About the post of Mia's first relationships when she was young, why was Will more mad at her for kissing a boy and not so mad at her for kissing a girl?😮 Is there a particular motive?
Definitely. This phenomenon where a father reacts strongly to his daughter’s romantic involvement with a man is a well-documented psychological dynamic, often tied to unconscious notions of possession, rivalry, and control.
For a father like Will, whose relationship with his daughter is already marked by enmeshment, blurred boundaries, and an undercurrent of possessiveness, her interest in men can trigger an unconscious sense of loss. Unlike with a woman, whom he does not view as a direct rival, another man represents a tangible shift in his daughter’s affections. It is a perceived replacement, a symbolic transfer of emotional and physical closeness that he, on some level, resents.
A father’s jealousy toward his daughter’s relationships with men often stems from subconscious territoriality. While he may or may not consciously see his daughter as “his” in a romantic sense, he has always been the dominant male figure in her life. The introduction of another man disrupts that dynamic, introducing an external force that can challenge his influence. This is why fathers who exhibit these reactions often show more possessiveness toward daughters than sons (sons do not “replace” them; they are seen as extensions of the father himself).
Also, there is a cultural and psychological bias at play. Many fathers view their daughters’ heterosexual relationships through a lens of protection, often mixed with control. A male partner represents not only a sexualized presence but also a potential emotional and psychological threat. In contrast, a female partner is often perceived as non-threatening, almost neutral, because it does not disrupt the father’s role in the same way.
Specifically in Will and Mia’s case:
His daughter sees herself for him, her identity is built around him, and he unconsciously placed her in a conflicting triad of roles: maiden, mother, wife. His jealousy at seeing her kiss a man suggests that, on some level, he sees male partners as rivals, competitors for her attention, devotion, and even emotional caretaking. The fact that he does not react the same way when she kisses a woman is because he does not perceive female relationships as a comparable threat. In his subconscious, only another man can “take her” from him.
This reaction is not rational, nor is it consciously malevolent, but it is deeply ingrained. It is an emotional response tied to Will’s own possessiveness, unresolved emotional dependencies, and the psychological framework that has defined his and his daughter’s relationship. It is not about morality, sexuality, or even logic…it is about a primal, almost territorial sense of loss.
What are some signs in canon that you think would make Will prone to outbursts of violence/anger or did you headcanon for hos character in RM?
I got inspired by canon, yes! I think Will with Mason Verger is a great example (it’s why in the fic he kills him). And of course the hallucinations where he pushes Abigail into antlers, and some others where he has those bursts.
I'm curious to hear your thoughts on trauma bonding and how it relates to the different characters in Hannibal? Abigails storyline in particular makes me so sad!
So a lot of people don’t know what actual trauma bonding is and confuse that with “bonding through trauma”. I’m unsure which one you mean, but I’ll talk about trauma bonding, which is when an individual bonds with their aggressor. This happens in relationships where affection and abuse (or neglect) alternate unpredictably. This creates a cycle of intermittent reinforcement, which is the same mechanism that makes gambling so addictive. When rewards (love, approval) are unpredictable, the brain clings to them even more.
Instead of recognizing the abuser as a source of pain, the victim sees them as a source of relief from pain…because the abuser is also the one who provides moments of comfort.
Trauma bonding is one of the show’s most pervasive psychological dynamics, shaping the relationships between characters but also the show’s exploration of power, control, and devotion. Hannibal, as a master manipulator, excels in forging trauma bonds with those around him, binding them to him through a calculated mix of protection, intimacy, and destruction. But, his approach varies depending on the person. While his trauma bonds with Bedelia and Abigail are deliberate and controlled, his relationship with Will is far more chaotic, mutual, and ultimately self-destructive.
With Bedelia and Abigail, Hannibal enacts a textbook trauma-bonding strategy. He ensures that both experience intense psychological distress while positioning himself as their protector, creating a cycle of dependency. He forces himself into their vulnerabilities and secrets.
Hannibal orchestrates these relationships meticulously, knowing exactly how to push his victims toward dependence. He makes himself indispensable to them, ensuring they feel both indebted and trapped, thus securing their loyalty.
With Will, the dynamic is different. While Hannibal undoubtedly trauma bonds Will to him, inflicting suffering, ensuring his emotional isolation, and making himself the only person who truly understands him, he does so in a way that spirals beyond his control. Unlike with Bedelia or Abigail, Hannibal does not want Will’s loyalty to stem from coercion or manipulation alone. He wants Will to choose him.
This is why Hannibal does not use the same explicit tactics on Will as he does with others. He does not force Will into submission in the way he does Abigail or Bedelia because, on some level, he respects Will as an equal. More importantly, he wants Will’s love, not just his devotion or fear. While Hannibal undoubtedly orchestrates much of Will’s suffering in the first season, their bond becomes something beyond Hannibal’s initial “design”.
Whereas Hannibal carefully crafts his trauma bonds with others, with Will, the bond is mutual, volatile, and unpredictable. They both become aggressors and victims, binding each other through pain, understanding, and a shared inability to let go. Hannibal’s methods of manipulation may have initiated the cycle, but by the end, Will is just as much a participant. The line between who is controlling whom blurs, making their relationship a perfect example of how trauma bonding can evolve into something neither party can entirely dominate.
For both Will and Hannibal, their bond is simultaneously soothing and destructive. They are each other’s greatest relief and deepest wound, unable to exist apart but suffering when together. Attachment persists even in the face of undeniable harm.
Will makes the same choice as Hannibal: to sacrifice everything for the bond they share. Even when he could have walked away, he chose to stay, to become an aggressor rather than sever the connection. This is what separates Will from Bedelia or Abigail: he was not simply manipulated into dependence; he reciprocated, ensuring the bond became a two-way tether neither could escape.
Abigail’s situation is more complex due to the gaps in our knowledge about her father’s relationship with her. However, if her bond with Garret Jacob Hobbs mirrored the one she developed with Hannibal, then she is perhaps the most textbook example of trauma bonding in the show. Her survival was dependent on submission, compliance, and the internalization of her captor’s worldview. This pattern repeated itself with Hannibal, reinforcing the idea that, for Abigail, safety and danger were inextricable.
I think it would be better answering asks about Mia's childhood with Will, and if also possible with Amara. Maybe it's just personal preference, but what if we have more specific questions about one topic written in a fic or in Rotten Meat?🤔
I don't know if it's just me, but when I don't find answers I tend to have the feeling of questioning all the time😭😂
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Of course haha! I’m always open to answer questions about them :)
What if Mia when she was younger used to take care of Will when he was sick, or when he had a mental crisis? Since there's not a mother/wife figure in the house, I feel like Mia just happend to help Will with almost everything.
(what if she would help him sleep at night, when he has a nightmare, like giving him kisses on the forehead and sweet words?🥺)
Mia definitely dances around the roles.
Will lay sprawled on the couch, his body damp with fever. The house was dim, the only sound the occasional gust of wind against the windows. Mia sat beside him, watching him. She dipped a cloth into a bowl of cool water and pressed it gently to his forehead.
“You always let it get this bad before you tell anyone,” she murmured.
Will stirred, his voice hoarse. “Didn’t want to—” he coughed, wincing— “bother you.”
Mia rolled her eyes but softened almost immediately. “You never bother me. Almost never.” She teased.
She adjusted the cloth, letting her fingers rest against his temple for a moment before pulling the old quilt higher around his shoulders. Will let out a slow breath, his body unclenching just slightly.
“You should sleep,” she said.
His eyelids fluttered, heavy with exhaustion. “Stay?” His voice was barely above a whisper.
Mia hesitated for only a second before curling up in the chair beside him, tucking one foot beneath her.
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Will jerked awake, gasping for air. His heart pounded against his ribs as he stared into the darkness of his bedroom. The dream was already slipping away, but the feeling lingered—something thick and suffocating in his chest.
Mia sat up beside him, her eyes squinting from sleep. “Another bad dream?” she asked quietly.
Will didn’t answer. He pressed his hands over his face, trying to steady his breathing. Mia sighed and leaned down and pressed a kiss on the top of his hand.
“It’s okay,” she whispered. “You’re home. You’re safe.”
Will exhaled, his muscles still tense but not as rigid. Mia shifted, stretching out beside him.
After a while, his body eased. The house settled into silence, and they both drifted into sleep.
Will's frustration when he mention about the times people would stare at Mia-😭 Imagine Mia going like "yeah so, that's my dad." to her friends/classmates, and Will is actually a handsome man in his own, so now they'll understand why Mia is such a pretty girl😂
You can't tell me Mia won't tease her father about her classmate saying he's handsome 🏃🏻♀️🙏🏻
Mia leans against the counter, idly twirling a strand of hair around her finger as she watches Will take his first sip of coffee. His usual grumpiness clings to him, but there’s always a sharpness beneath it, something alert, watchful.
“So,” she starts, voice light, teasing. “I think I might start walking home from school.”
Will doesn’t look up from his coffee. “No, you won’t.”
She ignores him. “It’s just getting unbearable, you know? Every day, the girls won’t shut up about you.”
That gets a reaction. His fingers tighten around the mug, but his expression stays neutral. “Mia.”
“I mean, honestly, they have no shame.” She lets out a dramatic sigh, tilting her head at him. “Do you know what Charlotte told me today?“ She makes a forced voice, "‘I think your dad is so hot. Like, unfairly hot. I would literally commit a crime just so he could put me in handcuffs.’”
Will finally looks up, jaw tensing. “Jesus Christ.”
Mia grins. “I told you…No shame. And then Emma goes, ‘Do you think he’d let me call him Daddy?’”
Will’s face twitches—something dark, unreadable flickering across it before he scoffs, shaking his head. “That’s disgusting.”
Mia just shrugs. “Well, if it makes you feel any better, I told them all you’re emotionally unavailable and impossible to live with.”
“I am emotionally unavailable and impossible to live with.”
“Yeah, but that probably made it worse, though. You know how girls are about the whole damaged and brooding thing.”
Will exhales sharply through his nose.
She leans in slightly. “And now they’re all begging to have a sleepover at our house. I think we might need to move away, change our names—”
“Enough,” he interrupts, but there’s something else in his voice now, something amused. He shakes his head, looking at her with that expression she knows too well—half exasperated, half entertained. “You’re enjoying this way too much.”
“I am enjoying it,” she admits. “Because it’s funny. And also because you’re not arguing about it.”
He raises an eyebrow. “About what?”
“That you’re hot.”
A slow, knowing smirk tugs at his lips. It’s brief, but she catches it. “Let them think I’m hot, so what?”
Mia gasps in mock offense. “Criminal—”
Will steps closer. His voice drops lower, quieter. “Maybe you should put me in handcuffs.”
The way he says it makes something curl in her stomach, warm and electric. Her breath hitches slightly, but she masks it with a roll of her eyes, forcing herself to scoff. “Shut the fuck up, get away.”
Will just smirks again, tilting his head as he studies her. “Don’t start games you’re too afraid to play, Mia.”
Mia huffs, grabbing an apple from the fruit bowl and biting into it just so she has something to do. “Whatever. Just know if one of my friends breaks into our house one night, it’s your fault.”
“I’ll be sure to lock the doors.”
Mia narrows her eyes at him but doesn’t push further.
Nope! Not too much, it was actually really fun to read!😭 love it when they tease each other, just to get out a reaction. I wonder how much Mia does it during the day and in which occasions
Will is an inherently conflicted man, struggling between his need for control and his inability to resist being drawn into chaotic emotional dynamics. His relationship with Mia is one of carefully maintained instability…he lets her push him, but only enough to keep himself in a position where he can push back harder.
Will thrives in ambiguity because it allows him to remain in control while appearing not to be. He never directly engages in emotional vulnerability but instead twists interactions into something that maintains his dominance. When Mia teases him, he never simply accepts the bait, he redirects it, reframes it, makes her question who’s really in control of the game.
This points to manipulative tendencies seen in individuals with high intelligence but attachment-related trauma. Will knows how to read people, but instead of using that knowledge for genuine connection, he uses it to stay one step ahead.
His reactions suggest a fear of emotional surrender. He keeps Mia close by playing the game, but never lets her feel like she’s actually affecting him, even when she is.
Will’s refusal to take Mia’s attractiveness or desirability seriously isn’t just paternal dismissal, it’s a form of psychological denial. He downplays it because acknowledging it would mean confronting emotions he refuses to face.
When he scoffs at her insecurities, for example, it isn’t just frustration; it’s deflection. He is aware of how others perceive her, and it affects him, but his refusal to validate it is an attempt to suppress the part of him that is affected.
His possessiveness, though masked in protective instincts, stems from the blurring of roles between father, protector, and something more subconscious. He isn’t just protective of Mia in a traditional fatherly sense, he is also territorial about her attention, ensuring she remains emotionally anchored to him.
The Oedipal dynamic emerges in the way he negotiates her desirability rather than outright rejecting the idea of it, he teases, redirects, manipulates, but never truly forbids. There is no firm line drawn because part of him enjoys the tension, even if it’s unspoken.
He was never properly parented himself, leaving him without a model for healthy father-daughter attachment. Instead, he relates to Mia in a way that feels familiar: through a mix of control, unpredictability, and emotional push-and-pull.
His identity is fractured—between the caring father figure he consciously wants to be and the darker, more possessive instincts he doesn’t want to acknowledge.
Mia, on the other hand, is equally as entangled in this dynamic. Her provocations are not just about playful teasing, they serve as a psychological test to confirm her place in Will’s world.
Mia constantly teases and provokes Will not because she wants to fight him, but because she needs to feel his reaction.
If Will engages with her, it reassures her that she has power over him. If he ignores her, it creates a sense of instability, so she pushes harder.
Her identity is tied to how much she can affect others, especially Will. The more she gets a reaction, the more secure she feels in her importance to him.
Just as Will wants to keep Mia emotionally tethered to him, Mia wants to ensure Will is hers.
When she sees her friends or others paying attention to him, it triggers jealousy and territoriality.
She has been raised in an environment where her emotional role in Will’s life is primary. There is no mother figure, no wife, she is the most important female presence, and she clings to that.
When she provokes him about other women noticing him, it isn’t just teasing, it’s a challenge. She wants to remind him that he belongs to her in the way she understands belonging.
Mia struggles with clear boundaries, not just in relationships but in self-perception.
She needs Will to recognize her presence, to see her, react to her, confirm her.
This leads to this excessive testing of limits, as seen in children who have unstable attachment with their primary caregivers. They create tension to ensure the connection remains active.
Their dynamic is self-sustaining because both Will and Mia feed into each other’s insecurities.
Will is manipulative, but he is also trapped. Mia is controlling, but she is also desperate. They are both aware of the dynamic but refuse to change it, because despite its toxicity, it provides something they both crave: certainty.
hii!! i’ve been seeing posts about Rotten Meat come up on my dash and i’m really excited to read the whole thing on ao3!! before i start, i was just wondering if Will is Mia’s dad in a literal biological way or a kinky way or a both way? sorry if this has already been answered or clarified!! hope you’re having a lovely day :D!!
Hello! Haha Will’s Mia’s biological father, he raised her by himself. The rest I think it’s better you answer for yourself by reading the fic hahaha 🤫.
Hello! I got my friend to watch Hannibal with me. They commented that they were uncomfortable because they felt that the show pushed the notion that people with mental health issues are dangerous. I was wondering if you would like to discuss how mental health is handled in the show?
Criticism of media portrayals of mental illness comes from a misunderstanding of what representation actually means. When a TV show or film depicts a character with mental health issues as dangerous, it is not making a blanket statement that all mentally ill people are dangerous…it is simply exploring a real aspect of human psychology. While it is true that the majority of individuals with mental illnesses are not violent, it is also true that a significant number of violent crimes have been committed by individuals with untreated or severe mental disorders. To deny this reality is to ignore a crucial and often tragic aspect of mental health discourse.
The argument that showing mentally ill characters as dangerous reinforces stigma assumes that the media is creating this association out of nowhere. However, violent or erratic behavior caused by certain mental conditions is not a fictional construct, it is a well-documented reality. Disorders like schizophrenia with psychosis, untreated bipolar disorder in manic states, severe personality disorders, and dissociative disorders with aggressive alters have, in specific cases, contributed to acts of violence. This does not mean that every person with these disorders is violent, but it also does not mean that depicting the real cases where mental illness plays a role in crime is inherently harmful.
Is your friend also criticizing all shows who depict something negative?!
If a show portrays a serial killer with psychotic delusions, it is not saying that all people with psychosis are killers, it is portraying one possible outcome in an extreme case. Just as a show might depict a corrupt cop without implying that all cops are corrupt, or an abusive parent without implying that all parents are abusive, mental illness as a narrative element should not be seen as an accusation against every person who suffers from one.
Stigma does not come from representation, it comes from a lack of nuance in understanding that representation that your friend is a part of. A person who watches one depiction of a mentally ill criminal and assumes all mentally ill people are criminals is someone who already lacks critical thinking. The responsibility for that ignorance does not lie with the show: it lies with the individual who refuses to differentiate between fiction and general reality.
In fact, suppressing certain depictions of mental illness in media may actually do more harm than good. If stories only show mentally ill people as victims, misunderstood heroes, or entirely harmless individuals, it creates an incomplete and dishonest portrayal of reality. Some people do suffer from extreme cases of mental illness that lead to dangerous behavior, and pretending otherwise does a disservice to both mental health discourse and public safety.
It is not the job of media to sanitize reality to make people comfortable, it is the job of viewers to engage with media critically. A nuanced show does not simply present a mentally ill villain, it explores the complexities of their condition, the factors that led them there, and the impact of their actions. The presence of a dangerous mentally ill character in a story does not mean the work itself is stigmatizing, it is the way the audience interprets it that determines whether stigma is reinforced.
The stigma is perpetuated by those who refuse to think beyond surface-level portrayals. A well-written show that presents a mentally ill character who commits violence is not spreading misinformation, it is depicting one real possibility among many. The danger lies not in acknowledging that some mentally ill individuals can be dangerous, but in allowing ignorance to dictate how we interpret these portrayals.
I now headcanon Mia putting any kind of outfits and then asks Will what he thinks of them just to get a reaction from him🤔
Mia stepped into the living room, arms stretched out as if presenting herself on a stage. “Okay, what about this one?” She twirled in place, letting the short black dress she’d pulled from the depths of her closet flare slightly around her thighs. “Be honest.”
Will barely glanced up from where he was sitting, one hand absently rubbing at his jaw. “Too much.”
“Too much what?” She planted a hand on her hip.
He gave a dry, unimpressed look. “Too much you thinking you can walk out of this house wearing that.”
Mia groaned, spinning on her heel to disappear back into her room. A minute later, she was back, now in a fitted red dress, the kind that hugged every curve. She leaned against the doorframe with a slow smile, watching his reaction.
Will inhaled through his nose and exhaled slowly. “You look like trouble.”
“That’s not an answer.”
She clicked her tongue and turned away again.
The next outfit was a top and a short skirt. She came out with a faux-innocent look. “This better?”
Will scoffed. “Now you just look like you’re trying to piss me off.”
Mia grinned. “I’m just showing you what I got. Why do you care so much?”
He rubbed a hand down his face. “I care that you don’t get ideas. Or worse, give other people ideas.”
She tilted her head, enjoying the way his fingers tensed against his knee. “Daddy,” she sighed theatrically, “if you’re so worried about what people might think, maybe you should stop looking at me like that.”
A long, suffocating silence stretched between them. Will’s jaw locked, but Mia could see the way his throat worked as he swallowed, how his fingers flexed like he was resisting the urge to grip something—anything.
Then he let out a slow breath, shaking his head. “Go change, Mia.”
She lingered just a little longer, watching him.
Finally, she sighed dramatically and turned back toward her room. “Fine. But you’re exhausting, you know that?”
His voice followed her as she walked away. “Right back at you, kid.”
Ok but what about Mia costantly cuddling her dad? Like caressing his hair, a pat on the shoulders and hugs or kisses on the cheek?🥺 okay I'll just shut now...
She had always been like this. Soft, affectionate, without hesitation. As a child, she had climbed into his lap, pressed her cheek against his shoulder, wound her fingers into the loose threads of his shirts. And she hadn’t outgrown it. Not at ten, not at fifteen, not now.
Will barely looked up from his book when she settled against him, her body fitting into his side like it belonged there. Her arms slipped around his waist, her cheek resting just under his collarbone. She smelled faintly of shampoo, something light and sweet, something that still lingered on his sweaters after she stole them.
He sighed, flipping a page. Mia. A protest in name only.
She hummed, unfazed, fingers tracing absent circles against his ribs. She always did this—idly, without thought, as if some part of her needed the physical reassurance of his presence. And maybe it did.
Will lifted his arm to accommodate her, and she took it as invitation, curling closer, her breath warm against his throat. When he moved, just slightly, her hold tightened, the way it had when she was small, when she thought loosening her grip meant being pulled away.
He let his hand settle in her hair, combing through the strands slowly, the way she liked. She made another small sound, pleased, nuzzling into his chest.
Will exhaled, letting the book slip shut. She was warm, so terribly warm, and her fingers had stilled against his ribs, a slow, steady weight against him.
When did Mia and Will's relationship start to shift into something more tense and complicated?
It was the summer the world took her from him, and in her absence, something in him soured, or perhaps ripened…who is to say which is the more dangerous evolution? Three months, an eternity stretched taut and thin like sinew over bone, three months of a house emptied of her voice, and presence. They had demanded it, the faceless bureaucrats, the men and women who pried into matters beyond their understanding. She must socialize, they said. She must be among others her own age, learn their rites, their banal little games. And so, under the blade of legal consequence, he surrendered her to the world.
And she did not return as she had left.
She stepped back into the house, with the same limbs, the same hands, the same face, and yet there was something minutely altered, like a painting restored with new, harsher pigments. The sun had touched her skin in his absence, bronzed her like a relic pulled from the earth, her hair lightened, her gaze deepened.
Something had grown in the dark soil of distance, something restless, gnawing, unspeakable. He had raised her for years with an arm draped in velvet but a grip of steel, shaping her world to orbit him alone, filling the silence of their home with his voice so that she had no need to listen for others. But they had taken her away, forced her into the company of girls who laughed in ways he could not control, of boys whose eyes lingered in ways he had not sanctioned.
And his Mia had returned with a knowledge that had not been there before, some glint in her eye that was not learned from him. He watched her for signs of what had been stolen, for what had been given in return. And she, sharp as she had always been, knew it. Knew he was looking. Knew he had been wounded by absence. And she wielded that knowledge like a blade, pressing just to see if he would bleed.
She did not have to run to make him chase her; she only had to lean just slightly out of reach. And he, fool that he was, let her pull him deeper into the dark.
ohh my, I wonder what’s the most uncomfortable moment they’ve ever had together? and does Mia ever test Will in front of other people, or is it something private?
It was the kind of night that invited indulgence, that slurred time into something thick and honeyed. The bar was dim, the amber light pooling in glasses, the low murmur of voices punctuated by the occasional burst of laughter. Mia, draped over the back of his chair, her chin on his shoulder, fingers idly toying with the collar of his shirt. And Will, weary, indulgent, letting her exist in his space as she always had.
A stranger, faceless in the recollection, reeking of whiskey and cheap bravado, clapped Will on the back, grinning with the familiarity of drunks. “Lucky bastard,” he slurred. “Snatched up a damn nymph, didn’t you?”
It was as if the world shifted, tilted, and Will was suddenly seeing himself through someone else’s eyes. Not as a guardian, not as a man whose hands had spent years pulling her out of nightmares and wiping her tears, but as him, the stranger, the lecher. The weight of her against his back, the way she curled around him, it was nothing new. It was familiar, comfortable. But suddenly, it was wrong. And the worst part, the most unbearable part, was the question that struck him like a knife between the ribs:
Did she see him like that too?
His stomach churned, nausea creeping up his throat. He wanted to peel her off of him, to shake off the sickly film of implication that coated his skin. But when he turned to her, she was already watching him, head tilted, that unreadable little smile playing on her lips.
And he, coward that he was, said nothing.
Mia’s most uncomfortable moment probably came in their home, in the thick, suffocating heat of a night. There was this sudden warmth seeping through cotton, the acrid scent already filling the room. A moment of disbelief, then horror, her body betraying her, reducing her to something helpless, infantile.
She sat frozen in the dark, throat closing up, humiliation burning her cheeks.
She looked like she wanted to disappear, to fold into herself like paper. Instead, she clenched her jaw, fists gripping the sheets as she spat, “Don’t. Don’t say anything.”
But Will, of course, didn’t. He simply leaned in, dropping a kiss on her forehead with the slow patience of a man approaching something skittish. He did not wince at the scent, or said anything other than “this is normal, it can happen”.
About testing: Mia had always been a little monster. A beautiful one, a clever one, but a monster nonetheless. She understood things before she should have, learned how to wield them before she had any business doing so.
She knew her friends watched him, whispered about him behind cupped hands, giggled when he passed by. He’s so hot. Your dad is so hot. She would roll her eyes, scoff, play at being annoyed. But then she would perform.
Drinking from his glass just to watch their eyes widen, their glances flicker between them. Sitting too close, draping herself over him, all casual, all innocent. A hand on his arm, a playful tug at his sleeve, a whine curling in her voice when she called his name. And Will, who knew, who always knew, would stiffen—just slightly, just enough for her to feel it.
She had the power to make them jealous, to make them envious. And she wielded it with a wicked little grin, with the knowledge that she could push, and push, and push—
loooving all of this 🙊 do you think other father-daughter relationships in their social circle like mia's friends, highlight how different theirs is?
There are definitely moments, small, glistening things, that cast their world into stark relief against the lives of others. Instances where the mirror shifts and he sees, with unnerving clarity, just how different they are.
In a clinic once. The air is thick with antiseptic, with the low hum of nervous chatter and the occasional rustle of magazine pages. Mia sits beside him, languid, twirling a strand of hair around her finger. Around them, the room is a constellation of girls and their mothers with clipped voices, with reassuring touches, with the easy rhythm of women accustomed to these visits.
Will is the only man.
A woman, polished, blonde, the sort who smiles with all her teeth, leans forward, her eyes crinkling at the edges. “It’s nice to see a father here,” she says, her voice dipped in something too warm, too pleased.
Will shifts. Shrugs. “There was no other option. I’m a single dad.”
That should be the end of it. But it isn’t.
The woman’s laughter is airy, weightless. She tucks a curl behind her ear. “That’s wonderful. Not many men would—”
Across from them, a girl scoffs, arms folded, expression twisted in something between disbelief and distaste. “I wouldn’t want my dad here anyway. That’s so creepy.”
Mia tilts her head, appraising the girl with an expression too sharp for a place like this. “If you’re afraid of your own dad seeing your body but not a random male doctor, I think you should call the cops.”
The girl blanches, her mother gasps, and Will feels the weight of a dozen eyes flicker toward them. He exhales, slow, measured, and mutters, “Mia.”
She shrugs. Unbothered. Unapologetic. She was right.
—
Another waiting room, another stark display of difference. This time, it is Will who is unwell, a sluggish weight pressing against his ribs, exhaustion coiled deep in his bones. And Mia who should have been sighing, watching the television they had there, or looking pointedly at the clock like the other teenagers around them, is not.
Instead, she is pressed against him, curled in close like she belongs there, her fingers brushing against his wrist, tracing absentminded shapes against his skin.
She watches him. Not the television in the corner, not the nurses flitting back and forth, but him.
“You’re pale,” she says, and before he can deflect, she’s tucking a strand of his hair behind his ear, her brows knitting together in a way that makes his chest tighten.
Around them, fathers sit beside their children, silent, separate. Some of the girls glance up from their phones with vague disinterest before turning away again, while others tap their feet, sigh, check the time. An obligation. A duty.
And then there is Mia.
Leaning into him. Watching him. Worrying.
And he wonders, how many of these men have daughters who would look at them like this? Like something fragile, something precious?
What’s an example of a time Mia tested Will just to see how he’d react?
Has Will ever gone too far in one of their interactions and regretted it?
How does Mia react when Will tries to assert control over her in a more traditional parental way?
Does Mia ever fear Will, or does she feel completely safe with him no matter what?
It is welcomed!
1- It was summer when she did it. The sky was a bruised shade of violet, cicadas humming, the heat still clinging stubbornly to the air. Will had been inside, waiting, watching through the half-open blinds. And there she was Mia, his Mia, on the front porch, with some nameless boy, some pretty-limbed idiot who had no idea what he was walking into.
She kissed him. A lazy thing, effortless, as if she were offering nothing more than a passing thought. But Will knew better. He saw the way her fingers twisted in the fabric of the boy’s shirt, the way she angled her head, not toward the boy, but toward the window.
For him.
And something ugly, something ancient and terrible, ignited inside him.
He didn’t remember opening the door. Didn’t remember crossing the space between them. But suddenly, he was there, and suddenly, the boy wasn’t. He had stumbled back, some mixture of confusion and nerves flashing across his face, and Mia, standing perfectly still, that lazy little smirk playing at her lips, just watched.
She was waiting.
And it got ugly.
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2- The regret comes like a shadow, slinking in the spaces between breath and bone.
He always regrets it.
It stains him. She stains him. A burden, a sickness, a beautiful, untouchable curse. He carries it for her. For the way the world would sink its claws into her, rip her apart if he let it.
It is his sacrifice.
And it burns.
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3- She knows when to obey. It is an art, the way she slips back into place, the way she tilts her head, widens her eyes, plays the role she was made to play. His good girl.
But only when he forces it. Only when he grips her chin, when his voice drops into something hard and unrelenting. Then, and only then, does she listen.
But she is not afraid.
Not really. How could she be?
There are moments, fleeting, where she looks afraid, her breath caught in her throat, her fingers twisting against the hem of her dress. Moments where something inside her flickers, like a deer watching the flash of a hunter’s knife.
Curious how would Molly be if she existed in this dynamic where Will had a daughter 🤔
Mia would beg Will to leave her the wolf trap house. He would say no. She’d ask him to sell it and buy her a smaller place. He’d say no. Him and Molly are selling their houses and getting one together. Mia ends up having to live with them. Molly thinks she’s too old for that (she’d be twenty in this context), but knows Will isn’t going to accept it. Wally is infatuated by her, Will is resentful but mostly pretends to ignore. Stiff still happens under Molly’s roof. She’s unaware because she has a bias. Thinks she’s spoiled. Is a typical boy-mom. They do not get along, but Molly tries. Mia sabotages everything she can. It’s tough.
It's so refreshing to see a darker story that actually depicts all sides and isn't just indulgence, thank you for providing this.
I understand what you mean. A lot of these fics that deal with triggering topics can seem like a sort of exploitation, without much purpose besides shocking. The point with Rotten is to actually elevate pain into a place where it can be dealt with in a pleasurable manner as well as actually providing a voice for victims, even if indirect or through nuances of the narrative.
Apparently the Hannibal fandom is very into noncon/dubcon. Should we psychoanalyze it?
There is something about the dissolution of boundaries that fascinates the human psyche, an allure in the moment where resistance melts into inevitability, where the self is overtaken, undone, and remade by another. Noncon and dubious consent (dubcon) as a kink linger in this space, where fear and desire press against each other like two sides of the same coin. It is not the act itself that draws people in, but what it represents: the loss of control without consequence, the forced intimacy that dissolves distance, the transformation of self through the will of another.
In the Hannibal fandom, this dynamic is not just subtext, it is the very foundation of the relationship between Hannibal and Will. A hunter shaping his prey into something that loves him back, a man resisting even as his body and mind betray him. The tension between captivity and surrender, between manipulation and longing, between the illusion of choice and the inevitability of fate, this is the raw material of dubcon fiction. It is a game of thresholds, where hesitation is drawn out, prolonged, savored. The moment before giving in is always the sweetest.
Why do people seek this out in fiction? Because here, in the safety of words, power can be played with, danger can be danced around without real consequence. Fictional noncon is not about harm but about the seduction of inevitability, the fantasy of being wanted beyond reason, beyond morality, beyond resistance. It is about being seen so deeply that refusal is not an option, about desire so overwhelming it consumes choice itself.
And in Hannibal, the noncon fantasy is dressed in silk and served on fine china. Hannibal takes, but he takes with devotion. He molds, but he molds with love. There is horror, yes, but there is also an undeniable allure in the idea of being chosen, claimed, possessed completely. To some, this is terrifying. To others, it is intoxicating. And in fiction, it is a space to explore the edges of control and surrender, to touch the flame without being burned.
At its core, the appeal of noncon and dubcon as kinks lies in the paradox of surrender, of being overtaken yet, paradoxically, freed. It is not about the act itself, but about the dissolution of self-control, the unraveling of resistance, and the transformation that follows. It is about the moment when struggle ceases, when choice is no longer a burden, when submission is the only path forward. This taps into deep psychological and existential desires: the longing to be overpowered by something greater, the relief of having agency stripped away, the yearning to be reshaped by another’s will.
Unlike a rape kink, which often focuses on the explicit violence and violation of will, noncon and dubcon fantasies in fiction tend to revolve around the emotional and psychological aspects of surrender. The pleasure is not in the act of force itself but in the overwhelming inevitability of being wanted, of being claimed beyond reason or morality. It is about control being taken away, but in a way that absolves the self of responsibility, there was no decision to be made, no guilt to bear, only the tide that sweeps one under.
Psychologically, this can be linked to several things. For some, it is an escape from the weight of choice. In a world that demands autonomy, and constant self-governance, there is something intoxicating about the idea of not choosing, about being made to accept what is given, about surrendering to something stronger, more knowing. For others, it is about the deep-rooted fantasy of being seen completely and desired to the point of destruction, of being so wanted that resistance is futile, so needed that refusal does not matter.
Hannibal does not take, he transforms. His form of noncon is an act of creation, a molding of his subject into something worthy of him. This is a fantasy of annihilation and rebirth, of being made into what one is meant to be. Will does not consent to the process of becoming Hannibal’s, but he is powerless to stop it. And somewhere in that helplessness, in that inevitability, there is desire.
This is the key to why noncon and dubcon hold such a psychological grip in fiction: they offer a world where the burden of choice is lifted, where desire is forced into existence, where surrender is both terror and release. The appeal is not in violation but in transformation, in the slow erosion of the self as it is overtaken by something darker, deeper, more consuming. It is not about harm; it is about becoming.
How would the rotten dads react to the girls being drunk? 🐰
Will knew she was drunk before she even opened her mouth. The way she stumbled through the door, her coat sliding off her shoulders, the lazy, lopsided grin—dead giveaway.
He sighed, locking the door behind her. “Mia.”
She turned, looking at him like she was seeing him for the first time. “Daddy,” she drawled, pointing a finger at him with great importance. “You’re very… here.”
Will ran a hand down his face. “Yeah. You, on the other hand—”
Mia took two unsteady steps forward and collapsed against his chest. He barely reacted, just let her weight settle, arms loosely wrapping around her out of habit.
“Mm,” she sighed. “You feel nice.”
“You reek.”
She hummed, utterly unconcerned, pressing her face against his shoulder. “S’fine.”
“It’s not fine,” Will muttered. “You need a shower.”
Mia groaned dramatically, letting herself go limp. He caught her easily.
“Nooo,” she whined, pressing a hand against his chest like she could physically push the idea away. “Too much effort.”
Will rolled his eyes. “C’mon.”
She didn’t fight when he led her to the bathroom, just stood there, swaying slightly as he reached for the shower knobs.
“Can you—?”
Mia, already halfway undressed, raised an eyebrow at him. “Will.”
He sighed again, pinching the bridge of his nose. “Forget I asked.”
Mia grinned. “You’re such a prude.”
“Just get in the damn shower.”
She did, eventually. Will sat on the closed toilet lid, arms crossed, waiting. When she finished, he towel-dried her and threw one of his old t-shirts at her and helped her into bed.
She curled up immediately, grabbing his wrist before he could pull away.
“Where you going?” she mumbled into the pillow.
Will just huffed, pulling the blanket over her. “Sleep.”
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Hannibal was waiting when Amara arrived, the quiet disapproval barely visible in the crease of his brow, the slight tilt of his head.
She wobbled inside, attempting to appear composed and failing spectacularly.
Hannibal didn’t comment, merely stepped forward and caught her arm before she could sway too far.
“You’ve had quite the evening,” he observed.
She huffed a small laugh, resting her forehead against his shoulder. “Don’t be mad.”
“I’m not mad,” he assured, brushing a damp strand of hair from her face. “Though I do wonder what led you to believe drinking yourself into near-collapse was a wise decision.”
Amara groaned. “Not a lecture.”
Hannibal said nothing, merely guided her toward the bathroom with gentle insistence.
She leaned against the sink as he turned on the shower, testing the water.
“Can you manage?”
Amara, now pressing her face into his shoulder again, made a vague noise of agreement.
Hannibal smiled, steadying her. “I’ll take that as a yes.”
By the time she emerged, warm and drowsy, he was waiting with a robe. She let him wrap it around her, let him steer her toward bed with quiet efficiency.
As she curled up beneath the covers, she mumbled, “Sorry, daddy.”
Hannibal smoothed her damp hair back. “Rest.”
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Francis hadn’t expected the call. Hadn’t expected to have to drive out and pick her up, weaving through the night streets with a tension in his chest he couldn’t quite place.
By the time he arrived, Savannah was barely upright, mumbling something to herself as she squinted at the passing headlights.
Francis sighed, running a hand down his face before stepping forward. “Let’s go.”
She blinked at him, then grinned. “Dad.”
“Yes,” he muttered, carefully looping an arm around her waist.
The drive home was quiet, Savannah swaying slightly in her seat, humming some tune under her breath.
“You’re mad,” she finally said.
Francis exhaled. “Not mad.”
She turned, looking at him with exaggerated seriousness. “You look mad.”
He glanced at her. “You scared me.”
That seemed to quiet her.
By the time they reached home, she was practically asleep against the window. He hesitated before touching her shoulder.
“Come on.”
She groaned but let him help her inside. When he murmured something about a shower, she sighed dramatically but didn’t argue.
Francis stood outside the bathroom, listening for any signs of trouble. When she finally emerged, wrapped in an oversized sweater, he just shook his head and guided her to bed.
Before he could step away, she grabbed his sleeve.
Rotten trio falls asleep in a car ride, what's the vibes for each dad? (obsessed with the oneshots btw)
the drive home was quiet, the soft hum of the engine blending with the low murmur of the radio. Will glanced sideways and saw Mia curled up in the passenger seat, legs tucked beneath her, head pressed against the window. Asleep.
Will exhaled through his nose. He kept his hands steady on the wheel, careful with every turn, every stop. The road stretched ahead in the dim glow of the streetlights, and for once, the silence didn’t feel empty.
When they pulled into the driveway, he cut the engine and sat there for a moment. Mia didn’t stir.
Will sighed. He leaned over, hesitating just a second before brushing a few strands of hair from her face. Her breath was slow, deep, mouth slightly parted.
“Come on,” he muttered, undoing her seatbelt. She made a quiet, content sound but didn’t wake.
Will got out, moving to her side. He opened the door and crouched down, resting a hand on her arm. “Mia.”
She grumbled something unintelligible and buried her face deeper into her arm.
Will huffed a quiet laugh. “Alright.”
Carefully, he slid his arms beneath her, lifting her with ease. She mumbled again, curling instinctively toward his warmth, her forehead pressing into his shoulder.
Will carried her inside, his grip firm but gentle. By the time he laid her down in bed, she was already half-awake, blinking drowsily.
“You could’ve just left me,” she muttered, voice thick with sleep.
Will pulled the blanket over her, ignoring that. “Go back to sleep.”
Mia hummed, already drifting again.
Will watched her for a moment longer before turning off the light.
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Amara, always sharp, always watching, had grown quiet beside him in the car, answering in low hums and slow nods. He had known even before glancing over—before seeing the way her head lolled slightly with the movement of the car, eyes half-lidded, lost in that weightless space between wakefulness and sleep.
By the time they reached home, she was completely gone.
Hannibal parked with smooth precision, then turned to her, taking in the softened lines of her face, the slow rise and fall of her breath.
There was no need to wake her—not yet.
Instead, he reached over, adjusting the scarf around her neck, smoothing down the edge of her coat. His fingers brushed lightly over her wrist, checking the steady, slow rhythm of her pulse.
She shifted slightly at the touch, a barely-there murmur slipping from her lips, but did not wake.
Hannibal allowed himself a small, private smile.
Then, with the same quiet care, he unbuckled her seatbelt and, without disturbing her further, lifted her effortlessly into his arms.
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He had noticed the way Savannah’s words had grown slower, her voice softer. He had seen her head dip forward once, twice, before finally resting against the window, arms tucked close to herself.
He didn’t say anything. Just kept driving, careful with the turns, slowing at every bump.
When they arrived, he hesitated.
He could wake her. She would grumble, probably swat him away, drag herself out of the car half-asleep.
Instead, he reached over, nudging her shoulder lightly. “Savannah.”
A small, muffled noise. She shifted, but didn’t wake.
Francis sighed. He reached for the blanket in the backseat, draping it over her.
Then he leaned back in his seat, settling in for a while longer, watching the steady rise and fall of her breath in the quiet of the car.
💐Going back when the girls were little girls, what if they were classmate? And they would play and talk together whenever they see each other?
In some AU where they were classmates (cause let’s be honest, Amara is in a very expensive private school and Mia and Sav are not), they would not been friends at all, considering their personalities. Mia is the pretty but weird girl who the popular girls hate, because she gets attention, but she doesn’t really act on that attention, she’s usually alone or with one other girl or two. Amara is the textbook popular girl, Blair Waldorf vibes, and Sav is the alt weird girl everyone thinks is weird and is always alone in some corner with a sketchbook.
I can just imagine Mia blasting Eminem's songs at home and casually rapping along to the lyrics of "Rap God" or "Godzilla" without being left behind the fast pace of it (really impressive) just to annoy Will lol. There are probably lots of curse words in some of those songs. Maybe something vulgar like "Love me" by Lil Wayne -🦋
Hahaha, I don’t know if Mia listens to that, I think she’s a niche girl, specially growing up being homeschooled and mostly alone with Will, I think she listens to southern gothic music, or some variation of that. But that’s so funny!
I'm thinking about Mia needing to see an obg for the uti, my poor baby how is she going to do that without Will being involved? :(
Yeah. The first time she had to go, which I wrote about, was already stressful. The doctor kept trying to get Will to leave so he could talk to Mia alone. Will did end up leaving the room, it was a little chaotic because Mia ended up crying from fear of saying something wrong, and yeah. Let’s just say she never wanted to go back. But unfortunately around nineteen, she had to. That happened a little before where we pick up in Rotten Meat. He was stressed, she went on her own, he nearly passed out from anxiety until she got back, then he questioned her, or better yet, he took the bag she was carrying from the drugstore and took a look at what she bought. It was tense, but mostly silent this time.
The kind of love that blots out the sun, that hushes the noise of the world until there is only them. A love so all-consuming it ceases to be love in the soft, mortal sense and becomes a sickness, a fever, a religion.
This is the love that fandoms return to again and again, that they etch into timeworn stories, endless iterations of two souls drawn together not by choice but by fate, or something crueller. The love that does not leave room for worry, errands or bills or the dull weight of daily existence. The love that, in its overwhelming totality, is an escape, from the world, from the self, from the unbearable burden of being.
To be relieved of individuality, to dissolve into someone else’s gravity until there is no “I,” only us, only this. It is annihilation disguised as devotion. It is salvation with teeth. It is the reason we write and rewrite the same stories, analysis, metas, essays, musings, this post right here, not because we want to see love, but because we want to feel it take over, to remember, for a moment, what it is to forget everything else.
Overwhelming love, take me. Wash me clean of the dull edges of reality. Make me disappear into the blissful darkness of you.
Hii Milk!! Wanted to ask which one of the RM girls is more likely going to commit murder and why?🤔
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All if them haha! Amara is used to it, murder is but another thing she sometimes must engage with. Mia is ruthless and unstable, she does what she has to, and if that’s murder then so be it. Savannah is Francis’ child, those “terrible genes” are there haha.
What if Will have been drinking too much, how will Mia react?🌷
Depends on what kind of drunk Will is that night. If he’s angry and mean she’ll lock the door and stay inside her bedroom. He can’t open it when he’s drunk, and he’s rough when he’s that way. Better to leave him be. If he’s sad then she’ll hoover, but she learned early that pity corrodes him. So she doesn’t speak softly. Doesn’t ask him if he’s okay. Drunk Will is one hell of a night.
Will Graham as an agressor is something most people aren't exploring a lot in fiction and it's so clear it wasn't explored in canon simply due to television restrictions which they were already crossing the limits, hemce cancelation. Since it won't be explicit in your fic Rotten Meat, do you mind answering about the daughter's SA and from what I gathered Will is the aggressor, right? Curious to know how it started and how this happens, if it stopped or what made it happen? Not asking for details on the act just the context around it.
I don’t mind, I’ll put it under this little read more safety bar haha. TW:
Will does not allow himself to perceive an aggression. He raised Mia in such a way that he will always remain the victim, and her, the temptress, the sacrifice. That’s textbook abuser.
He twists reality so that he feels obligated to express his affection for her in such a way, otherwise “she will leave, she will look for it elsewhere and get hurt, she will distance herself from him”.
He encouraged and reinforced the oedipus stage of her development and lingered on it instead of offering healthy boundaries. He placed her in many roles, including the role of spouse, but in a way that mixes spouse/child/mother, not in a way that has a clear distinction and switch from each.
He has DiD in this fic so he switches for the act, and switches back after awhile to compartmentalize the shock and trauma.
It technically started early on with a lack of boundaries regarding the physical body. Then around six with secondhand assault of hearing and witnesses Will with other people. Then at thirteen with subtleties and things that could be passable as harmless intimacy and grew into wandering hands, bodies pressed into one another in ways that shouldn’t be. She didn’t see it as anything other than affection.
And because of having seen Will dating, she grew a fear of abandonment, planted into her head by an older friend who told her she would be “replaced by a woman who could meet all of his needs”. She also told Mia that “those disgusting boys will never care about you like your dad does”. Things that began like little leafs and turned into full blown ivy in the depths of her mind and heart.
At sixteen was the first time it became something she couldn’t turn away from. It latched itself onto her in a way that a line crossed that erased all trsces of any lingering limitations.
It was fine, she’d say. I liked it, she’d say. He’s all mine now, she’d say. Ignoring the strange burn in her womb, the way it felt like someone had opened a drawer inside her body and left it messy. He cried, drank, went away, locked himself in his room for days. “Stay away from me, how could you do this to me, look what you made of me?”. Then he’d come back, ask her if she’s okay, she’d say yes. At first it was messy like this, a cycle. Then it just became…Normal. That’s just “how they were”. He was the poor victim, trying so hard to resist, but she was the Devil. “Why are you so wet, why are you like this, you’re evil”, he’d chant. To her it was just…Claiming. Keeping him. Love in a strange way. Desire. That’s what held her on that. She felt so desired, so wanted. He wants me so much he sacrifices his integrity for me.
I wanted it to be realistic. That’s how the story goes for countless girls.
Got curious at the post you were talking about Mia when she was 13, if you want to, can you tell us more about how was living with Will in that age?🍄
Bellow the milk lies dangers (they’re just triggering themes haha but you were warned!)
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Living with Will when Mia was thirteen was different than before. She had spent three months in a summer camp, nearly obligated by law, otherwise Will could lose his guardianship (due to accusations of keeping her from socializing). There, she learned that her father wasn’t the beginning nor the end of the world. She met boys, she met girls. The universe began to open for little Mia, and she wanted to taste it. She was naturally drawn to the counselor, an older man who kept the camp in order. He stayed mostly in his cabin, but Mia liked him better than the rest of the kids. She made some friends, though. Learned how fun it was to whisper things to girls in the middle of the night, and that the darkness wasn’t only made of secondhand nightmares and silence. But she missed him. She missed the constant weight of him.
Everything changed that summer, she stopped being a child. Or he stopped treating her like one. Maybe because she grew out of her clothes, because her tongue was sharper and her body was different. She doesn’t know. Doesn’t matter. “You even smell different”, he told her the day she came back.
He kept asking, relentlessly, about everything she did, everything that happened. She told him, was used to doing so. Up until that point, that is. She told him about Ryan, the counselor. “Why? What about him made him so interesting?” he asked. She shrugged, thinking but not saying that she wished Ryan would’ve slept next to her, because he reminded her of Will.
He had to put her in school that year, just for two days of the week, in the beginning. He was furious, had been since that summer. He was sure it was a neighbor who’d done it. Called someone and had them snoop around in their life. Vanessa, the woman was. She was a social worker. Met Will and Mia on the park one time, then other times around the neighborhood. Would always try to struck up conversations. Looked at Mia with a concerned look on her face. Will was sure she was the one who got the hounds after them. “But why?” she asked, “because men do bad things to girls when they’re left alone with them.”
“Not you!” she shot back immediately and Will gave her a strange smile. Almost painful. “No, I love you”, he said.
Then, one afternoon, they were laying on the couch, both reading their books. She got bored, climbed on his lap, to get attention, to entertain herself with his face. Something harmless. Or so it seemed.
He didn’t react much so she started playing with his hair. She was distracted, absentmindedly moving to a beat inside her head, when he grabbed her by the waist and pushed her down. “Get off, you can’t do that kind of stuff, you’re not a child anymore, Mia!” he sounded angry. Annoyed even. She was hurt, and confused.
“What? Cause I’m heavy now?” she asked, naively. He just shoot her a look and went back to his book. There was no way in the world he was telling her she wasn’t welcomed in her favorite place anymore. It was so unlikely that she climbed back, hopeful and taking it as a joke. She jumped on his lap with force and he grabbed her by both arms, throwing her back beside him, and got up, exasperated. Leaving her there, discarded.
It all came back within seconds like a wave, drowning her, you will be replaced by a woman, the echoes of a voice she’d heard awhile back came rushing in.
That night, she stared at herself in the bathroom mirror, naked, and noticed how her waist curved in ways it didn’t before, all the way down her back, where it lifted her bottom. How her breasts seemed more perched and she suddenly felt ashamed. She tried to scrub the feeling off of her body, but it followed her into her bed, where she felt this nauseating sensation creeping up from her inner thighs all the way to her head, like wavy unease. She wasn’t a fresh daisy anymore, his little, pure girl. She felt disgusted at herself.
The next day she decided she wasn’t going to wear shorts or skirts or dresses anymore, so she put on a big t-shirt and sweatpants.
“It’s fourty degrees, are you sick or something?” he asked, spreading butter on the toast. She didn’t answer. Didn’t know if he was still angry.
She melted away for hours in those clothes, until he found her draped on the ground.
“Why are you wearing these? Take it off. Now.” he sounded annoyed again. She really wasn’t his little angel anymore, was she? It seemed like she was starting to become a burden.
She changed, but stayed in her room all day. He called her eventually, she yelled a “yeah”, but refused to go downstairs. At some point he got yet again annoyed and went up.
“What’s the matter with you? Been calling you for ages.”
She stood by her bed, in a red, flowery dress, and covered her legs with the blanket when she hesrd him coming. He noticed.
“Are you sick?” he went to her, pressing his hand to her forehead. “What’s wrong with you? You cold?”
She hadn’t learned how to lie to him at at point yet, so she didn’t say anything. She could tell his patience was wearing thin.
“Well, get out of this room, come downstairs.”
She remembers walking to the living room like it was her funeral. Slowly, almost trembling. She sat on the couch, far away from him, almost falling out of it. Hands on both knees. Stiff, awkward.
“What’s up with you?” he asked, touching her knee, and she instinctively flinched. That caught his eye. “Mia”, a warning.
She didn’t even know what to say. Couldn’t even comprehend what it all meant at the time. Not really. She just felt awful. Just felt. Couldn’t explain, or articulate. So her body did it for her and decided to cry.
He got worried all of the sudden, what’s wrong, what’s wrong, baby?
“I’m not a baby. You said I’m not a baby anymore.”
“Mia.”
She tried to run, humiliated by her tears, but he grabbed her by the waist and pulled her back down. “What’s this about?”
She had no clue. How could she? She was just a kid. Then suddenly she wasn’t anymore. She remembers the belittling feeling of saying “you don’t me to sit on your lap anymore” through sobs.
She could hear the unspoken “oh my god…” he was letting out through his sigh. “That’s not what I…” he decided to stop talking, just scooped her up unto him. What a burden she was, how difficult she was. Because of her, who she was, the body parts she was born with, people were bothering him, investigating, snooping. Because of that, he was being suspected of hurting her. Because of who she was, her body, he was afraid to touch her. What a terrible thing she was in his life.
“I’m sorry I’m not a boy,” she told him as the tears threatened to pour again. He looked at her, confused, asked her what she was talking about.
That had been such a strange couple of days. That entire interaction, the whole thing. It left a permanent stain on her psyche. Like a haunted place in her mind.
He began to date more. She was seeing just how she’d be replaced.
“Replaced? Are you insane?” he asked when she confronted him.
“Because I’m not enough.”
“Enough? Mia. What the hell are you talking about? No one’s replacing anyone.”
“Then why are you seeing them? Why are you leaving? Why can’t you stay here like you used to?”
“So now I’m supposed to be stuck here with you all the time? I don’t deserve to have some fun, to relax? After raising you for thirteen years, I don’t get to have a life?”
That cut like paper. Thin and painful. But she didn’t even cry. That cut so deep it went straight through her body, down to her soul. She just glared at him before walking out. “Leave, then.”
He didn’t. She stayed in her room, he stayed in his. Late into the night he came into hers, laid on her bed, reeking of alcohol, held her tight, and she could feel the tears shaking from his body. “I didn’t mean what I said, I made you, I wanted you, a girl, my girl, I wanted a girl, and I chose you, I chose you to be mine, and I don’t want anything else I’m sorry I’m so sorry I’m sick and I don’t know how to protect you from my sickness”, like a river he just kept pouring words into her ear.
She turned around and wiped his tears, “you should go out, and have a life”, she tried. That made him worse, “no no nono, I don’t want to, all I want is to be here with you I don’t need anything else I want to be here but baby it’s so hard I’m so afraid all the time I’m so afraid that my sickness is going to destroy everything and I don’t want to…I don’t”, he trailed off. She held him, he held her back and something in his groggy hands and mind wandered a little too far. Affection. Desire. She thought. So she leaned into it. Afraid of being left, she leaned into it.
Living with Will at thirteen was a tangle of thorns.
The last lines of the post about Mia being 13 and Will being drunk at night, so when Will is drunk he's less in control of his mind and actions? And if the actions tends to get too far, Mia won't say anything? 🍄
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Will has DiD, dissociative identity disorder, he gets triggered by his own feelings of inadequacy and guilt and splits. Alcohol just makes it worse.
The way he manipulated everything made Mia completely unaware and unable to even distinguish between affection and abuse. He made her feel as if she wanted it, asked for it, tempted him, bribed him to do it. It’s a common tactic to revert the blame to the victim.
He’d always do it in a way that made it look like he was making a sacrifice, like he was saying “fine, you want me? here, have it”, “if I don’t do this you will leave me, won’t you?”, “you’re such a bad girl, look what you are forcing me to do”, “I love you so much that I’m tainting myself for you”.
She thought it was pleasant but it felt physically overwhelming. The pleasantness came from pleasing him, not from the act. And the body reacts, and so he would take that as a her asking, wanting, enjoying. But the body just reacts. She didn’t know how to be present, she just accepted it, told herself little stories in her head until she felt empty again. Until it was over. But she didn’t realize what was happening. It was just another way of showing love. It was what she made him do. Right? As she got older, more experienced, sharper, and bad, she learned to enjoy it. Take what little control she had available. Might as well.
Yes! Well, she will in the next chapter of Rotten, but if you want to know this specific plot without necessarily following along with the fic, here it is:
Rotten Meat Spoilers
Will and Hannibal fall in love, Hannibal being Hannibal begins to notice something is off in Mia’s relationship with Will, he finds out what it is. Will stops what he does to Mia when he notices how different it is with Hannibal. He gradually begins to untwist himself from that delusion and Hannibal helps him with the alter. There’s no happy ending, I wanted to be “realistic”, but there’s that, I guess.
Not sure how true this is, but Will daiting other women feels and sounds like a way to play with Mia's heart and even mind, making her go crazy because he just knows how devoted she is to him.
Also it's kind of good to see people talking about these dark topics, I don't see a lot of people discussing or even putting in consideration to talk about these kind of topic. Thank you, even if it hurts to read the thruth sometimes like these new posts but at the same time is interesting in a twisted way😭
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Aw yes, it’s hurtful but so healing for some of us.
Haha yes, I think Will tries dating in one hand to truly attempt getting away from his attachment to Mia, but then also to provoke her and reinforce the relationship’s dynamic.
Does Mia feels attraction for girls too? If yes, is Will okay with that, and with her potentially having experience in dating girls?🩰
Rotten Meat Major Spoilers:
Yes, Mia is actually unable to feel attraction to men because either all men are repulsive to her, for being way too different than Will, or they are dangerous, she feels unsafe. She doesn’t feel any attraction to men whatsoever, realizes that around 18. She tries but Will ruined that for her. Will will be happy when he finds out because he doesn’t feel threatened by women, just as she doesn’t feel threatened by men, hence why she’s not jealous of Hannibal.
Will does not possess a conventional form of empathy. His relationship to killers is not rooted in emotional resonance or moral concern, but in psychic permeability: a structural openness that allows external identities to inhabit him. However, this permeability is not universal; it is specific. He does not absorb just any identity, he absorbs those that reflect a latent structure within himself. In this sense, his ability is not methodical nor voluntary. It is not emotional empathy, nor is it rational profiling. It is an involuntary resonance…a deep, structural identification with acts of violence that mirror something pre-existing in his psyche.
This is why Will only “empathizes” with killers. The violent act serves as a key that unlocks his inner architecture. He does not become possessed by killers in the supernatural sense, but rather, he temporarily dissolves the boundary between himself and the killer, allowing their psychology to animate his own body. The result is not compassion, it is identification. He does not simulate their actions analytically; he experiences their intentions as if they were his own. He embodies the logic of the crime because its logic echoes something in him that was already unspoken.
When he occasionally empathizes with victims, it is never spontaneous, it only happens when the victim reflects an identity Will already contains: isolation, fragility, misunderstood innocence. But his natural point of entry is not vulnerability…it is violence. This doesn’t make him violent, necessarily (but it can) but it does mean that violence has a language that his psyche understands.
In this light, his permeability is not passive openness, it is selective attunement. The killers don’t impose themselves on him; they are invited in by the haunted architecture of his own self. He doesn’t “catch” their consciousness like a virus. He reflects it, because it was already latent.
Thus, Will Graham is not empathic: he is a mirror. But only to the shadow.
If you think Bedelia told Will that Hannibal was in love with him, you’re wrong.
When Will asks her plainly, “Is Hannibal in love with me?”, Bedelia does not offer the comfort or constraint of a simple “yes.” Instead, she replies: “He daily feels a stab of hunger and finds nourishment at the very sight of you.”
This is no evasion, but precision. Bedelia is the consummate observer, the only one perhaps capable of reading Hannibal accurately not through empathy but through pure intellect, refrains deliberately from naming the feeling as love. Because she knows better.
To say Hannibal is “in love” would be to reduce him to the category of the ordinary. It would be to align his experience of desire with that of humans, those who love and pine, who miss and regret, who fall and suffer. But Hannibal does not fall. He devours. He consumes. His longing is not sentimental but carnivorous. He is not wounded by love but sharpened by appetite.
Hannibal and Will both occupy a liminal space beyond the structures that define conventional emotion. They are not simply men, but something Other. Beasts, Fallen Angels, mirrors of each other’s darkness. For Bedelia to claim that Hannibal loved Will would not only be false, it would betray her own intelligence, and her understanding of what Hannibal is. Hannibal does not love in human terms. He feels hunger, fascination, aesthetic rapture, a sublime compulsion that transcends the human vocabulary of affection.
And that is precisely why Bedelia’s choice of words matters. He finds nourishment at the very sight of you.That is not love. That is need on a mythic scale. So, no, Bedelia did not tell Will that Hannibal was in love with him. She told him something much worse.
here's Will and Lola sailing. I remember watching a movie where the female protagonist experienced a traumatic moment with her father and it was sunset and they colored it extremely orangy/reddish. It reminded me of them.
Holy shit! You made this? This looks hauntingly beautiful. Fanart of my fic is…Beyond words. Thank you. Thank you.
Run away with an older man? Will knew about that or Mia was good enough to hide it from him?🤔
That happened when Will almost got married. So naturally Mia was devastated and tried to run. Mia was able to hide the man from Will, yes, but he did find out about her running away.
Do you envision a post-canon future where Hannibal stops hurting Will?
I think Hannibal would do anything to keep Will around. I think canon sort of proved this, in a way. So if hurting Will became unfunny to Will, then yes. But the problem is that Will enjoys that aspect of the dynamic and keeps circling back to it. I don’t think he’d enjoy it as much without getting marked by Hannibal. So Hannibal would only stop if Will genuinely wanted him to. Because Hannibal doesn’t actually need violence, but Will does, he’s the one who craves it so intensely he repressed it. Hannibal craves something else, not violence itself. Like Will, like Francis.
Could Will and Hannibal still fall in love without the violence?
The short answer is: no. Not truly. Not completely.
Perhaps Hannibal maybe, just maybe, could have. His love, though monstrous, is contemplative. He knows there are other means of influence. He understands tenderness, charm, seduction, patience. He knows how to be still and let another unravel themselves before him. But Will understands violence. And not just in the physical sense, but in its existential form. Love, for Will, is not real unless it wounds.
Molly offered him love, the kind that is soft, steady, human. And it was not enough. It wasn’t that he didn’t care for her, but that her love asked nothing of him beyond presence. It didn’t consume or threaten him. It didn’t make him feel unique.
Because for Will, love is only meaningful when it comes from someone whose affection is rare, impossible, unreachable. He wants to be chosen by the one who cannot be swayed. He needs the attention of the one who pays attention to no one. And that’s Hannibal.
Will doesn’t enjoy being looked at. He shrinks from attention…except Hannibal’s. Hannibal’s gaze is his drug. Bedelia says it clearly: Will becomes so addicted to Hannibal’s attention that he stops thinking rationally. After the end of season one, everything Will does becomes an orbit around Hannibal’s gravity. It’s not logic. It’s hunger.
He wants to be the one who changed the monster. That’s what distinguishes Hannibal’s love. Not its purity, but its cost. Its impossibility.
And that’s why he hates Bedelia. Not overtly, but deeply. Because Bedelia was left untouched by Hannibal. She slipped past his teeth. Will mistakenly interprets that as softness, as vulnerability. Something Will thought he alone provoked in Hannibal. Bedelia’s existence challenges Will’s uniqueness. And Will’s love is possessive. He needs to be the one.
When Hannibal kills Abigail, it is not cruelty, it is retaliation. She was the symbol of Will’s power over him. Her survival meant Hannibal had changed, had bent. When Will saw that she was alive, he told Hannibal, “I already did (change you).” He believed he had changed the unchangeable. That Hannibal was no longer the monster. And that shattered Hannibal’s carefully preserved self-image.
So he made a choice. He destroyed Abigail, not to punish Will, but to remind him: You didn’t win. You don’t own my heart. I am still the monster. I choose who I am. Remember who I am.
But the tragedy is, Will had already accepted him. In that moment, Will might have run away with him. If he had known Abigail was alive sooner, if he had known there was hope, he would’ve gone. Because Hannibal wasn’t the monster anymore, not to Will. But it was too late.
Could they love without violence?
Maybe Hannibal could.
But Will cannot.
He doesn’t recognize love in its gentler forms. He rationally knows it exists. But he does not feel it. Not when it is safe. Not when it is soft.
For Will, love must undo him. It must destroy. It must leave something broken in its wake because only then does he believe it is real. And Hannibal knows this. He has always known this. That is why, of all the means at his disposal, he chooses violence.
Because that is what Will understands.
That is what opens his heart.
Not in spite of the violence, but because of it.
But why does Will only seem to recognize love when it ruins him?
Perhaps the answer lies in his deepest, most hidden places, the ones he keeps even from himself. Will is not whole. He is repressed, folded inward, suffocating beneath layers of self-restraint and ambiguity. His own mind is a cage, and though he keeps the door closed, something inside him longs to be undone. Maybe he doesn’t want to be himself, not the self he performs, not the self that pleases, not the quiet man with the dogs and the pain he never names.
He wants to be taken apart.
Because he believes, deep down, that the truth of him is buried beneath the rubble of everything he was taught to be.
And only destruction can dig that deep.
This is why he was drawn to his work…because, without realizing it, it broke him. It wore away his boundaries, cracked open his empathy until it spilled everywhere. His sanity frayed not by accident, but by unconscious desire. He walked into the fire without knowing he wanted to burn.
And then there was Hannibal. Hannibal, who did not flinch.
Hannibal, who watched Will unravel with interest, not pity.
Hannibal, who understood that love is not just affection…it is force.
To Hannibal, love is not kind. It is not tender. It is not soft music and easy mornings.
It is gravity. A law of the cosmos. A magnet drawing opposites into union. A force.
But union is not peace.
Union, true union, is violent. Because when two become one, both must be destroyed. The ego, the fear, the separation, everything that says I must dissolve so that we can be born.
This is not romance. This is alchemy.
Will only recognizes love as destruction because, in its truest form, that’s what love is. It dismantles. It tears open. It annihilates everything false.
And he wants that.
Not just to be loved, but to be unmade.
To find what lies beneath the performance of humanity. To reach the raw core.
And he knows he cannot do it alone. So he seeks the one who is willing to ruin him, who sees his ruin not as a tragedy, but as a revelation.
That is why he does not run. That is why he cannot stay with Molly.
That is why he will always come back to Hannibal.
Because the love he believes in, the only love he feels, is the one that makes him disappear, and through that, he can finally see himself.
Just wanted to say that I actually headcanon Will would behave like Rotten Meat given the opportunity but some people fail to understand that canon has restrictions but it doesn't mean it limits the actual character on their core.
Yes, Bryan said he wanted to avoid certain things for Hannibal and Will’s character, and nbc would not allow many things to be shown. It’s funny how people have a literal mindset of “no see no real”, including obvious things like Bedelia and Hannibal sleeping together or even Hannibal and Anthony. Everything on the show was made to let the audience know without needing to be explicit yet most failed to see it anyway. This just shows how tiring it is to deal with people like this because you need to speak the entire bible for them to understand two paragraphs.
Watching Hannibal and picking up on the foreshadowing that Will was meant to die at the end
sacrificing himself for Hannibal
“he became Achilles on the field of war, he died for him there, wearing his armour”
not that Will was wearing Hannibal’s armour in TWOTL but be finally accepted himself and shed his own ‘shield’
I see that and I raise you: the opposite.
We are often thrown between roles while watching the show, just as Will and Hannibal are. And in the moment where Hannibal is drawing Patroclus and Achilles, him and Will are bonding, but are still victims of their own inability to fully see themselves. They are lying to themselves about what they feel, and who they are. Will, not accepting the part of himself that wants to run away with Hannibal, and Hannibal, not accepting that Will changed him.
But who steps in front of the bullet, taking Will’s place and is shot? Hannibal does. Who, despite all of his life being extremely egocentric and individualistic, accepted to die at Will’s hands/choice? Hannibal did. Who truly shedded his previous self to become empathetic? “My compassion for you is inconvenient”. Hannibal did.
Who really became the other on the field of war and died for and with the other? Hannibal did. He wore Will’s armor, fighting wildly, which wasn’t Hannibal’s style but Will’s. Hannibal could’ve run and left Will to die with Francis, but he became Will (compassion/empathy) and sacrificed himself to save him, knowing he planned to kill them both.