About the post of Mia's first relationships when she was young, why was Will more mad at her for kissing a boy and not so mad at her for kissing a girl?😮 Is there a particular motive?
Definitely. This phenomenon where a father reacts strongly to his daughter’s romantic involvement with a man is a well-documented psychological dynamic, often tied to unconscious notions of possession, rivalry, and control.
For a father like Will, whose relationship with his daughter is already marked by enmeshment, blurred boundaries, and an undercurrent of possessiveness, her interest in men can trigger an unconscious sense of loss. Unlike with a woman, whom he does not view as a direct rival, another man represents a tangible shift in his daughter’s affections. It is a perceived replacement, a symbolic transfer of emotional and physical closeness that he, on some level, resents.
A father’s jealousy toward his daughter’s relationships with men often stems from subconscious territoriality. While he may or may not consciously see his daughter as “his” in a romantic sense, he has always been the dominant male figure in her life. The introduction of another man disrupts that dynamic, introducing an external force that can challenge his influence. This is why fathers who exhibit these reactions often show more possessiveness toward daughters than sons (sons do not “replace” them; they are seen as extensions of the father himself).
Also, there is a cultural and psychological bias at play. Many fathers view their daughters’ heterosexual relationships through a lens of protection, often mixed with control. A male partner represents not only a sexualized presence but also a potential emotional and psychological threat. In contrast, a female partner is often perceived as non-threatening, almost neutral, because it does not disrupt the father’s role in the same way.
Specifically in Will and Mia’s case:
His daughter sees herself for him, her identity is built around him, and he unconsciously placed her in a conflicting triad of roles: maiden, mother, wife. His jealousy at seeing her kiss a man suggests that, on some level, he sees male partners as rivals, competitors for her attention, devotion, and even emotional caretaking. The fact that he does not react the same way when she kisses a woman is because he does not perceive female relationships as a comparable threat. In his subconscious, only another man can “take her” from him.
This reaction is not rational, nor is it consciously malevolent, but it is deeply ingrained. It is an emotional response tied to Will’s own possessiveness, unresolved emotional dependencies, and the psychological framework that has defined his and his daughter’s relationship. It is not about morality, sexuality, or even logic…it is about a primal, almost territorial sense of loss.
What are some signs in canon that you think would make Will prone to outbursts of violence/anger or did you headcanon for hos character in RM?
I got inspired by canon, yes! I think Will with Mason Verger is a great example (it’s why in the fic he kills him). And of course the hallucinations where he pushes Abigail into antlers, and some others where he has those bursts.
I'm curious to hear your thoughts on trauma bonding and how it relates to the different characters in Hannibal? Abigails storyline in particular makes me so sad!
So a lot of people don’t know what actual trauma bonding is and confuse that with “bonding through trauma”. I’m unsure which one you mean, but I’ll talk about trauma bonding, which is when an individual bonds with their aggressor. This happens in relationships where affection and abuse (or neglect) alternate unpredictably. This creates a cycle of intermittent reinforcement, which is the same mechanism that makes gambling so addictive. When rewards (love, approval) are unpredictable, the brain clings to them even more.
Instead of recognizing the abuser as a source of pain, the victim sees them as a source of relief from pain…because the abuser is also the one who provides moments of comfort.
Trauma bonding is one of the show’s most pervasive psychological dynamics, shaping the relationships between characters but also the show’s exploration of power, control, and devotion. Hannibal, as a master manipulator, excels in forging trauma bonds with those around him, binding them to him through a calculated mix of protection, intimacy, and destruction. But, his approach varies depending on the person. While his trauma bonds with Bedelia and Abigail are deliberate and controlled, his relationship with Will is far more chaotic, mutual, and ultimately self-destructive.
With Bedelia and Abigail, Hannibal enacts a textbook trauma-bonding strategy. He ensures that both experience intense psychological distress while positioning himself as their protector, creating a cycle of dependency. He forces himself into their vulnerabilities and secrets.
Hannibal orchestrates these relationships meticulously, knowing exactly how to push his victims toward dependence. He makes himself indispensable to them, ensuring they feel both indebted and trapped, thus securing their loyalty.
With Will, the dynamic is different. While Hannibal undoubtedly trauma bonds Will to him, inflicting suffering, ensuring his emotional isolation, and making himself the only person who truly understands him, he does so in a way that spirals beyond his control. Unlike with Bedelia or Abigail, Hannibal does not want Will’s loyalty to stem from coercion or manipulation alone. He wants Will to choose him.
This is why Hannibal does not use the same explicit tactics on Will as he does with others. He does not force Will into submission in the way he does Abigail or Bedelia because, on some level, he respects Will as an equal. More importantly, he wants Will’s love, not just his devotion or fear. While Hannibal undoubtedly orchestrates much of Will’s suffering in the first season, their bond becomes something beyond Hannibal’s initial “design”.
Whereas Hannibal carefully crafts his trauma bonds with others, with Will, the bond is mutual, volatile, and unpredictable. They both become aggressors and victims, binding each other through pain, understanding, and a shared inability to let go. Hannibal’s methods of manipulation may have initiated the cycle, but by the end, Will is just as much a participant. The line between who is controlling whom blurs, making their relationship a perfect example of how trauma bonding can evolve into something neither party can entirely dominate.
For both Will and Hannibal, their bond is simultaneously soothing and destructive. They are each other’s greatest relief and deepest wound, unable to exist apart but suffering when together. Attachment persists even in the face of undeniable harm.
Will makes the same choice as Hannibal: to sacrifice everything for the bond they share. Even when he could have walked away, he chose to stay, to become an aggressor rather than sever the connection. This is what separates Will from Bedelia or Abigail: he was not simply manipulated into dependence; he reciprocated, ensuring the bond became a two-way tether neither could escape.
Abigail’s situation is more complex due to the gaps in our knowledge about her father’s relationship with her. However, if her bond with Garret Jacob Hobbs mirrored the one she developed with Hannibal, then she is perhaps the most textbook example of trauma bonding in the show. Her survival was dependent on submission, compliance, and the internalization of her captor’s worldview. This pattern repeated itself with Hannibal, reinforcing the idea that, for Abigail, safety and danger were inextricable.
What if Mia when she was younger used to take care of Will when he was sick, or when he had a mental crisis? Since there's not a mother/wife figure in the house, I feel like Mia just happend to help Will with almost everything.
(what if she would help him sleep at night, when he has a nightmare, like giving him kisses on the forehead and sweet words?🥺)
Mia definitely dances around the roles.
Will lay sprawled on the couch, his body damp with fever. The house was dim, the only sound the occasional gust of wind against the windows. Mia sat beside him, watching him. She dipped a cloth into a bowl of cool water and pressed it gently to his forehead.
“You always let it get this bad before you tell anyone,” she murmured.
Will stirred, his voice hoarse. “Didn’t want to—” he coughed, wincing— “bother you.”
Mia rolled her eyes but softened almost immediately. “You never bother me. Almost never.” She teased.
She adjusted the cloth, letting her fingers rest against his temple for a moment before pulling the old quilt higher around his shoulders. Will let out a slow breath, his body unclenching just slightly.
“You should sleep,” she said.
His eyelids fluttered, heavy with exhaustion. “Stay?” His voice was barely above a whisper.
Mia hesitated for only a second before curling up in the chair beside him, tucking one foot beneath her.
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Will jerked awake, gasping for air. His heart pounded against his ribs as he stared into the darkness of his bedroom. The dream was already slipping away, but the feeling lingered—something thick and suffocating in his chest.
Mia sat up beside him, her eyes squinting from sleep. “Another bad dream?” she asked quietly.
Will didn’t answer. He pressed his hands over his face, trying to steady his breathing. Mia sighed and leaned down and pressed a kiss on the top of his hand.
“It’s okay,” she whispered. “You’re home. You’re safe.”
Will exhaled, his muscles still tense but not as rigid. Mia shifted, stretching out beside him.
After a while, his body eased. The house settled into silence, and they both drifted into sleep.
Nope! Not too much, it was actually really fun to read!😭 love it when they tease each other, just to get out a reaction. I wonder how much Mia does it during the day and in which occasions
Will is an inherently conflicted man, struggling between his need for control and his inability to resist being drawn into chaotic emotional dynamics. His relationship with Mia is one of carefully maintained instability…he lets her push him, but only enough to keep himself in a position where he can push back harder.
Will thrives in ambiguity because it allows him to remain in control while appearing not to be. He never directly engages in emotional vulnerability but instead twists interactions into something that maintains his dominance. When Mia teases him, he never simply accepts the bait, he redirects it, reframes it, makes her question who’s really in control of the game.
This points to manipulative tendencies seen in individuals with high intelligence but attachment-related trauma. Will knows how to read people, but instead of using that knowledge for genuine connection, he uses it to stay one step ahead.
His reactions suggest a fear of emotional surrender. He keeps Mia close by playing the game, but never lets her feel like she’s actually affecting him, even when she is.
Will’s refusal to take Mia’s attractiveness or desirability seriously isn’t just paternal dismissal, it’s a form of psychological denial. He downplays it because acknowledging it would mean confronting emotions he refuses to face.
When he scoffs at her insecurities, for example, it isn’t just frustration; it’s deflection. He is aware of how others perceive her, and it affects him, but his refusal to validate it is an attempt to suppress the part of him that is affected.
His possessiveness, though masked in protective instincts, stems from the blurring of roles between father, protector, and something more subconscious. He isn’t just protective of Mia in a traditional fatherly sense, he is also territorial about her attention, ensuring she remains emotionally anchored to him.
The Oedipal dynamic emerges in the way he negotiates her desirability rather than outright rejecting the idea of it, he teases, redirects, manipulates, but never truly forbids. There is no firm line drawn because part of him enjoys the tension, even if it’s unspoken.
He was never properly parented himself, leaving him without a model for healthy father-daughter attachment. Instead, he relates to Mia in a way that feels familiar: through a mix of control, unpredictability, and emotional push-and-pull.
His identity is fractured—between the caring father figure he consciously wants to be and the darker, more possessive instincts he doesn’t want to acknowledge.
Mia, on the other hand, is equally as entangled in this dynamic. Her provocations are not just about playful teasing, they serve as a psychological test to confirm her place in Will’s world.
Mia constantly teases and provokes Will not because she wants to fight him, but because she needs to feel his reaction.
If Will engages with her, it reassures her that she has power over him. If he ignores her, it creates a sense of instability, so she pushes harder.
Her identity is tied to how much she can affect others, especially Will. The more she gets a reaction, the more secure she feels in her importance to him.
Just as Will wants to keep Mia emotionally tethered to him, Mia wants to ensure Will is hers.
When she sees her friends or others paying attention to him, it triggers jealousy and territoriality.
She has been raised in an environment where her emotional role in Will’s life is primary. There is no mother figure, no wife, she is the most important female presence, and she clings to that.
When she provokes him about other women noticing him, it isn’t just teasing, it’s a challenge. She wants to remind him that he belongs to her in the way she understands belonging.
Mia struggles with clear boundaries, not just in relationships but in self-perception.
She needs Will to recognize her presence, to see her, react to her, confirm her.
This leads to this excessive testing of limits, as seen in children who have unstable attachment with their primary caregivers. They create tension to ensure the connection remains active.
Their dynamic is self-sustaining because both Will and Mia feed into each other’s insecurities.
Will is manipulative, but he is also trapped. Mia is controlling, but she is also desperate. They are both aware of the dynamic but refuse to change it, because despite its toxicity, it provides something they both crave: certainty.
Hello! I got my friend to watch Hannibal with me. They commented that they were uncomfortable because they felt that the show pushed the notion that people with mental health issues are dangerous. I was wondering if you would like to discuss how mental health is handled in the show?
Criticism of media portrayals of mental illness comes from a misunderstanding of what representation actually means. When a TV show or film depicts a character with mental health issues as dangerous, it is not making a blanket statement that all mentally ill people are dangerous…it is simply exploring a real aspect of human psychology. While it is true that the majority of individuals with mental illnesses are not violent, it is also true that a significant number of violent crimes have been committed by individuals with untreated or severe mental disorders. To deny this reality is to ignore a crucial and often tragic aspect of mental health discourse.
The argument that showing mentally ill characters as dangerous reinforces stigma assumes that the media is creating this association out of nowhere. However, violent or erratic behavior caused by certain mental conditions is not a fictional construct, it is a well-documented reality. Disorders like schizophrenia with psychosis, untreated bipolar disorder in manic states, severe personality disorders, and dissociative disorders with aggressive alters have, in specific cases, contributed to acts of violence. This does not mean that every person with these disorders is violent, but it also does not mean that depicting the real cases where mental illness plays a role in crime is inherently harmful.
Is your friend also criticizing all shows who depict something negative?!
If a show portrays a serial killer with psychotic delusions, it is not saying that all people with psychosis are killers, it is portraying one possible outcome in an extreme case. Just as a show might depict a corrupt cop without implying that all cops are corrupt, or an abusive parent without implying that all parents are abusive, mental illness as a narrative element should not be seen as an accusation against every person who suffers from one.
Stigma does not come from representation, it comes from a lack of nuance in understanding that representation that your friend is a part of. A person who watches one depiction of a mentally ill criminal and assumes all mentally ill people are criminals is someone who already lacks critical thinking. The responsibility for that ignorance does not lie with the show: it lies with the individual who refuses to differentiate between fiction and general reality.
In fact, suppressing certain depictions of mental illness in media may actually do more harm than good. If stories only show mentally ill people as victims, misunderstood heroes, or entirely harmless individuals, it creates an incomplete and dishonest portrayal of reality. Some people do suffer from extreme cases of mental illness that lead to dangerous behavior, and pretending otherwise does a disservice to both mental health discourse and public safety.
It is not the job of media to sanitize reality to make people comfortable, it is the job of viewers to engage with media critically. A nuanced show does not simply present a mentally ill villain, it explores the complexities of their condition, the factors that led them there, and the impact of their actions. The presence of a dangerous mentally ill character in a story does not mean the work itself is stigmatizing, it is the way the audience interprets it that determines whether stigma is reinforced.
The stigma is perpetuated by those who refuse to think beyond surface-level portrayals. A well-written show that presents a mentally ill character who commits violence is not spreading misinformation, it is depicting one real possibility among many. The danger lies not in acknowledging that some mentally ill individuals can be dangerous, but in allowing ignorance to dictate how we interpret these portrayals.
Ok but what about Mia costantly cuddling her dad? Like caressing his hair, a pat on the shoulders and hugs or kisses on the cheek?🥺 okay I'll just shut now...
She had always been like this. Soft, affectionate, without hesitation. As a child, she had climbed into his lap, pressed her cheek against his shoulder, wound her fingers into the loose threads of his shirts. And she hadn’t outgrown it. Not at ten, not at fifteen, not now.
Will barely looked up from his book when she settled against him, her body fitting into his side like it belonged there. Her arms slipped around his waist, her cheek resting just under his collarbone. She smelled faintly of shampoo, something light and sweet, something that still lingered on his sweaters after she stole them.
He sighed, flipping a page. Mia. A protest in name only.
She hummed, unfazed, fingers tracing absent circles against his ribs. She always did this—idly, without thought, as if some part of her needed the physical reassurance of his presence. And maybe it did.
Will lifted his arm to accommodate her, and she took it as invitation, curling closer, her breath warm against his throat. When he moved, just slightly, her hold tightened, the way it had when she was small, when she thought loosening her grip meant being pulled away.
He let his hand settle in her hair, combing through the strands slowly, the way she liked. She made another small sound, pleased, nuzzling into his chest.
Will exhaled, letting the book slip shut. She was warm, so terribly warm, and her fingers had stilled against his ribs, a slow, steady weight against him.
When did Mia and Will's relationship start to shift into something more tense and complicated?
It was the summer the world took her from him, and in her absence, something in him soured, or perhaps ripened…who is to say which is the more dangerous evolution? Three months, an eternity stretched taut and thin like sinew over bone, three months of a house emptied of her voice, and presence. They had demanded it, the faceless bureaucrats, the men and women who pried into matters beyond their understanding. She must socialize, they said. She must be among others her own age, learn their rites, their banal little games. And so, under the blade of legal consequence, he surrendered her to the world.
And she did not return as she had left.
She stepped back into the house, with the same limbs, the same hands, the same face, and yet there was something minutely altered, like a painting restored with new, harsher pigments. The sun had touched her skin in his absence, bronzed her like a relic pulled from the earth, her hair lightened, her gaze deepened.
Something had grown in the dark soil of distance, something restless, gnawing, unspeakable. He had raised her for years with an arm draped in velvet but a grip of steel, shaping her world to orbit him alone, filling the silence of their home with his voice so that she had no need to listen for others. But they had taken her away, forced her into the company of girls who laughed in ways he could not control, of boys whose eyes lingered in ways he had not sanctioned.
And his Mia had returned with a knowledge that had not been there before, some glint in her eye that was not learned from him. He watched her for signs of what had been stolen, for what had been given in return. And she, sharp as she had always been, knew it. Knew he was looking. Knew he had been wounded by absence. And she wielded that knowledge like a blade, pressing just to see if he would bleed.
She did not have to run to make him chase her; she only had to lean just slightly out of reach. And he, fool that he was, let her pull him deeper into the dark.
ohh my, I wonder what’s the most uncomfortable moment they’ve ever had together? and does Mia ever test Will in front of other people, or is it something private?
It was the kind of night that invited indulgence, that slurred time into something thick and honeyed. The bar was dim, the amber light pooling in glasses, the low murmur of voices punctuated by the occasional burst of laughter. Mia, draped over the back of his chair, her chin on his shoulder, fingers idly toying with the collar of his shirt. And Will, weary, indulgent, letting her exist in his space as she always had.
A stranger, faceless in the recollection, reeking of whiskey and cheap bravado, clapped Will on the back, grinning with the familiarity of drunks. “Lucky bastard,” he slurred. “Snatched up a damn nymph, didn’t you?”
It was as if the world shifted, tilted, and Will was suddenly seeing himself through someone else’s eyes. Not as a guardian, not as a man whose hands had spent years pulling her out of nightmares and wiping her tears, but as him, the stranger, the lecher. The weight of her against his back, the way she curled around him, it was nothing new. It was familiar, comfortable. But suddenly, it was wrong. And the worst part, the most unbearable part, was the question that struck him like a knife between the ribs:
Did she see him like that too?
His stomach churned, nausea creeping up his throat. He wanted to peel her off of him, to shake off the sickly film of implication that coated his skin. But when he turned to her, she was already watching him, head tilted, that unreadable little smile playing on her lips.
And he, coward that he was, said nothing.
Mia’s most uncomfortable moment probably came in their home, in the thick, suffocating heat of a night. There was this sudden warmth seeping through cotton, the acrid scent already filling the room. A moment of disbelief, then horror, her body betraying her, reducing her to something helpless, infantile.
She sat frozen in the dark, throat closing up, humiliation burning her cheeks.
She looked like she wanted to disappear, to fold into herself like paper. Instead, she clenched her jaw, fists gripping the sheets as she spat, “Don’t. Don’t say anything.”
But Will, of course, didn’t. He simply leaned in, dropping a kiss on her forehead with the slow patience of a man approaching something skittish. He did not wince at the scent, or said anything other than “this is normal, it can happen”.
About testing: Mia had always been a little monster. A beautiful one, a clever one, but a monster nonetheless. She understood things before she should have, learned how to wield them before she had any business doing so.
She knew her friends watched him, whispered about him behind cupped hands, giggled when he passed by. He’s so hot. Your dad is so hot. She would roll her eyes, scoff, play at being annoyed. But then she would perform.
Drinking from his glass just to watch their eyes widen, their glances flicker between them. Sitting too close, draping herself over him, all casual, all innocent. A hand on his arm, a playful tug at his sleeve, a whine curling in her voice when she called his name. And Will, who knew, who always knew, would stiffen—just slightly, just enough for her to feel it.
She had the power to make them jealous, to make them envious. And she wielded it with a wicked little grin, with the knowledge that she could push, and push, and push—
What’s an example of a time Mia tested Will just to see how he’d react?
Has Will ever gone too far in one of their interactions and regretted it?
How does Mia react when Will tries to assert control over her in a more traditional parental way?
Does Mia ever fear Will, or does she feel completely safe with him no matter what?
It is welcomed!
1- It was summer when she did it. The sky was a bruised shade of violet, cicadas humming, the heat still clinging stubbornly to the air. Will had been inside, waiting, watching through the half-open blinds. And there she was Mia, his Mia, on the front porch, with some nameless boy, some pretty-limbed idiot who had no idea what he was walking into.
She kissed him. A lazy thing, effortless, as if she were offering nothing more than a passing thought. But Will knew better. He saw the way her fingers twisted in the fabric of the boy’s shirt, the way she angled her head, not toward the boy, but toward the window.
For him.
And something ugly, something ancient and terrible, ignited inside him.
He didn’t remember opening the door. Didn’t remember crossing the space between them. But suddenly, he was there, and suddenly, the boy wasn’t. He had stumbled back, some mixture of confusion and nerves flashing across his face, and Mia, standing perfectly still, that lazy little smirk playing at her lips, just watched.
She was waiting.
And it got ugly.
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2- The regret comes like a shadow, slinking in the spaces between breath and bone.
He always regrets it.
It stains him. She stains him. A burden, a sickness, a beautiful, untouchable curse. He carries it for her. For the way the world would sink its claws into her, rip her apart if he let it.
It is his sacrifice.
And it burns.
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3- She knows when to obey. It is an art, the way she slips back into place, the way she tilts her head, widens her eyes, plays the role she was made to play. His good girl.
But only when he forces it. Only when he grips her chin, when his voice drops into something hard and unrelenting. Then, and only then, does she listen.
But she is not afraid.
Not really. How could she be?
There are moments, fleeting, where she looks afraid, her breath caught in her throat, her fingers twisting against the hem of her dress. Moments where something inside her flickers, like a deer watching the flash of a hunter’s knife.
Curious how would Molly be if she existed in this dynamic where Will had a daughter 🤔
Mia would beg Will to leave her the wolf trap house. He would say no. She’d ask him to sell it and buy her a smaller place. He’d say no. Him and Molly are selling their houses and getting one together. Mia ends up having to live with them. Molly thinks she’s too old for that (she’d be twenty in this context), but knows Will isn’t going to accept it. Wally is infatuated by her, Will is resentful but mostly pretends to ignore. Stiff still happens under Molly’s roof. She’s unaware because she has a bias. Thinks she’s spoiled. Is a typical boy-mom. They do not get along, but Molly tries. Mia sabotages everything she can. It’s tough.
Apparently the Hannibal fandom is very into noncon/dubcon. Should we psychoanalyze it?
There is something about the dissolution of boundaries that fascinates the human psyche, an allure in the moment where resistance melts into inevitability, where the self is overtaken, undone, and remade by another. Noncon and dubious consent (dubcon) as a kink linger in this space, where fear and desire press against each other like two sides of the same coin. It is not the act itself that draws people in, but what it represents: the loss of control without consequence, the forced intimacy that dissolves distance, the transformation of self through the will of another.
In the Hannibal fandom, this dynamic is not just subtext, it is the very foundation of the relationship between Hannibal and Will. A hunter shaping his prey into something that loves him back, a man resisting even as his body and mind betray him. The tension between captivity and surrender, between manipulation and longing, between the illusion of choice and the inevitability of fate, this is the raw material of dubcon fiction. It is a game of thresholds, where hesitation is drawn out, prolonged, savored. The moment before giving in is always the sweetest.
Why do people seek this out in fiction? Because here, in the safety of words, power can be played with, danger can be danced around without real consequence. Fictional noncon is not about harm but about the seduction of inevitability, the fantasy of being wanted beyond reason, beyond morality, beyond resistance. It is about being seen so deeply that refusal is not an option, about desire so overwhelming it consumes choice itself.
And in Hannibal, the noncon fantasy is dressed in silk and served on fine china. Hannibal takes, but he takes with devotion. He molds, but he molds with love. There is horror, yes, but there is also an undeniable allure in the idea of being chosen, claimed, possessed completely. To some, this is terrifying. To others, it is intoxicating. And in fiction, it is a space to explore the edges of control and surrender, to touch the flame without being burned.
At its core, the appeal of noncon and dubcon as kinks lies in the paradox of surrender, of being overtaken yet, paradoxically, freed. It is not about the act itself, but about the dissolution of self-control, the unraveling of resistance, and the transformation that follows. It is about the moment when struggle ceases, when choice is no longer a burden, when submission is the only path forward. This taps into deep psychological and existential desires: the longing to be overpowered by something greater, the relief of having agency stripped away, the yearning to be reshaped by another’s will.
Unlike a rape kink, which often focuses on the explicit violence and violation of will, noncon and dubcon fantasies in fiction tend to revolve around the emotional and psychological aspects of surrender. The pleasure is not in the act of force itself but in the overwhelming inevitability of being wanted, of being claimed beyond reason or morality. It is about control being taken away, but in a way that absolves the self of responsibility, there was no decision to be made, no guilt to bear, only the tide that sweeps one under.
Psychologically, this can be linked to several things. For some, it is an escape from the weight of choice. In a world that demands autonomy, and constant self-governance, there is something intoxicating about the idea of not choosing, about being made to accept what is given, about surrendering to something stronger, more knowing. For others, it is about the deep-rooted fantasy of being seen completely and desired to the point of destruction, of being so wanted that resistance is futile, so needed that refusal does not matter.
Hannibal does not take, he transforms. His form of noncon is an act of creation, a molding of his subject into something worthy of him. This is a fantasy of annihilation and rebirth, of being made into what one is meant to be. Will does not consent to the process of becoming Hannibal’s, but he is powerless to stop it. And somewhere in that helplessness, in that inevitability, there is desire.
This is the key to why noncon and dubcon hold such a psychological grip in fiction: they offer a world where the burden of choice is lifted, where desire is forced into existence, where surrender is both terror and release. The appeal is not in violation but in transformation, in the slow erosion of the self as it is overtaken by something darker, deeper, more consuming. It is not about harm; it is about becoming.
The kind of love that blots out the sun, that hushes the noise of the world until there is only them. A love so all-consuming it ceases to be love in the soft, mortal sense and becomes a sickness, a fever, a religion.
This is the love that fandoms return to again and again, that they etch into timeworn stories, endless iterations of two souls drawn together not by choice but by fate, or something crueller. The love that does not leave room for worry, errands or bills or the dull weight of daily existence. The love that, in its overwhelming totality, is an escape, from the world, from the self, from the unbearable burden of being.
To be relieved of individuality, to dissolve into someone else’s gravity until there is no “I,” only us, only this. It is annihilation disguised as devotion. It is salvation with teeth. It is the reason we write and rewrite the same stories, analysis, metas, essays, musings, this post right here, not because we want to see love, but because we want to feel it take over, to remember, for a moment, what it is to forget everything else.
Overwhelming love, take me. Wash me clean of the dull edges of reality. Make me disappear into the blissful darkness of you.
Will does not possess a conventional form of empathy. His relationship to killers is not rooted in emotional resonance or moral concern, but in psychic permeability: a structural openness that allows external identities to inhabit him. However, this permeability is not universal; it is specific. He does not absorb just any identity, he absorbs those that reflect a latent structure within himself. In this sense, his ability is not methodical nor voluntary. It is not emotional empathy, nor is it rational profiling. It is an involuntary resonance…a deep, structural identification with acts of violence that mirror something pre-existing in his psyche.
This is why Will only “empathizes” with killers. The violent act serves as a key that unlocks his inner architecture. He does not become possessed by killers in the supernatural sense, but rather, he temporarily dissolves the boundary between himself and the killer, allowing their psychology to animate his own body. The result is not compassion, it is identification. He does not simulate their actions analytically; he experiences their intentions as if they were his own. He embodies the logic of the crime because its logic echoes something in him that was already unspoken.
When he occasionally empathizes with victims, it is never spontaneous, it only happens when the victim reflects an identity Will already contains: isolation, fragility, misunderstood innocence. But his natural point of entry is not vulnerability…it is violence. This doesn’t make him violent, necessarily (but it can) but it does mean that violence has a language that his psyche understands.
In this light, his permeability is not passive openness, it is selective attunement. The killers don’t impose themselves on him; they are invited in by the haunted architecture of his own self. He doesn’t “catch” their consciousness like a virus. He reflects it, because it was already latent.
Thus, Will Graham is not empathic: he is a mirror. But only to the shadow.
If you think Bedelia told Will that Hannibal was in love with him, you’re wrong.
When Will asks her plainly, “Is Hannibal in love with me?”, Bedelia does not offer the comfort or constraint of a simple “yes.” Instead, she replies: “He daily feels a stab of hunger and finds nourishment at the very sight of you.”
This is no evasion, but precision. Bedelia is the consummate observer, the only one perhaps capable of reading Hannibal accurately not through empathy but through pure intellect, refrains deliberately from naming the feeling as love. Because she knows better.
To say Hannibal is “in love” would be to reduce him to the category of the ordinary. It would be to align his experience of desire with that of humans, those who love and pine, who miss and regret, who fall and suffer. But Hannibal does not fall. He devours. He consumes. His longing is not sentimental but carnivorous. He is not wounded by love but sharpened by appetite.
Hannibal and Will both occupy a liminal space beyond the structures that define conventional emotion. They are not simply men, but something Other. Beasts, Fallen Angels, mirrors of each other’s darkness. For Bedelia to claim that Hannibal loved Will would not only be false, it would betray her own intelligence, and her understanding of what Hannibal is. Hannibal does not love in human terms. He feels hunger, fascination, aesthetic rapture, a sublime compulsion that transcends the human vocabulary of affection.
And that is precisely why Bedelia’s choice of words matters. He finds nourishment at the very sight of you.That is not love. That is need on a mythic scale. So, no, Bedelia did not tell Will that Hannibal was in love with him. She told him something much worse.
here's Will and Lola sailing. I remember watching a movie where the female protagonist experienced a traumatic moment with her father and it was sunset and they colored it extremely orangy/reddish. It reminded me of them.
Holy shit! You made this? This looks hauntingly beautiful. Fanart of my fic is…Beyond words. Thank you. Thank you.
Do you envision a post-canon future where Hannibal stops hurting Will?
I think Hannibal would do anything to keep Will around. I think canon sort of proved this, in a way. So if hurting Will became unfunny to Will, then yes. But the problem is that Will enjoys that aspect of the dynamic and keeps circling back to it. I don’t think he’d enjoy it as much without getting marked by Hannibal. So Hannibal would only stop if Will genuinely wanted him to. Because Hannibal doesn’t actually need violence, but Will does, he’s the one who craves it so intensely he repressed it. Hannibal craves something else, not violence itself. Like Will, like Francis.
Could Will and Hannibal still fall in love without the violence?
The short answer is: no. Not truly. Not completely.
Perhaps Hannibal maybe, just maybe, could have. His love, though monstrous, is contemplative. He knows there are other means of influence. He understands tenderness, charm, seduction, patience. He knows how to be still and let another unravel themselves before him. But Will understands violence. And not just in the physical sense, but in its existential form. Love, for Will, is not real unless it wounds.
Molly offered him love, the kind that is soft, steady, human. And it was not enough. It wasn’t that he didn’t care for her, but that her love asked nothing of him beyond presence. It didn’t consume or threaten him. It didn’t make him feel unique.
Because for Will, love is only meaningful when it comes from someone whose affection is rare, impossible, unreachable. He wants to be chosen by the one who cannot be swayed. He needs the attention of the one who pays attention to no one. And that’s Hannibal.
Will doesn’t enjoy being looked at. He shrinks from attention…except Hannibal’s. Hannibal’s gaze is his drug. Bedelia says it clearly: Will becomes so addicted to Hannibal’s attention that he stops thinking rationally. After the end of season one, everything Will does becomes an orbit around Hannibal’s gravity. It’s not logic. It’s hunger.
He wants to be the one who changed the monster. That’s what distinguishes Hannibal’s love. Not its purity, but its cost. Its impossibility.
And that’s why he hates Bedelia. Not overtly, but deeply. Because Bedelia was left untouched by Hannibal. She slipped past his teeth. Will mistakenly interprets that as softness, as vulnerability. Something Will thought he alone provoked in Hannibal. Bedelia’s existence challenges Will’s uniqueness. And Will’s love is possessive. He needs to be the one.
When Hannibal kills Abigail, it is not cruelty, it is retaliation. She was the symbol of Will’s power over him. Her survival meant Hannibal had changed, had bent. When Will saw that she was alive, he told Hannibal, “I already did (change you).” He believed he had changed the unchangeable. That Hannibal was no longer the monster. And that shattered Hannibal’s carefully preserved self-image.
So he made a choice. He destroyed Abigail, not to punish Will, but to remind him: You didn’t win. You don’t own my heart. I am still the monster. I choose who I am. Remember who I am.
But the tragedy is, Will had already accepted him. In that moment, Will might have run away with him. If he had known Abigail was alive sooner, if he had known there was hope, he would’ve gone. Because Hannibal wasn’t the monster anymore, not to Will. But it was too late.
Could they love without violence?
Maybe Hannibal could.
But Will cannot.
He doesn’t recognize love in its gentler forms. He rationally knows it exists. But he does not feel it. Not when it is safe. Not when it is soft.
For Will, love must undo him. It must destroy. It must leave something broken in its wake because only then does he believe it is real. And Hannibal knows this. He has always known this. That is why, of all the means at his disposal, he chooses violence.
Because that is what Will understands.
That is what opens his heart.
Not in spite of the violence, but because of it.
But why does Will only seem to recognize love when it ruins him?
Perhaps the answer lies in his deepest, most hidden places, the ones he keeps even from himself. Will is not whole. He is repressed, folded inward, suffocating beneath layers of self-restraint and ambiguity. His own mind is a cage, and though he keeps the door closed, something inside him longs to be undone. Maybe he doesn’t want to be himself, not the self he performs, not the self that pleases, not the quiet man with the dogs and the pain he never names.
He wants to be taken apart.
Because he believes, deep down, that the truth of him is buried beneath the rubble of everything he was taught to be.
And only destruction can dig that deep.
This is why he was drawn to his work…because, without realizing it, it broke him. It wore away his boundaries, cracked open his empathy until it spilled everywhere. His sanity frayed not by accident, but by unconscious desire. He walked into the fire without knowing he wanted to burn.
And then there was Hannibal. Hannibal, who did not flinch.
Hannibal, who watched Will unravel with interest, not pity.
Hannibal, who understood that love is not just affection…it is force.
To Hannibal, love is not kind. It is not tender. It is not soft music and easy mornings.
It is gravity. A law of the cosmos. A magnet drawing opposites into union. A force.
But union is not peace.
Union, true union, is violent. Because when two become one, both must be destroyed. The ego, the fear, the separation, everything that says I must dissolve so that we can be born.
This is not romance. This is alchemy.
Will only recognizes love as destruction because, in its truest form, that’s what love is. It dismantles. It tears open. It annihilates everything false.
And he wants that.
Not just to be loved, but to be unmade.
To find what lies beneath the performance of humanity. To reach the raw core.
And he knows he cannot do it alone. So he seeks the one who is willing to ruin him, who sees his ruin not as a tragedy, but as a revelation.
That is why he does not run. That is why he cannot stay with Molly.
That is why he will always come back to Hannibal.
Because the love he believes in, the only love he feels, is the one that makes him disappear, and through that, he can finally see himself.
Just wanted to say that I actually headcanon Will would behave like Rotten Meat given the opportunity but some people fail to understand that canon has restrictions but it doesn't mean it limits the actual character on their core.
Yes, Bryan said he wanted to avoid certain things for Hannibal and Will’s character, and nbc would not allow many things to be shown. It’s funny how people have a literal mindset of “no see no real”, including obvious things like Bedelia and Hannibal sleeping together or even Hannibal and Anthony. Everything on the show was made to let the audience know without needing to be explicit yet most failed to see it anyway. This just shows how tiring it is to deal with people like this because you need to speak the entire bible for them to understand two paragraphs.
Watching Hannibal and picking up on the foreshadowing that Will was meant to die at the end
sacrificing himself for Hannibal
“he became Achilles on the field of war, he died for him there, wearing his armour”
not that Will was wearing Hannibal’s armour in TWOTL but be finally accepted himself and shed his own ‘shield’
I see that and I raise you: the opposite.
We are often thrown between roles while watching the show, just as Will and Hannibal are. And in the moment where Hannibal is drawing Patroclus and Achilles, him and Will are bonding, but are still victims of their own inability to fully see themselves. They are lying to themselves about what they feel, and who they are. Will, not accepting the part of himself that wants to run away with Hannibal, and Hannibal, not accepting that Will changed him.
But who steps in front of the bullet, taking Will’s place and is shot? Hannibal does. Who, despite all of his life being extremely egocentric and individualistic, accepted to die at Will’s hands/choice? Hannibal did. Who truly shedded his previous self to become empathetic? “My compassion for you is inconvenient”. Hannibal did.
Who really became the other on the field of war and died for and with the other? Hannibal did. He wore Will’s armor, fighting wildly, which wasn’t Hannibal’s style but Will’s. Hannibal could’ve run and left Will to die with Francis, but he became Will (compassion/empathy) and sacrificed himself to save him, knowing he planned to kill them both.
“People are always asking me if I know Tyler Durden.”
So begins Fight Club.
Not with a name, but with a question—already casting doubt on the speaker’s existence.
It begins not with answers, but with the dissolution of the questioner.
You have been told you are someone.
You have a name, a voice, a history.
You believe your thoughts come from you.
That the story you tell yourself, about yourself, is real.
Stable. Whole. Linear.
But what if “I” is just a narrative device—
a convenient illusion sewn together from fragments, masks, and echoes of others?
When we begin to open the mirror, we find that it opens back.
I. Ego, Persona, and Shadow: The Inner Theater
Let’s start with the basic triad from Jungian psychology:
- The Ego is the conscious “I” you believe in—the narrator, the one who organizes the story.
- The Persona is the mask worn for others—crafted to meet expectation, to protect, to seduce.
- The Shadow is what remains repressed—instincts, desires, truths too raw or wild for polite exposure.
None of these are “false.”
They are roles. Filters. Distortions.
Each one reveals by concealing.
Imagine your identity as a stage:
The Ego is the actor,
The Persona is the costume,
The Shadow is what waits in the wings, watching.
You think you are the actor.
But often, the mask speaks louder.
And sometimes, the shadow takes the stage.
II. Identity as Performance
Erving Goffman described life as a series of performances. You adjust your posture, your laugh, your gaze depending on who’s watching. There is no “authentic” self waiting behind the mask—only more masks. You are always becoming someone in relation to someone else.
Judith Butler extends this:
Gender is not something we are, but something we do, a repetition of gestures, roles, codes that feel natural only because they’ve been rehearsed.
To perform is not to lie.
To perform is to exist.
But the performance is not you.
It is the surface of something deeper, or more empty.
III. Case Study: Fight Club and the Dissociated Narrator
The narrator of Fight Club doesn’t have a name. Or, more accurately, his name keeps changing. He introduces himself to support groups with fake ones: Rupert, Travis, Cornelius. He is searching for meaning—through insomnia, through consumerism, through identity theft.
Enter Tyler Durden:
The manifestation of what was repressed.
Masculinity without compromise.
Violence without consequence.
Freedom from the dullness of being one thing.
Tyler is not a hallucination.
He is a mask—peeled from the narrator’s own face. The shadow given voice. The persona taken too far.
Eventually, the narrator realizes:
He is Tyler. But also, he isn’t. He is the one who needed Tyler.
This fragmentation isn’t madness.
It’s revelation. The self as story—written in third person, re-narrated, redacted.
IV. The Mirror as a Portal
What is a mirror, truly? A tool of reflection? Or of distortion?
Mirrors show us what we wish to see—
And also what we fear: That nothing is behind the eyes, only a performance perfected by repetition.
In ancient rites, mirrors were portals—not to the self, but to the other side. To look too long was dangerous. You might see yourself split. Or worse—someone else staring back.
V. Final Question: The I as Fiction
So we end where we began:
What if “I” is just a narrative device?
Not a soul. Not a core.
But a sentence in motion.
A lie that believes in itself.
You are not being asked to abandon the self. Only to loosen its grip.
To wonder: What if I am not who I think I am? What if the real me is a shifting stage of masks, mirrors, and desire?
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Suggested Assignment:
1. Write a two-paragraph monologue from the point of view of your Persona.
We don’t want them to kiss/have sex because we’ve been conditioned to validate love through physicality. We want it because their desire for one another could only be quenched in totality. Soul, mind and body. It’s too much, it transcends humanity. They become animals when facing the availability of fully having one another.
Is Will's son biological or stepson? What do the books say?
Do you mean Wally? In the show he’s obviously a step son, I mean…He’s twelve. Will has been married for three years besides it is stated he’s a stepson. In the books it’s different but the show and the book are different universes, so no one in the fandom mixes them up nor is it logical to do so since book Hannigram doesn’t actually exist.
Trauma is the soul’s version of a tectonic shift, an internal landscape so deeply altered that even time flows differently afterward. It’s like a rift in ontological alignment. And the world never earned your affection again. Until him.
Who is your least favorite character on the show (Mason doesn't count), and both in personality but also in writing terms? love this blog 💕
Thank you 💗. My least favorite character in terms of bad writing is Alana. Poorly developed, confusing purpose besides being “the girlfriend”, then had an obvious attempt at making her a little worse but ended up making it forced.
My least favorite in terms of them as a character (after, of course, Mason) is Molly. I just cannot with a woman of her age thinking it’s okay to let her own child near Will Graham. He wasn’t some random guy. He was on literal news, all over the world, he had an extremely questionable past, and regardless if he was “innocent” or not, that’s not the point. You do not just drag a child into the life of a man like Will. Do what you want, but be responsible and leave the kid out of it. And this is simply non-debatable because the show proves my point: she and her child almost died.
A fic where Hannibal lost his memory in prison, and only remembers Will. He never fully recovers and Will faces the dilemma: if his identity has been erased, can the wounds he inflicted also disappear?
How do you think Alana could've been better as a character?
First of all by not being connected to Will in a romantic way. It was forced, looked like something the network made them do for the sake of following criteria for heterosexuality on television.
Then, making her more keen on Will’s symptoms, directly posing a threat to Hannibal’s plans. Making her an actual intelligent person and genuinely purposeful. Maybe Will was attracted because she seemed normal or as normal as he could ever get, but she wasn’t. Maybe she already had her own thing going on outside of that.
She could’ve genuinely bonded with Abigail, making Mizumono’s betrayal much more painful. As well as making Abigail’s arc more interesting by her actually having a choice between Hannibal and someone safer, but choosing Hannibal still, instead of her choice being more based on having no other choice.
The Margot thing was so flat, I wish they’d at least show the development of that couple. The chemistry was terrible and they looked like strangers. Could’ve actually shown her arc as becoming gradually okay with murder, instead of it being out of nowhere or just vengeful. And this isn’t about screen time, specially since they chose thirteen episodes which was a rarity at the time, and shortened the time for depth of side characters, but then they had useless scenes with her character that could’ve been better overall.
To the separated mind, the gods appear terrifying: they arrive as fate, as obsession, as punishment. They move beyond the reach of the will, acting through dream, through compulsion, through suffering. We fear them because they seem other, and so we name them: war god, love goddess, underworld keeper. We build temples not to worship, but to negotiate. Please, don’t destroy me. Please, don’t possess me.
But when the inner world begins to open through self-inquiry, rupture, or devotion, we realize the gods were never separate. They are not outside of us. They were the unacceptable desires, the unbearable instincts, the divine chaos we refused to integrate. The moment we turn inward and name them as our own, yes, I am the god of wrath, of lust, of sacrifice, they lose their threat. They become allies. They become organs of the psyche. And the fear dissolves into power.
Hannibal as the god of death, of manipulation, seduction, the forbidden, moves in the shadows of Will’s mind, shaping him, haunting him, violating his moral structure. And Will resists not because he doesn’t desire, but because the desire terrifies him. To love Hannibal would be to surrender to a part of himself he has never claimed. A part that kills, that craves, that knows.
But Hannibal is no more external than the gods of old. He is a mirror. A calling. The ritual madness that forces Will to confront the violence, the eros, the omniscience within himself. And as Will stops resisting, as he lets go of his human moralism and steps into the myth, they merge. Not as a couple, but as a single intelligence, a godform, indivisible. The hunter and the hunted, the empath and the predator, the sacrificial lamb and the priest. The line between them ceases to exist.
What once was feared as separate is now understood as the self. And the punishment was never real…it was the resistance. The horror of becoming what we already are.
Do you think show Hannibal was in love with Mischa?
If we go by what was said on the show, yes, very likely. Particularly because of Bedelia’s line “the standard psychological and sociological explanations about how one grows up and where don’t apply here. What your sister made you feel was beyond your conscious ability to control(…)”. She’s saying that the background is irrelevant (siblings/family) when it comes to this situation because what he felt for her was not something he could predict or control. She equates that to his feelings for Will, after suggesting he was in love with him. So, yes, everything in canon points to him being in love with her which makes the whole thing make much more sense, “she influenced me to betray myself” + him eating her to “forgive” her. It would make more sense for him to feel betrayed by his own mind to be in love with his sister. But then again…How Hannibal loves is beyond the normal realm.
How do you think trauma connects to Will and Hannibal's kinks? What kinks do you think they have in canon and what are some of your headcanons? I don't just mean the trauma that they share during the show but also their individual history with trauma and the development of kinks possibly intertwined with those experience's. Do you think that kinks can be empowering to people with trauma backgrounds if treated carefully. Thank you!
Sorry it took so long to respond! TW sex talk.
I think kinks are incredibly empowering when we know how to engage. They offer a safe vessel for trauma to be expressed and dealt with in a somatic way, which tends to be the most effective type of approach since it avoids the tendency to intellectualize emotions and repress them further.
Well, Hannibal clearly has a noncon kink, if we consider his pleasure in feeding people human meat without their knowledge. Although I’m not sure if that’s non consensual or…Non awareness lol. He also has this same type of behavior when it comes to some victims, like Miriam and Will. So he certainly enjoys power play in a less conventional way than what we expect from this dynamic.
His type of power play seems to be that in which he takes away the other person’s ability to even have a choice. It most likely stems from the powerlessness he felt as a child, so he doesn’t really try to offer choice, he probably feels unsafe this way. Hence why he was so fascinated by Will and Bedelia (both offered some type of resistance).
Will clearly has bondage kink, but he prefers when the bondaged is pleased, indicating that Will is aroused by stable personalities (Hannibal rarely shows reaction), those who don’t wield easily. He doesn’t find vulnerability attractive, hency why he likes to care for the vulnerable, as an attempt to overcompensate, probably. Hannibal is aware, that’s why he never shows vulnerability in front of Will, and when he did, it was lethal.
So Will might enjoy punishing as a kink, with a partner who doesn’t react, or asks for more. He seems good at humiliation, too (if Dolarhyde is anything to go by) + he’s incredibly arrogant.
Hannibal might enjoy surprising Will with weird ass equipment shoved into his holes. Will wouldn’t like it at first, but Hannibal would train him to enjoy it by associating it with pleasure and comfort. So this could look like trapping Will and experimenting with unusual toys or things not really meant for sex, but offering intense orgasms and comfort afterwards.
Will might enjoy Hannibal allowing him to tie him up, cuff him, and make cuts on his skin with a knife, while he verbally humiliates him. Hannibal naturally enjoys it because he enjoys Will enjoying him (that’s his kink lol)
That Bedelia was in love with Hannibal. And that Hobbs was weird towards Abigail but Will couldn’t see it because he was empathizing with Hobbs and he obviously did not perceive what he was doing as weird or incestuous, hence why Will said “he would never dishonor them like that”. That Will did not love Molly (he could not verbalize it) but he tried.
How would you characterize Hannibal's memory palace in terms of psychology?
The memory palace is a very real thing, anyone can do it. I do it and it’s so wonderful for many different reasons. It’s a great way to store memory, and for meditation as well. Of course, as anything, it could become an escape mechanism, but honestly I’m not really one to judge escapism since sometimes it’s all someone has.
Regarding Hannibal, I’d say it did serve as an escape, when he was in prison, as well as memorization and yes, he used it as an elegant way to fragment his painful memories as well.
Hello, hello! I dunno if you have already made an analysis on that topic but I would love to hear your thoughts on what kind of police officer was Will <33
Sorry for taking forever to reply! Great question. I think Will was a very reasonable yet skeptical cop. Definitely not the typical American cop who will target minorities for no reason, and I honestly don’t think he’d even bat an eye or waste time with anyone who didn’t pose an actual threat to themselves or others. I can see him as the type that would gently escort a homeless drug addicted woman into the vehicle to get her somewhere where she could get help, or would grumpily take a minor home after they tried to steal food. He would mostly be paying attention to actual criminals. But erratically so. He’d get his hunches and tremble as he brings the radio to his lips to ask for backup. Hands shaky on his gun, not because he was nervous but because he was scared of how eager he was to see blood.
Worst parallel to Will and Hannibal was definitely horse guy and Peter. Peter was genuinely good. Will was so eager to think they were the same, to empathize, feel less alone in his pain, yet…In the end, what matters most is exactly what he told Peter himself, “I envy your hate”. As much as Will wanted to relate to Peter, he still chooses to let his killer live. He would always choose his killer. And he knows. It’s why, when Hannibal suggests that Peter is in the same darkness as him, Will says “I’m alone in that darkness”.
