June 2013

Yo! So we were re-watching old flashes not too long ago, and my friends and we got to wondering, how Exactly did Jane enter the medium??

Well she enters here: http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=006565

If you’re talking about how the tree disappears/breaks to actually enter the medium, I assume Gcat was involved.

~Mod T

i'm planning on playing meenah at a panel, so does anyone have any resources i could use to better understand her character? kind of a dumb question, sorry

For anyone trying to get a better grasp of a character I would recommend visiting their page on the wikia, which has a list of all the pesterlogs they’ve been in and read all the pesterlogs.  I’d also recommend, especially for the Beforan trolls to go play any flash games they’ve been apart of.

in response to Jane's entry: Maybe Gcat shoving grandpa into space changed things altogether? The session would become void and never have a real reckoning since Skaia was destroyed and the kings were dead. The meteor portals never happen because Gcat forces the session to change for the other kids to arrive. In addition to this: the meteor does not hit or fade away in the seconds before it hits Jane, it simply vanishes.

That is a pretty good theory.

~Mod T

I sent an ask about the "troll teeth grow back" fact when you posted it, but I don't think it sent, so I'll try again. Equius was only 6 sweeps/13 years old at that time. He said his teeth "usually" grow back. Assuming that trolls loose teeth like humans do, Equius could have been knocking out baby teeth that grew back as adult teeth. The ones that haven't grown back could've already been adult teeth, so they'll never grow back.

That could be.

Or trolls could have several sets of teeth

Or their teeth could just keep growing back like sharks.

~Mod T

um, that last ask was kind of incorrect. the only meteors to go to B2 Earth were the eight that the babies were on, the frog temple, and the troll meteor. the thing coming towards her in "Jane: Enter" was the condesce's ship.

Does any Mod like Guidestuck?

I am a fan of guidestuck, yes.

~Mod T

Fenestrated portals are based on the windows from problem sleuth.

Thank you.

~Mod T

Dave isn't smiling in 004725, that's his nose.

We have received several messages about this.

Thank you to all who said it.

~Mod T

Wait if Karkat is a post scratch troll then ectobiologically isn't he Kankris father?

Yep.

~Mod T

I'm not sure where it was mentioned exactly, but Ive heard Lord English was originally meant to be beaten by slick as far back as the MNC intermission and that Betty Crocker (back before she was merged with the Condesce as one character or even before the condesce was thought up) was meant to be the main and final antagonist. But that during said intermission, Hussie altered his plans. Does anyone know if this is true or not?

Hussie didn’t originally plan to have trolls either.

Who knows, that could be true.

2spooky

~Mod T

If the Alternian trolls are Post-scratch and the Beforan trolls are pre-, and the Beta kids are Pre- and the alpha kids are post-, then (ecto?)Biologically Kankri is Karkats son, Meenah is Feferis daughter, etc. just a thought.

Technically speaking, yes, The Beforan trolls are the offspring of the Alternian trolls’ pre-scratch counterparts. 

~Mod T

hussie actually said he's had the entire plot of homestuck planned out from the start, lord english, the condensce, alpha/beta kids, everything. He's just changed stuff slightly as time has gone on to better fit with the evolving story

’ll take your word for it.

~Mod T

Untrue. He stated on his Tumblr that he did not start the comic with everything. God Tiers, for example, didn't become an idea for quite a bit.

Uh oh, I conflict in beliefs.

First one to get me proof wins.

~Mod T

I think that with the debate over whether or not Karkat is Kankri's father, you have to take into consideration that Karkat did the ectobiology thing, like John. Wouldn't that make him Kankri's son?

Not necessarily. We don’t know for sure who is who’s parental figure regarding the trolls. It really depends on who was cloned and who was ectobiologically made.  We assume that since the Beforans came first that is how it works out with the Beforan ancestors being the parents. 

We can’t be sure really.

~Mod T

On his formspring, he said he he planned out the basic concepts (such as Homestuck ultimately being a creation myth) and the ending from the beginning, as well as the kids interacting with the creators of their universe, but thought up most other details as he went along.

Okay, that’s nice.

But did you know that on the mspa forums Hussie said Davesprite was actually a baked potato the entire time?

We need sources people.

I appreciate all your opinions but the name of the blog is forgottenhsfacts and facts need real, credible sources and support.

Sorry, but that’s just the way it is.

~Mod T

omg k here's this link: dl[.]dropboxusercontent[.]com/u/40585720/Combined_Formspring_Web_Aug-28-2011[.]htm#andrewhussie448980558 also he talks a bit about planning on this page: andrewhussie[.]blogspot[.]com/2009/11/interrogative-remarks-followed-by[.]html if I ever find where he actually said no real planning, I'll get back to you

You are wonderful

Thank you

A+ follower

All the gold stars for you

And there you have it kids. Or part of it at least.

~Mod T

Also, none of the ecto-anythings have real parents or figures or anything. They created themselves, literally. Goo for trolls probably came from a mother grub and another version of each troll or some shit like that. Same goes for the kids.

Children are made from their parents’ dna

John and Jade were made from Jane and Jake’s dna

Therefore Jake and Jane are the biological parents of John and Jade.

I assume that the trolls are just copies of theirselves since they appear to be very similar to their dancestors physically.

But what do I know?

~Mod T

also just found this where he basically said the only thing he planned for the trolls was a group of players who created the kids' universe, so I guess there was that? not even clear if that was from the beginning or came up later, either. dl[.]dropboxusercontent[.]com/u/40585720/Combined_Formspring_Web_Aug-28-2011[.]htm#andrewhussie1158290610

Again, A+ follower

Thank you.

~Mod T

I think the trolls are mostly copies of their dancestors, with a little bit of others. Incestuous slurry and all that.

Most likely

~Mod T

I believe Aranea actually suggests that the Beforan trolls were created from the genetic mix of the Alternian trolls, rather than just being clones. Chiefly by suggesting she is Terezi's "ancestor" almost as much as she is Vriska's in their first conversation.

True, but then we’d have to start playing who was mixed with who. Which while it may be fun, can lead to some angry fans. So let’s not go there just yet.

~Mod T

nonon the way paradox clones work with the ectobiology shit is that basically jane is both jake's grandaughter and grandmother because homestuck. but that does mean that psifreezo is right in that SOME of the wectothigns have no parents. But Becquaral and Doc Scratch don't have paradoxical origins.

Jane and Nanna were the same baby. 

The baby was sent to two different points in time in two different universes.

One grew into Nanna and was cloned to create the baby in the first place.

The other grew into Jane.

Doc Scratch does have paradox origins.

Sn8wman ectobiologically made Doc Scratch

and without Doc Scratch Sn8wman wouldn’t have known how to do that, therefore creating a paradox

~Mod T

Actually, Doc Scratch involving himself with his own creation does not create a paradox, it is merely a sustained time loop. It's not a paradox until the time travel itself becomes impossible. If Doc creates his own origin, he cans still travel, if he destroys his origin, then we have a paradox.

Yes that.

~Mod T

the paradox with Bec's creation is that after a bec-prototyped Jack Noir got the trolls trapped on the meteor, Vriska mind controlled the dersite agents into taking the MEOW book to the ectobiology labs and making Bec with it (pages 004860-004964). She also was partly the cause of Bec getting prototyped (004875) which is also paradoxical and involves Bec.

Yeah, and wasn't it the "crystal ball" Jade had when she opened the chest in the beginning?

We aren’t sure. Presumably, yes. But a consort gave it to Rose so we can’t be 100%.

~Mod T

Pssst Kurloz isn't a beta troll~

Pardon moi, I skipped over that word in the submission.

~Mod T

'Tis ok dude! Just thought I'd let you know so you could sort it out before some dick came and gave you shit for it

Thank you for alerting me friendly anon ^_^

~Mod T

forgotten homestuck facts* (*facts may not be correct)

We try. Not everyone can be right 100% of the time like you,oh majestic anon.

~Mod T

could you tell me why the dancestors are called that?

It’s an abbreviation of Descendant and Ancestor.

“Due to the complexities in familial relationships from each player group considering themselves the descendants and their counterpart player group the ancestors, causing confusing terminology, the term originated as a portmanteau of descendant and ancestor as a single simple term to describe the relationship. It is likely that Porrim was referring primarily to troll players, possibly as a reference to the fact that it is not apparently known which set is the biological ancestry of the other.

By contrast, for the humans, it is known that the B2 kids are the parents of the B1 kids. However, as the term appears to mostly deal with the "perceived” direction of the relationships, it could be seen as applicable to the humans as well; as few of them are aware that their grandparents/ancestors are their children. Roxy has started to catch on to it after seeing Rose in a dream bubble for the second time. Jade has long since been aware that her “pen pal” is her grandson, but she has never indicated awareness that Jake is also her grandfather.“

~Mod T

wow holy shit that was seriously an asshole thing to do you could have just not posted that submission instead of being mean to that guy

Excuse me, no it wasn’t? I was just telling him it’s not a forgotten fact.  I meant no offense by it. If you took offense, then sorry I guess. 

~Mod T

I think that last anon was just making a joke and didn't actually mean any offense by it.

And I was just joking with them. Sarcastic humour doesn’t translate well over the internet, gomen.

~Mod T

Jade had a Magic Cue Ball in her chest in the beginning -- p=002703 is when we first see it, then she picks it and the Magic 8 Ball up and there's some exposition on it on p=002705. This is the first time the Magic Cue Ball shows up in the comic, and it is likely that Rose later came into possession of it, since I don't think there are very many of them in existence, and Mindfang/Vriska's exploded.

Bonus Fact: Doc Scratch once refereed to the Magic Cue Balls as his seeds.

~Mod T

Man, you're getting a lot of hate today. Bug off, anons.

Eh, I’m p bored so I don’t mind the h8.

~Mod T