April 2015

Are the planets assigned to each troll pre-decided by the game and their aspect or is it solely based on personality and traits?

Planets are assigned for classpect and personality since they are supposed to challenge the player and help them grow into their mythological role.

Today is the two year anniversary of me becoming a mod of this blog so to celebrate I drew all the post-scratch trolls in mspaint without any references and not allowing myself to erase or undo anything or spend more than half a minute on each one.  enjoy.

So there was foreshadowing that Gamzee was in lil Cal but was it about Arquiussprite being there too? was lil Cal always a dear friend to Dirk because a part of him was in there? what do you think?

Arquius had been hinted at by Doc Scratch. Doc Scratch was made from Lil Cal (so part of arquius). The Doc and Lil Hal speak very similarly and are both hyperintelligent. Also on page 005527 (sorry I’m on mobile and can’t link) Doc Scratch tells Rose to think of him as her human uncle and he participates in Equius’s signature “yes, no, yes, no” thing.

There is a more drawn out theory written by Bladekindeyewear a few years ago on the same topic that I would highly recommend checking out.

As for Dirk, he arrived with Cal, they’ve literally always been together. That was the only relationship he had until he met the other kids. You’d come to value a puppet as a friend too if that was the only type of interaction you had for years.

How exactly was Doc Scratch created, and what makes him tied so close to Lord English's legacy with the recent upd8?

Doc Scratch was ectobiologically created using Lil Cal and Vriska’s cueball. Lil Cal is LE’s entrance ticket to new universes since LE is located inside him.
So for a Betty Crocker metaphor. Essentially, Lil Cal is a pack of gushers, Doc Scratch is the actual gusher, and LE is the delicious juices inside that once released assault your taste buds with its sweat artificial wrath.

Ok so since Equius and ar sprite got sucked into cal and I guess became one soul ? Was that alpha Equius' soul? Because that means he is a part of lord english too??

Yes, most likely.

I'm confused on how sacrificial slabs work (That's why I asked about Aradia) could you please explain?

Quest Beds require you to have two lives alive to use it. The Sacrificial Slab only needs one, in every other way it’s exactly the same as a Quest Bed.

So wait, all of caliborns puppet show, hasnt happened yet right? Since he said he saw it on his screens. my question is, do his screens show him things from every timeline, or just the alpha?

Yes and Unknown.

so what are the current paths of the two Cals? Gamzee summoned them to torment Dave -> Rose flings him out the window -> Bro brings him to the ectobiology lab along with his rocketboard -> Baby dirk teleports away with him -> Dirk's one eventually becomes LE when filled as a juju and it becomes banished, but what's happened to Dave's one after it got in the green suit? Is it with Spades Slick and Ms Paint?

Dave’s ended up with Gamzee who used it to turn B2 Jack into Jack English. That Cal is pretty much done now.

I’m going to update my lil cal timeline and I’ll probably reblog it later today or tomorrow

So does this mean gamzee went insane cause a part of his soul (an insane part) has been cycling around the alpha timeline becoming part of Gamzee when he finds call and being physically removed and sucked back into lil cal?

When Gamzee looked into Cal’s eyes the piece of his soul in there probably told him everything he had to do for English to rise and that he was part his two mirthful messiahs. Which lead him to do everything he did and eventually end up right back there in Cal.

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Caliborn is, in essence, explaining the “final boss battle” the kids wage against him, which wraps up a number of longstanding mysteries of the comic

so here we go:

  1. John, using his retcon powers, warps himself and the other 7 God Tier kids to go battle Caliborn, ambushing him before he becomes Lord English.
  2. They fight Caliborn and Gamzee; Gamzee is cut in half in the ensuing fracas.
  3. Caliborn activates the Juju he received upon completing his quest, the Homestuck Logo Thingy; it’s power traps John, Rose, Dave, and Jade’s souls inside it.
  4. Caliborn uses the Ring of Void to banish the Juju to the Dream Bubbles, where Vriska found it. This completes a time loop in which John gets the retcon powers in the first place, only to later be sealed away in the very object that give him the powers.
  5. The remaining four kids battle Caliborn.
  6. Caliborn defeats all of them, but Jake’s hope powers activate and allow him to deal massive damage to Caliborn. Caliborn, angered but impressed, decides to rename himself Lord English.
  7. Unfortunately, since Caliborn is basically immortal, the attack still only stuns him.
  8. Arquius launches a sudden and unexpected counter-attack, ambushing Caliborn with robotic horses (as foreshadowed by Hussie here).
  9. While Arquius holds onto Caliborn, Dirk uses his soul powers to trap Caliborn’s soul inside Lil Cal. Unfortunately, Arquius and half of Gamzee are also pulled into Lil Cal in the process, creating the horrible abomination known as Lord English.
  10. Roxy tries to banish Caliborn’s soul forever by sending Lil Cal into the void, but this allows Lil Cal access to the multiverse, presumably because Caliborn had the Ring of Void. Lil Cal’s existence has always been a bit of an unexplained paradox, and this finally explains how he was able to appear in Dave’s nightmares.

where does this leave us?

Is what's happening in his right now the worst possibility that can happen in a game session

It’s pretty bad but I don’t think I’d say it’s the worst.  After all, at least not everyone is dead.

How did Gamzee get inside Lil' Cal? I just read the new update and everyone's talking about that, but I think I missed it

When Dirk stuck Caliborn and Arquius in Cal half of Gamzee got caught too. Caliborn didn’t say so in the naration so a lot of peps have been missing it.

Can a session that was created by a scratch, like the alpha kids' or Karkat's session, initiate a scratch?

I’m going to say no because a Scratch at it’s basic level just switches the ectobabies.  Once makes a difference, doing it a second time will just get the first results again and put the universe in an endless loop so I don’t Skaia would allow a second scratch.

Theoretically could somebody ascend twice using the Sacrificial Slabs?

No, Sacrificial Slabs only work if you have one life left.

So none of the beta trolls can ascend anymore because their moons were destroyed?

Right, they are forever mortal unless they find a way to reproduce their slabs

Wait I thought doc scratch was made alchemically, not ectobiologically. I know that bec was made with ectobiology, but lil cal is a puppet and a que ball is a que ball, (also maybe Dave's green suit?) both of which are inanimate, so doesn't it make more sense to alchemize them together? Because they're objects with no genetic code. The only time ectobiology would be involved was making him into a first guardian via the MEOW code. ...right?

Doc Scratch was also made with the t1ckt0ck8r8kH34DShonkHONK genetic code written by Tavros, Aradia, Terezi, Vriska, and Gamzee.

what about the slabs within derse/prospit? Dave and Rose had one life left but they ascended by dying on the quest beds within the planet.

Dave and Rose used their slabs to ascend in Cascade.

Seeing as Vriska isn't in the final battle (As well as all of the other Trolls), what do you theorize will they be doing as the final battle occurs.

My guess is that the trolls teamed up with the Condesce since they have a common enemy in English and are working to finished the Alpha kids’ session and create the new universe. That or the trolls sat out since most of them aren’t God Tier.

So as of now, what trolls are dead?

All the ancestors minus the Condesce, all the pre-scratch trolls, Tavros, Nepeta, Equius, Eridan, and Feferi

when is the next update coming?

While I know a lot of things, the future is not one of them.

Hang on, when was it stated that sacrifical slabs only can be used with one life left? I honestly can't remember seeing any mention of a ceretain amount of lives limiting the use of quest beds/cocoons or slabs.

It’s implied.  Every time a Quest Bed has been used the player had two lives, and every time a Sacrificial Slab has been used they’ve had one.  I guess it could just be a coincidence, but I doubt it. 

if caliborn was telling the story of his defeat then how was he going to fight yolobroth afterwards if he was stuck inside lil cal? how did he make the story in the first place even?

The story is set in the future.  Caliborn watched it happen on one of the many screens on his planet and then made his claymations about it.

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Lil'Cal Timeline Time


PRESCRATCH 

This Cal has the souls of Arquius, Gamzee, and Caliborn within him.

Lil’ Cal lands with Bro and lives with him.

Years pass then Dave starts playing Sburb. Cal is cut into pieces by Dave.

Bro repairs Cal and they enter the medium.

Bro is defeated by Bec Noir who take Cal as a trophy.

Bec Noir eventually enters the Trolls’ Universe where he throws Cal at an Aradiabot who is knocked through a portal into the past.

The damaged Cal is found by Aradia who gives him to Sollux who in turn gives it to Kanaya.

Kanaya repairs Cal and gives him a Felt suit.

The Trolls’ Black Queen uses Cal to ectobiologically make Doc Scratch

Sometime between when the trolls played Sgrub and arriving on the meteor Gamzee gets a hold of Cal.

Years later Gamzee sends Lil’ Cal to B2 Jack.  B2 Jack becomes cursed and turns into Jack English.

This version then dies.

POSTSCRATCH

This version of Cal is empty.

Lil’ Cal is sent back with Dirk and lives with him.

When Dirk is attacked by Crockerbots Lil’ Cal is dropped into the sea.

Years later during Caliborn’s session Cal is excavated by Gamzee and given to Caliborn.

During Caliborn’s fight with the Alpha kids Dirk traps Caliborn’s Arquiussprite and Gamzee’s souls in Lil’ Cal.

Roxy then sends Lil Cal into the void where he enters the nightmares of the unsuspecting.

Prompted by Gamzee’s chucklevoodoo Lil’ Cal enters Dave’s dreams.

Rose visits Dave’s Dreamself’s bedroom become unnerved by Cal and throws him out windows.

Rather than falling to his death be lands on Bro’s renegade rocket board which take him to the ectobiology lab.

There he is sent on the meteor alongside baby Dirk.

Repeat.

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Is it possible that since Cal is sent to two different universes, the post-scratch Cal dies since there can be only one, and so Dirk's Cal is simply an empty copy of its future self?

Yes, that’s exactly what happened/is happening/will happen.  Cal’s timeline is a paradox, looping, the same, forever.

In light of recent events, I'm a little confused about Doc Scratch. I see people saying that Doc Scratch was ARquiusprite, but if he was made using Lil' Cal, then shouldn't he be Caliborn/Gamzee/ARquiusprite, and not JUST ARquius?

Yes that’s true but he was definitely more Arquius than Caliborn or Gamzee, just how LE is more Caliborn.  

How do we know Equius is dead in the retcon timeline? I only remember seeing a dead Nepeta, but didn't see or get any mention of Equius.

If Gamzee killed Nepeta before Equius then Gamzee wouldn’t be alive.

errgh, which one is "post-scratch Cal?" :( Better yet, has anyone drawn an updated timeline chart for Lil Cal somewhere?

Post-Scratch Cal is the one with Dirk.  and not that I’ve seen but I’m sure one’ll pop up sooner or later.

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how old is john?? i thought he was 16 but people keep saying hes 19

John landed in 1996 so in real time he’s be 19, but it’s still 2012 in the story so in story he’s 16 just like all the rest of the kids.

how did we know that gamzee was actually sucked in? Caliborn never mentioned him, and we still see him on the ground in a page after caliborn is put into Cal

Gamzee was split in half, half of Gamzee got sucked in and half of him was left under the stage.

How many followers does this blog have????

I currently have 45,101.

Does this mean that "original" Cal started in the Alpha timeline because it was empty? Also to clarify when you said "repeat," does it mean: Cal starts off in alpha universe, eventually gets the souls of the 3 stuck in it, makes its way to the beta universe via bro(/dirk??), eventually dies, then repeats?

Repeat means start back at the top.  Cal doesn’t actually start anywhere, as a juju his origin is a paradox. His life cycle is a circle.

Didn't Jade's dreamself die saving John's therefore she still ascended without having an extra life?

Yes, but Jade’s dreamself came back to life in the form of Jadesprite.

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Cal’s travels (so far). Click for bigger/clearer.

For those that requested a visual chart. This has all the same info as my timeline post.

Does the clown magic mean Gamzee will regrow his other-half (Considering the amount of times he should have died) and there'll be two Gamzees?

After the upd8 we can know that the reason that Gamzee was actually immortal was because he had to be there to get his soul sucked into Lil Cal and become part of Lord English.  So now that that’s happened Gamzee shouldn’t be immortal anymore.

Is Homestuck officially over now?

Homestuck will never be over

so then when DS tells Karkat not to turn his back on the body is the Equius warning him to not let Gamzee steal the bodies?

I think it’s more of a call back to Caliborn’s fight with the Alpha kids where he turned his back then one of the bodies got back up.  Which would happen with Kanaya.

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well if that’s the case since we watched Cal get filled up with souls does that mean there’s a part in his life cycle where he gets emptied of souls?

Yes, where his timeline splits being sent back with ectobaby Dirk.  Pre-scratch Cal keeps the souls and Post-scratch didn’t. This is probably due to the fact that two of the same juju can’t exist at the same time without of one them being an illusion or doomed to be destroyed.

why do you think LE's eyes weren't flashing during the battle?

Too much work for Caliborn.

Could u maybe put a link to the FAQ for us mobile users?

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If Cal's existance is basically just a circle that just starts over and over again, does that mean that there could be multiple Caliborns/Gamzees/Equiuses inside that puppet??? Or am I missing something, cuz that don't exactly sound right...

Lil Cal’s timeline splits during the Scratch so there are two Lil’ Cals at the same time and the souls can’t go into both so they go into one and the other one is empty.  The one with the souls has it’s eyes ripped out and is probably destroyed and the one without them get the souls put in by Dirk.

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How would that explain him being immortal?

He needed to be alive to fulfill the timeloop.  If Gamzee died then Lord English wouldn’t exist since Gamzee setup Caliborn’s home, created ARquiusprite and became part of English himself.

why is AR so smart? at least why is he to the fandom?

He’s a super computer capable of solving pi

If Gamzee said that the true messiahs where both "him :o) and also motherfucking him Do:" what do you think will happen to the other half?

The messiahs are Doc Scratch and Lord English which he becomes a part of just by being in Cal so his other half might just stay dead.

No, the mirthful messiahs are Caliborn and Calliope. That's why he raised Calliope just the same and never gave Caliborn any advantages. He's even shown to like the Callie baby more than the Cal baby.

When it comes to raising babies you’d prefer a calm baby to one that’s always scratching and biting. But here’s something from an archive of Hussie’s old deleted tumblr saying that Doc Scratch and LE are the messiahs:

LE has always been around influencing troll culture from the start, and it seems he was always the embodiment of the mirthful messiahs the highbloods worshiped, since he was really two beings, Doc Scratch and LE, both “mirthful” puppet-based entities, in their own ways. Gamzee’s honking, the humorous brutality of the subjugglators and their dark spiritual beliefs, all could be traced to LE.“

Wait so when Caliborn trapped the beta kids in the juju and then sent it to the furthest ring does he send it to the location where vriska and the others find it, leading to John touching it and getting his retcon powers?

Yes

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Do you happen to know the page that featured the midnight crew song? I can't seem to find it. Thanks :D

That would be [S] DD: Ascend more casually.

I though Gamzee was already cut in half by Kanaya, so why is he still alive and dies basically the same way in the upd8?

That was in [S] Game Over which didn’t happen since John changed stuff with his retcon powers.

Are the retcon powers an inherent property of Caliborn's house juju or are they only transferred to John because John, who has retcon powers, is trapped in the house juju?

It could be either.