Today is the two year anniversary of me becoming a mod of this blog so to celebrate I drew all the post-scratch trolls in mspaint without any references and not allowing myself to erase or undo anything or spend more than half a minute on each one. enjoy.
So there was foreshadowing that Gamzee was in lil Cal but was it about Arquiussprite being there too? was lil Cal always a dear friend to Dirk because a part of him was in there? what do you think?
Arquius had been hinted at by Doc Scratch. Doc Scratch was made from Lil Cal (so part of arquius). The Doc and Lil Hal speak very similarly and are both hyperintelligent. Also on page 005527 (sorry I’m on mobile and can’t link) Doc Scratch tells Rose to think of him as her human uncle and he participates in Equius’s signature “yes, no, yes, no” thing.
There is a more drawn out theory written by Bladekindeyewear a few years ago on the same topic that I would highly recommend checking out.
As for Dirk, he arrived with Cal, they’ve literally always been together. That was the only relationship he had until he met the other kids. You’d come to value a puppet as a friend too if that was the only type of interaction you had for years.
How exactly was Doc Scratch created, and what makes him tied so close to Lord English's legacy with the recent upd8?
Doc Scratch was ectobiologically created using Lil Cal and Vriska’s cueball. Lil Cal is LE’s entrance ticket to new universes since LE is located inside him.
So for a Betty Crocker metaphor. Essentially, Lil Cal is a pack of gushers, Doc Scratch is the actual gusher, and LE is the delicious juices inside that once released assault your taste buds with its sweat artificial wrath.
Ok so since Equius and ar sprite got sucked into cal and I guess became one soul ? Was that alpha Equius' soul? Because that means he is a part of lord english too??
I'm confused on how sacrificial slabs work (That's why I asked about Aradia) could you please explain?
Quest Beds require you to have two lives alive to use it. The Sacrificial Slab only needs one, in every other way it’s exactly the same as a Quest Bed.
So wait, all of caliborns puppet show, hasnt happened yet right? Since he said he saw it on his screens. my question is, do his screens show him things from every timeline, or just the alpha?
so what are the current paths of the two Cals? Gamzee summoned them to torment Dave -> Rose flings him out the window -> Bro brings him to the ectobiology lab along with his rocketboard -> Baby dirk teleports away with him -> Dirk's one eventually becomes LE when filled as a juju and it becomes banished, but what's happened to Dave's one after it got in the green suit? Is it with Spades Slick and Ms Paint?
Dave’s ended up with Gamzee who used it to turn B2 Jack into Jack English. That Cal is pretty much done now.
I’m going to update my lil cal timeline and I’ll probably reblog it later today or tomorrow
So does this mean gamzee went insane cause a part of his soul (an insane part) has been cycling around the alpha timeline becoming part of Gamzee when he finds call and being physically removed and sucked back into lil cal?
When Gamzee looked into Cal’s eyes the piece of his soul in there probably told him everything he had to do for English to rise and that he was part his two mirthful messiahs. Which lead him to do everything he did and eventually end up right back there in Cal.
Caliborn is, in essence, explaining the “final boss battle” the kids wage against him, which wraps up a number of longstanding mysteries of the comic
so here we go:
John, using his retcon powers, warps himself and the other 7 God Tier kids to go battle Caliborn, ambushing him before he becomes Lord English.
They fight Caliborn and Gamzee; Gamzee is cut in half in the ensuing fracas.
Caliborn activates the Juju he received upon completing his quest, the Homestuck Logo Thingy; it’s power traps John, Rose, Dave, and Jade’s souls inside it.
Caliborn uses the Ring of Void to banish the Juju to the Dream Bubbles, where Vriska found it. This completes a time loop in which John gets the retcon powers in the first place, only to later be sealed away in the very object that give him the powers.
The remaining four kids battle Caliborn.
Caliborn defeats all of them, but Jake’s hope powers activate and allow him to deal massive damage to Caliborn. Caliborn, angered but impressed, decides to rename himself Lord English.
Unfortunately, since Caliborn is basically immortal, the attack still only stuns him.
Arquius launches a sudden and unexpected counter-attack, ambushing Caliborn with robotic horses (as foreshadowed by Hussie here).
While Arquius holds onto Caliborn, Dirk uses his soul powers to trap Caliborn’s soul inside Lil Cal. Unfortunately, Arquius and half of Gamzee are also pulled into Lil Cal in the process, creating the horrible abomination known as Lord English.
Roxy tries to banish Caliborn’s soul forever by sending Lil Cal into the void, but this allows Lil Cal access to the multiverse, presumably because Caliborn had the Ring of Void. Lil Cal’s existence has always been a bit of an unexplained paradox, and this finally explains how he was able to appear in Dave’s nightmares.
where does this leave us?
Lord English is continuing his multiversal rampage
the Beta Kids are trapped inside the Homestuck Logo Thingy, which is currently in the possession of either Meenah or Aradia
the Alpha kids are stuck on Caliborn’s planet without John to teleport them away
the surviving Trolls, who did not come with the Alpha kids, are probably stuck with the Condesce, who is continuing her plan to complete the Alpha kid’s session and create a new universe to rule over
How did Gamzee get inside Lil' Cal? I just read the new update and everyone's talking about that, but I think I missed it
When Dirk stuck Caliborn and Arquius in Cal half of Gamzee got caught too. Caliborn didn’t say so in the naration so a lot of peps have been missing it.
Can a session that was created by a scratch, like the alpha kids' or Karkat's session, initiate a scratch?
I’m going to say no because a Scratch at it’s basic level just switches the ectobabies. Once makes a difference, doing it a second time will just get the first results again and put the universe in an endless loop so I don’t Skaia would allow a second scratch.
Wait I thought doc scratch was made alchemically, not ectobiologically. I know that bec was made with ectobiology, but lil cal is a puppet and a que ball is a que ball, (also maybe Dave's green suit?) both of which are inanimate, so doesn't it make more sense to alchemize them together? Because they're objects with no genetic code. The only time ectobiology would be involved was making him into a first guardian via the MEOW code. ...right?
Doc Scratch was also made with the t1ckt0ck8r8kH34DShonkHONK genetic code written by Tavros, Aradia, Terezi, Vriska, and Gamzee.
Seeing as Vriska isn't in the final battle (As well as all of the other Trolls), what do you theorize will they be doing as the final battle occurs.
My guess is that the trolls teamed up with the Condesce since they have a common enemy in English and are working to finished the Alpha kids’ session and create the new universe. That or the trolls sat out since most of them aren’t God Tier.
Hang on, when was it stated that sacrifical slabs only can be used with one life left? I honestly can't remember seeing any mention of a ceretain amount of lives limiting the use of quest beds/cocoons or slabs.
It’s implied. Every time a Quest Bed has been used the player had two lives, and every time a Sacrificial Slab has been used they’ve had one. I guess it could just be a coincidence, but I doubt it.
if caliborn was telling the story of his defeat then how was he going to fight yolobroth afterwards if he was stuck inside lil cal? how did he make the story in the first place even?
The story is set in the future. Caliborn watched it happen on one of the many screens on his planet and then made his claymations about it.
Is it possible that since Cal is sent to two different universes, the post-scratch Cal dies since there can be only one, and so Dirk's Cal is simply an empty copy of its future self?
Yes, that’s exactly what happened/is happening/will happen. Cal’s timeline is a paradox, looping, the same, forever.
In light of recent events, I'm a little confused about Doc Scratch. I see people saying that Doc Scratch was ARquiusprite, but if he was made using Lil' Cal, then shouldn't he be Caliborn/Gamzee/ARquiusprite, and not JUST ARquius?
Yes that’s true but he was definitely more Arquius than Caliborn or Gamzee, just how LE is more Caliborn.
how did we know that gamzee was actually sucked in? Caliborn never mentioned him, and we still see him on the ground in a page after caliborn is put into Cal
Gamzee was split in half, half of Gamzee got sucked in and half of him was left under the stage.
Does this mean that "original" Cal started in the Alpha timeline because it was empty? Also to clarify when you said "repeat," does it mean: Cal starts off in alpha universe, eventually gets the souls of the 3 stuck in it, makes its way to the beta universe via bro(/dirk??), eventually dies, then repeats?
Repeat means start back at the top. Cal doesn’t actually start anywhere, as a juju his origin is a paradox. His life cycle is a circle.
Does the clown magic mean Gamzee will regrow his other-half (Considering the amount of times he should have died) and there'll be two Gamzees?
After the upd8 we can know that the reason that Gamzee was actually immortal was because he had to be there to get his soul sucked into Lil Cal and become part of Lord English. So now that that’s happened Gamzee shouldn’t be immortal anymore.
so then when DS tells Karkat not to turn his back on the body is the Equius warning him to not let Gamzee steal the bodies?
I think it’s more of a call back to Caliborn’s fight with the Alpha kids where he turned his back then one of the bodies got back up. Which would happen with Kanaya.
well if that’s the case since we watched Cal get filled up with souls does that mean there’s a part in his life cycle where he gets emptied of souls?
Yes, where his timeline splits being sent back with ectobaby Dirk. Pre-scratch Cal keeps the souls and Post-scratch didn’t. This is probably due to the fact that two of the same juju can’t exist at the same time without of one them being an illusion or doomed to be destroyed.
If Cal's existance is basically just a circle that just starts over and over again, does that mean that there could be multiple Caliborns/Gamzees/Equiuses inside that puppet??? Or am I missing something, cuz that don't exactly sound right...
Lil Cal’s timeline splits during the Scratch so there are two Lil’ Cals at the same time and the souls can’t go into both so they go into one and the other one is empty. The one with the souls has it’s eyes ripped out and is probably destroyed and the one without them get the souls put in by Dirk.
He needed to be alive to fulfill the timeloop. If Gamzee died then Lord English wouldn’t exist since Gamzee setup Caliborn’s home, created ARquiusprite and became part of English himself.
No, the mirthful messiahs are Caliborn and Calliope. That's why he raised Calliope just the same and never gave Caliborn any advantages. He's even shown to like the Callie baby more than the Cal baby.
When it comes to raising babies you’d prefer a calm baby to one that’s always scratching and biting. But here’s something from an archive of Hussie’s old deleted tumblr saying that Doc Scratch and LE are the messiahs:
Wait so when Caliborn trapped the beta kids in the juju and then sent it to the furthest ring does he send it to the location where vriska and the others find it, leading to John touching it and getting his retcon powers?
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Are the retcon powers an inherent property of Caliborn's house juju or are they only transferred to John because John, who has retcon powers, is trapped in the house juju?