April 2017

If lime bloods could calm people down then why can't karkat a mutated lime blood do the same?

A: Karkat being a mutant lime blood isn’t canon

B: He kinda did with Gamzee

During most of homestuck it feels like the story was made up as it went along, but is this true?

Actions in Act 1 through Act 3 were determined by mspaforum user suggestions. So yes, it was literally made up as it went along.

yo at p=009402 there's this dialogue "DAVE: so DAVE: you are my biological mother ROXY: yes DAVE: and roses ROXY: yes DAVE: and therefore bear at least partial and like biologically incidental responsibility for why we are both so fucked up." Do you have any idea what he means by "so fucked up"? thanks!

He could means like different? He could also be referencing illnesses as in Rose’s predisposition to addiction could have been passed on genetically from Roxy, Dave’s issues seem more environmentally based but he could also have had an underlying  mental condition that he inherited from Dirk.

But knowing Dave he was probably just making a joke about how parents are the reason for everything that’s wrong with their kids.

Is wayward vagabond technically the only character who has not died?

Well I mean, he likely died in the GAME OVER timeline. He was on Dave’s planet when it got all smashed up.

so they get a few years of normalness, and then get sucked into juju, and then thats the end of their story?

as far as we know, yeah.

i didnt understand the end of the end credits. why did john smash his own phone? why were gamz/cal snapping him?

John was angry boy, Gamzee and Caliborn were taunting him cuz they’re jerks

why is Lord English's name English? And not Lord Caliborn ?

i thought wv died and then fef revived him at some point?

there was no DEAD text that accompanies most deaths so it was likely he was only at death’s door and Fef healed him

what " underlying mental condition" are you talking about? :0

Dirky boy definitely has something, mad Depression for sure. I’ve seen arguments for him having NPD.  But  Dave doesn’t really shown signs of that. He’s got more of a depression fueled inferiority complex.

doesn't rose also have autism?

Not canonically

What about Nepeta? Does her hat biting count as stimming?

It could. Karkat calls her autistic once but that could have just been him being a jerk. Nepeta being autistic is not 100% canon confirmed.

if this is known, would a session with only a Void and Breath player be dysfunctional? and, would the underlings be normal, or skeletal as shown in jane and co's session?

It would be dysfunctional as they have not space player.

The underlings would only be skeletons if they didn’t prototype anything pre-entry

Does Glubglub exist on Beforus? Also did Meenah give any information on what her lusus was like?

Glubglub was not, she was placed on Alternia by Doc Scratch.  And I don’t believe so, she likely was raised by members of the Beforan Feferi’s court since Beforus was a less competitive society

A follow-up to the ask about underlying mental disorders; doesn't Rose at one point mention how Dave is mentally unstable? I have a vague memory of them talking about Rose being a therapist or something similar, I'm not sure. Do we ever get any further information about what she meant by that or were they just joking around?

Yeah, Rose theorized Dave had antisocial personality disorder, which you’re free to think if you like.

Is there any characther with a happy ending?

WV and PM seem to have a nice ending.

do you remember than floating mouse hand from the begging of homestuck? the on that picked up the cake from john's chest?? what the hell was that? it never appears in the comic ever after

Homestuck is a computer game. That was our cursor interacting with the story. You can see the MSPA reader at their computer a few times throughout the story. As well as the actual Homestuck disks and cartridge in late A5A2 and Mid-Act 6 respectively 

so if grandma english named herself after the condescensions boss and lord english named himself after jake.... the name english has no origin?

Exactly

Do we ever see Crab dad die?

Well, we see an explosion and then Crabdad dead in the next page so yes but technically no

did terezi give john the scarf before or after he went to the denizen to master his zapp powers?

After! John comes back and has a short conversation with John before John leaves and Terezi gives him the scarf.

does any of the hs characters have any disorder canonically?

Caliborn has something, and Latula takes meds for some disorder, and probably some 3rd or possibly even 4th character I’ve neglected to mention.

what happened to capchalog? im pretty sure it disappeared sometime after act 2

It’s still in use. It just became less talked about. People were shown captachaloging stuff well into Act 6 but the narrative didn’t always explicitly say so.

Do you think Terezi will find Vriska, or is it possible that Vriska, along with all the other dead doomed selves, was sucked into the black hole created by Alt-Calliope?

I think’s anything and all things are possible in one timeline or another

when/where did 'WEESNAW' come from

that’s what Mystery the seahorse said on the Spongebob cartoon animated television show that one time back in 2002 and Eridan’s dad is also an seahorse

can you explain the exiles ? what was their purpose in the story/why were they created

Their purpose was to assist the players but also to repopulate their abandoned home planet. The later is shown with Alternia and Spades Slick

would u mind quoting the lines where it says latula takes meds for smthng? or maybe just explain the context if thats too tedious

PORRIM: I just think yo+u sho+uld be yo+urself mo+re o+ften. We already kno+w yo+u are stro+ng and go+o+d at games and all that. Yo+u have no+thing to+ pro+ve.

LATULA: y34h. your3 prob4bly r1ght.
LATULA: 1ts k1nd of str3ssful som3t1m3s, k33p1ng 1t up! som3t1m3s 1 forg3t to put z33s on th3 3nd of words, 4nd 1 r34lly str3ss out 4bout 1t.
 #sp3c14lly wh3n 1m off my m3ds

doesn't karkat have insomania?

I mean, he forced himself to stay up. He coulda gone to sleep if he wanted.. I’m not sure if that counts

in the disorder question you forgot mituna and jade (she canonically has "sporadic fits of NARCOLEPSY") you could argue that dave does too

Right! How in the world could I forget Mituna??

But Jade, Jade doesn’t actually have Narcolepsy, that was just Vriska fucking with her

So Dave canonly had a crush on/ romantic feelings for jade right?

hm, debatable. Davesprite Dave definitely did so you could argue Alpha Dave did but it’s not confirmed so, debatable.

Did Kanaya canonically have flushed feelings only for light players?

Yep yep yep

I know Hussie "said" Davekat was canon, but he also said all fantrolls are canon, and made a joke about how they conflict with canon. No one even takes the fantroll thing seriously, so unless Hussie singled out the fantroll thing as a joke, I don't see how it's fair to take Davekat seriously. (I'm really just clinging to whatever hope I can get for Davejade. Davejade is really the only thing I ship and I refuse the let go. I can't.)

Okay, I hear you, but have you considered: Davejadekat?

1. what are fantrolls? 2. why do you think john is depressed in the credits? or is he even depressed?

Fantrolls are trolls made by fans.

I think he misses his Dad, but you don’t always need a reason to be depressed

where in the comic does it say that calliope / caliborn are 11 units

Hussie said it in a now deleted tweet that I absolutely for my life, cannot find a screencap of

i mean it. is canon? like w/ vriskagram n the snaps n stuff. it is literally canon

I’m with you man, I think it’s canon too. But some people could interpret it differently, which isn’t necessarily wrong. We never see them kiss or outright say they’re dating so,, yeah,

Didn't jasprosesprite and nepeta talk about how Dave and Karkat were dating? And I think Vriska and maybe even John said something about it too?

Jasprose referenced that Karkat was dating someone but that could have just been a cagey response to convince Nepeta that Karkat wasn’t available and that she should date them instead.

Vriska suspected that Dave and Karkat were involved in one quadrant or another, whether that be Flushed or Pale

And John asked Dave if he was gay, and he said no but that doesn’t mean he’s not something else.

I mean we never see Korra and Asami kiss or say they're dating and the creators confirmed they totally are and people still deny it. Shippers hang on to whatever scrap of denial they can find and nothing short of Dave saying "i romantically love karkat vantas were not just friends" would change their mind.

Which y’know, it shouldn’t matter if your ship is canon or not. Like you can still ship it, it’s totally fine.  I mean, I ship this unholy abomination which will absolutely never ever be canon and it’s absolutely chill. Just because your ship isn’t canon doesn’t mean it’s any less valid or that you can’t ship it anymore (despite what some shipping elitists might tell you).

Davepeta said that the Dave side of them felt right about having ROMANTIC feelings for Karkat. Also are you saying that the whole part with Roxy asking Dave if he had ever kissed anyone/was in love while Rose was egging him on was just nothing? Come on, man.

Again man, I’m with you guys, I don’t ship Davekat but I do think it’s canon, but I’m the facts guy, I’m just giving facts and different ways they can be read, gotta try to be impartial.

Hi, I'm an avid davejadekat shipper and I've seen many dav//ekats saying that Dave and karkat are both "uncomfortable" in poly ships. However I have yet to see proof of this. Could you hook me up with something? (If there is anything)

They’re probably referencing the time when Dave and Terezi were dating and Karkat trying to convince Dave that they could share her based on Quadrant Vacillation (like Dave could date her flushed when Karkat was feeling black on her and Dave could kinda just leave the equation when Karkat started feeling red) but Dave didn’t understand Quadrant System (side step: which is why he inevitably broke up with TZ) but aside from the non-understanding of the system, Terezi wasn’t even apart of the conversation and it was bad.

But we’re dealing with a much different and understanding Dave post-retcon and also a human polyamorous relationship and not a troll quadrant vacillation system so who knows.

C'mon guys this is forgotten homestuck facts not current and never ending homestuck shipping wars. It's a fun place where we can learn things we didn't know, not a place to make mods go through every scrap of information to prove a point, or disguise arguments as questions. Just let it go and ship what you want, it's a fictional world guys.

I mean, I go through scraps of information to prove a point all the time on this blog, but other than that, yeah

..Did you not read that conversation between John, Dave and Karkat where Dave was visibly jealous by Karkat bringing up his past black crush on John? Or remember when Dave broke up with Terezi BECAUSE he was uncomfortable with her dating Gamzee at the same time? Also that part about penis ouija, right before that Karkat had a conversation where he said he wanted her "in every quadrant" specifically so that he "could have her all to himself" and compared it to joke characters in troll romcoms

A. I don’t think it’s that uncommon for a person to get jealous or flustered or whatever when their partner brings up an old flame or crush

B. Dave broke up with Terezi because she didn’t tell him she was also hatedating Gamzee and he didn’t understand it.

C.That doesn’t really factor into potential polyamory but rather highlights Karkat’s weird obsession and idealization of Terezi

what do we know about classpects

So much but not nearly enough

I don't quite remember dave and terezi dating? when did that happen?

Pre-retcon Act 6, they dated for about a year I believe

Considering Signless/Disciple was outside of the quadrants and monogamous it seems to suggest that Karkat is also naturally monogamous and that's why he felt that way about Terezi, not that it was specifically something unhealthy by itself. Cause at that point you're saying that monogamy is unhealthy.

Okay now you’re just twisting my words, I’m done talking about this topic

hi could you link to that panel where dave is talking to dirk about being bisexual by citing his past crush on john and also jade as a friendly reminder to people that dave is, in fact, bisexual in canon?

Okay, I’ll link the panel, but he likely wasn’t saying he had a crush on John and Jade, he was asking Dirk how to tell them about his sexuality because he ends that conversation with “how did you tell your friends”.

Yeah, uh. Not only does the wiki outright say it's canon (so no, other interpretations are really not valid, if you have an issue about that go talk to them), Karkat's ancestor was panquadrant as well, so when he says "I want someone in every quadrant" on top of all the foreshadowing and never retracts it, there's no reason to dismiss that.

voidfire said:    Also, offering a poly ship feat. two characters who both expressed wanting a monogamous partner (no, Dave literally said they broke up because he couldn’t handle her having someone “on the side”) especally one that erases their queer narritive (as well as Jade’s, but since when does anyone care about her expressed discomfort with it), as a ‘solution’ to a homophobe ranting about it, is kinda shitty, ngl   

 wow, okay, you are making way to big a deal about this, like chill out man, we’re talking about fictional characters smoochin, like geez

Look. I don’t ship Davekat, I don’t ship Davejade or Davekatjade or jadekat, I don’t ship any of those characters with anybody (except maybe kar<>kan). I do not give a shit about this.

I am just posting facts from the story. If you say so-an-so is monogamous or so-an-so isn’t, I reply with facts that may imply “not necessarily”, I’m not saying they’re polya or not because the narrative doesn’t, I’m keeping the door open for everyone to believe what they like, as is the nature of Homestuck. And if it looks like I have a bias towards davekat, I don’t, but maybe the narrative of homestuck does.

>Makes a blog about obscure homestuck facts >Says totally noncanon stuff to appease shippers and push their ship >Gets contradictory canon facts pointed out to them >"Lol you're getting too into this, why do you care haha" Mfw Btw, no, actually. Plenty of pages on the wiki are locked and any edits of that sort are reverted unless they can be proven. The talk pages explain exactly why it's considered canon.

So is Dirk/Kanaya canon? :/

Now there’s a buddy ship with lots of potential

>jokingly replies with “how about davejadekat” as a compromise to someone saying they aren’t a fan of davekat because they prefer davejade

>accidentally starts a several hour long discussion about ships and whether character of poly or not

I should honestly know better after five years of this shit

Does mod T is gay?

very

I'm not really bothered by davejadekat but I do think there's a more elegant answer to having davejade, which is...javepeta. Since Davesprite and Jade have a comic-long romantic subplot that incorporates both of their characters and issues, and I think it's pretty sad that thoroughline has gone mostly ignored. I'll submit what I wrote about them @ you if only because I really think it's worth considering this angle insofar as thinking about Jade's arc in canon and why it went the way it went.

That’s a good ship too.