aren't the betas somehow also the alphas' biological parents too, or something? i was pretty sure the parentage went both ways due to ectobiological shenanigans
Not genetically but John technically created all the kids so he could be considered the Large Father.
wait that chart is actually weird to me. there's no line connecting jane an jake or roxy and dirk. does this mean the Alpha kids are not considered siblings?
the wiki says that in the B2 universe, the roles are reversed (dave and rose are roxy and dirk's parents, poppop and grandma english are jake and jane's parents). it's under "ectobiology", click "post-scratch" above the diagram at the bottom
They are their “parents” socially since they arrived earlier, but not genetically. Like how the Ancestors are technically the spawn of Karkat’s group.
also didn't karkat say he didn't remember which group he created first in the lab?? so they have no way of knowing which group would be the ectobiological "ancestors" and which would be the "descendants"
On this page Doc Scratch states that Meenah’s group were “to become the ancestors of the twelve they formerly regarded as theirs, and this twelve would be chosen for glory.” This is what happened with the Beta kids when they scratched as well. The descendants played but didn’t succeed so they scratched and their “parents” took their place as the players in the new session. So Meenah’s group are the descendants of Karkat’s group and Karkat and his friends are paradox clones.
So I was reading a part where Roxy is making a ball of spikes to repopulate the troll population and help the condesce take over because if not Jade would kill her over and over again. But. Wouldn't she die completely because it would be just and heroic? The justice would be her preventing the race from it's population, and the heroic part would be her not letting the condesce have an army.
A godtier dies permanently is the death is Just or Heroic, not both. Roxy would revive if she was tortured by Grimbark Jade because she’s not evil so killing her wouldn’t be Just and getting your organs teleported out repeatedly isn’t very Heroic. The Condesce wanted Roxy to summon the Matriorb because the troll race is endangered and she doesn’t want them to die out completely. Also, she wants a new population to rule over.
Regarding the talk of the guardians, why is there dad? Like we have the four guardians for each of the four players in the alpha universe, but there's just... Dad?!?! Why father why
Dad Egbert was the son of Nanna and some unidentified suitor. Dad Crocker was the son of Poppop and some unidentified wife.
The Vast Glub is a shock wave of psychic energy that was released by Feferi’s lusus before she died. It killed the entire troll race except for the Condesce and the eleven troll heroes who made it into the Medium before it was released. Karkat didn’t get Sollux into the Medium in time and he died. Feferi revived him afterwards.
Are the rings of life and void the same ring? If not how was the ring of life created? I know the void ring came from the alpha kid's session but I can't remember where the life ring came from
The Ring of Life would be the White Queen’s ring from the Alpha kids’ session
Why did lowas explode?? (When dave sprite and John die)
Typheus knew another John from the pre retcon time line would bring his Lowas with him into the post retcon timeline. Also, Jade spending three years by herself without John or Davesprite was the price Typheus warned would happen. Because John was able to edit the timeline himself his friends had to feel the same loss he did.
Hey, what's with all those kernelsprites roaming around? How did they appear? And will there be enough to revive all the dead characters?
The kernelsprites belong the the Alpha kids. In the post-retcon timeline Tavris, Fefeta, and Erisol sprites were never prototyped so there were 3 empty ones. Vriska prototyped Tavros in one of them so now there’s Tavrosprite, Jaspersprite prototyped dead pre-retcon Rose and himself in another, and the third one is still empty but it probably won’t be for much longer.
is the red and black dirk-like robot boy an actual canon character or was he just made up because it's boring to draw a pair of glasses when you want to draw AR?
It was popular humanized AR in the fandom that worked it’s way into one flash.
In regards to the kernelsprites, shouldn't there be four because there are four alpha kids? I know one is Tavrosprite, one is Jasprosesprite^2, and a third will probably be used to revive Nepeta, but what about a fourth kernelsprite? Am I forgetting something?
You’re forgetting about Arquiusprite which is Dirk’s sprite.
(i'm so sorry if this has already been answered) How was the scratch initiated? I know that Bro tried, and I know that Damara had the needle kind Specibus. So i thought it might have been Damara?? Also, When the scratch was initiated, Why weren't John, Jade, Dave, and Rose erased from existence like the pre-scratch trolls were? (again, I'm so sorry if this has already been answered)
John initiated the scratch using the needles and the needle kind strife specibus. The Beta kids weren’t erased from existence because they were able to escape their session before the Scratch finished. John and Jade went through a fenestrated window to the Furthest Ring and Dave and Rose traveled there in Derse’s moon.
So question, when condy had all of her powers in the GO!timeline, did she somehow just have them? Or did she get them by taking position of the black queen and wearing the ring which gave her the powers of whatever the kids prototyped?
Why exactly are things between Dirk and Dave so awkward currently? Is it their personalities, the situation or...?
This is tough to explain. Dave has mixed feelings towards his Bro after reflecting on all the abuse and hypermasculine life style he made Dave lead which he explained a couple weeks ago. Dirk is just awful at talking to people in person, plus it was only a few hours ago that he realized how shitty he’d been towards Jake in their relationship. Basically both parties are insecure and not sure how to approach one another.
This is a really bad character analysis. Dave and Dirk are not characters that I can go on and on in detail about their mindsets and the reasons they do things. So I apologies for that.
When in the timeline did Aradia God Tier? I thought her dream self was on a sacrificial slab in the center of Derse but Derse blew up when she was still Aradia bot right?
Yes and Aradiabot exploded when her dreamself died and ascended