September 2017

Do you think it would be possible for an adult troll to still be on Alternia? (Like, obviously in hiding 'n stuff.)

I supposed so

Why no troll but aradia and vriska go god tier?

They worked too well as a team. Vriska thinks that if they had kept with the Red vs Blue thing that more of them would have died and ascended.

how was lord english formed? sorry bad english

You english is perfectly formed *badum tsss*

But Lord English was formed when Dirk put Caliborn, Arquius, and Gamzee’s souls into Lil Cal. That essence was then used to create Doc Scratch which allowed Lord English to enter the story using his body after he died

I'm kind of iffy on the whole Lord English's creation story. Are we really sure that's the case, when Caliborn was the one to tell it? He's an incredibly unreliable narrative, and it sounds like the kind of story that he would tell to boost his already massive ego, and give LE's creation more importance.

I mean, his wording on the situation was definitely to paint himself in a good light but all the events that happen line up with the characters’ personalities and other story beats so it’s all likely true.

Is there any clue what would happen if a god tiered (via quest bed) player died on their sacrificial slab?

Probably nothing, they’d just come back to life

has it ever been explained in any HS canon *WHY* the condescension orders adult trolls off-world? and is it ever explained how business and the education system work without adults to operate them? or are we waiting for hiveswap to save us

She spread out the adults so that it would be more difficult for them to start any more rebellions. Businesses are run by kids, we don’t really know much about their schools.

So, about the "people don't understand ectobiology" thing. I agree, however, I remember this one conversation between Dirk and Jane, in which Dirk implied that he knew something about her and Jake that would make them incompatible (the implication being them being related), and Jane said she didn't want to know? Did I just imagine that, or was it referring to something else that I didn't catch?

I just did a very casual perusing through all of Jane and Dirk’s convos and I can’t find anything that would imply that.

I definitely recall a conversation between dirk and jane where he implies that she is related to jake biologically

I even checked her convos with Lil Hal, I can’t find it, so it probably doesn’t exist

It's 2017, and people still think Jake and Jane are genetically related. :\

I mean, I know ectobio is complicated and stuff but come on guys, we’ve been over this so many times

What is lil cal at all?

He is a puppet and a juju, a comfy soul vessel

who ascended in the slab and who ascended in the quest bed ?

Bed/Cocoon:

John, Jade, Vriska, Meenah

Slab:

Aradia, Dave, Rose, Roxy, Jane, Dirk, Jake

Aradia beating vriska and then vriska ascending to god tier was after or before they get into the comet? I cant understand when she apeared and killed tarvos in the timeline... and why did tarvos tried to kill her?

It happened before they got to the meteor. Tavros tried to kill her because he had just got his legs, was feeling confident and was tired of her shit.

why is fannon dirkjake so much batter than cannon dirkjake?

Fanon ignores the many, many flaws of both  character

so then how was )(IC able to extend life with her touch (like how she extended the helmsman's life with her touch, explained by doc scratch)? is this a hint at meenah's thief of life abilities, or just something fuschia bloods somehow have?

Yeah, it’s a hint towards her being a Thief of Life, a lot of the ancestors show traits of their pre-scratch selves classpect

What would happen if a person who's dream self was dead, died on their quest bed? Would they just not ascend?

Yea, they’d just die

Where are the kids from? Like state, I’ve always been curious

John lived in Maple Valley, Washington State, Dave lived in Texas, Rose lived in Rainbow Falls, New York and Jade lived on an island somewhere in the Pacific.

someone said that page and prince are incompatible classes and thats why dirk and jake didnt work out, is that true?

I mean page is an incredibly passive class and prince is like the second most active so that might be why people think that but canonically it’s not one of the reasons they didn’t work

Does it means lil cal as actually alive all that time? but who is the soul inside him? who created him?

Post-scratch Cal was empty the whole time, Pre-scratch Cal had Caliborn, Arquius, and Gamzee’s souls in it.

No one created him, he always existed and will always exist, his timeline is a paradox, that’s what makes him a juju

I know The Signless knew of his other life because of his Seer of Blood abilities, but what other ancestors showed their classpect?

Handmaid- Witch of Time: In the service of Lord English she traveled through time bringing chaos

Summoner- Rogue of Breath. (breath not being defined in canon makes this speculative) Breath may symbolize Freedom. He tried to steal the Freedom for other trolls from the Condesce with his revolution.

Psiionic-Heir of Doom: Obviously he was doomed to suffer for millennia used by the Condesce as a battery

Disciple- Mage of Heart: Mage’s abilities are highly speculator but for Heart (Soul) she resonated well with the Signless’s soul with them having a relationship that went beyond the quadrants. She also made the Signless’s soul stayed alive after his death by recording his teachings so they would one day be able to be spread again.

Dolorosa- Maid of Space: Space is linked to creation and compassion, she went outside her societal system to raise a child

Redglare- Knight of Mind: was a lawyer

Mindfang- Sylph of Light: was able to see into the Cueball

Darkleer- Page of Void: After failing to kill the Disciple he lost his sense of identity, his Void ability was also used by Mindfang to hide.

Grand Highblood-Prince of Rage: a very angie boy

Dualscar- Bard of Hope? weak ass bard, couldn’t even tell a good joke

Condesce- Thief of Life: obviously steals life from a whole heckin lot of people and can extend lifespans

Why didnt dirkjake work out at all? we see them always together after the game is over, ya think this could mean they worked they shit together to date again or at leat be best bro again?

Dirk was overbearing and Jake was distant to say the least.

We can assume that they at the very least worked through their issues enough to be friends again.

the idea that pages are passive is based on nothing. Also presenting Dirk as overbearing is massively simplistic and feeds into people conflating him and AR. This all also heavily understates Jakes complicity in fucking stuff up, like how he knew for a fact that Jane liked him because Roxy told him like, twice beforehand and then lied to her about it. Or how Jake treated gayness like a bad thing at 13 and knew it prob messed with Dirks head but, again, did nothing about it.

obviously it’s way more complicated than what I said, that’s why I put  “ to say the least.” at the end

What factors turned the original timeline (the one that starts the comic) to be doomed?

Aranea stealing the ring of Life.

She knew she was dooming the timeline but thought she’d be able to fix it

Like I'm not trying to be a jerk but this presentation is not factual, it is inaccurate and outdated. My honest opinion is that you're doing more harm than good to anyone's understanding of homestuck at this point and I'd be remiss not to say so.

I’m a deeply flawed human being, I’m gonna get stuff wrong sometimes. If you notice it you can feel free to politely point it out and I’ll correct myself

How did Mindfang benefit from seeing into the cueball? Like what did that do?

She saw that she would be apart of the Summoner’s cause, the future of an adult-less Alternia as well as her own death. It had a great impact on her.

Which page does karkat refer to troll vaginas as seed flaps?

I don’t know that it refers to vaginas but he uses it here

The anon wondering about Dirk implying to Jane that she was related to Jake; I believe they're thinking of Dirk's explanation of the future to Jake, wherein he explains the Condesce's past and Grandma English and Dirk hints to Jake about connecting his grandma's brother who inherited the company to being Poppop Crocker, but Jake is simply too dense. No biological relation, only adopted. (page 6758)

That’s probably what they were thinking of, thank you

Can you explain in detail why Gamzee went crazy? Like I still don't get it and I don't really believe it was as simple as "he ran out of slime and got mad at ICP"

I’m sorry my sweet precious anon, but I am not touching that with a 1025 foot pole, it’s very subjective and up to reader interpretation.

Doc Scratch said that the Alpha Timeline was the timeline uniquely containing his birth and death. Since we've already seen both his birth and his death, how is, e.g., the Game Over timeline somehow not contain them? (This logic seems like it should hold for ANY doomed timeline which diverges after we see Doc Scratch's birth and death -- and thus which we know must contain them, right?)

It’s likely similar to how the trolls couldn’t talk to the kids in their doomed timelines. So that if any doomed timelines occur he is no longer able to interact with them and characters in it can not interact with him.

Once we get to the likes of GAME OVER though, retcon abilities start coming into place which ignore predetermines rules of Space and Time so shrug.png

You answered an ask about how the ancestors (besides signless) showed their classpect but you didn't include the disciple. I don't wanna be rude I just want to ask if she did at all or not?

Oh oops, I just forgot her.

Disciple- Mage of Heart: Mage’s abilities are highly speculator but for Heart (Soul) she resonated well with the Signless’s soul with them having a relationship that went beyond the quadrants. She also made the Signless’s soul stayed alive after his death by recording his teachings so they would one day be able to be spread again.

I just want to know if there's anything in favor of Gamzee, or if he's just an antagonist and nothing more in canon.

Much like the trolls on the Alternia of old, I fear to speak in any regards about one so aggressive and high up on the spectrum.

But here’s his wiki page so you can read up on him yourself

In regards to that poster talking about Doc Scratch's life/death and doomed timelines, I feel like it should be clarified: Game Over is not a doomed timeline. Everybody dying and the kids failing was LE's plan for the alpha timeline all along, even with Aranea's interference. Death and failure is not exclusive to doomed timelines.

Except it was a doomed timeline because if the kids didn’t succeed in creating Universe C then the Cali twins wouldn’t have been born and LE wouldn’t have been able to exist

is daves middle name elizabeth?? or was that just a fandom thing?

It’s one of the older pieces of fanon

how did calliope have a dream self if she never officially entered the game?

She needed to have one so that Caliborn could kill her and predominate early.

If she didn’t have a dreamself then Caliborn wouldn’t have been able to do that, then Callie would be able to play the game but in order to play the game you need a dreamself so she’d have a dreamself for Caliborn to kill, etc etc

Basically, Plot Reasons

do you answer hiveswap asks too? what's your opinion on the tetrach?

I do, and i discussed my thoughts on Dammek here

Why did karkat forbid the trolls to go to sleep on the meteor? (I understand that prospit was destroyed, but what about dream bubbles?)

A: Eveyone’s dreamself was dead and he didn’t know what would happen if they went to sleep

B: The comfy dream bubbles Feferi had made for them didn’t exist yet so when they’d go to sleep their “dream phantom” would pop up in the a random dream bubble and you get shit like [S] Jade: Wake Up

what does "graveyard stuffers" mean?

corpses

So I'm confused. The new universe where the kids are living, the one where the kids are now the benevolent gods of. That's the planet that eventually becomes Caliborn and Calliope's home planet? Does that mean John and friends all die by the time the Cals are hatched there????

That or they either move to another planet.

Did Mindfang actually rape Dolorosa? I knew that Mindfang mind controlled her to make Dualscar jealous, but someone told me that much more awful things took place, but I'm not sure if it's true

It’s not 100% confirmed that it was the Dolorosa. Mindfang definitely mind-controlled the slave to do sexy stuff to her, so at the very least its sexual assault, we don’t actually know how much she made the slave do so whether it was rape or not it debatable

did we ever see what "don't turn your back on the bodies" meant? I don't remember it becoming relevant.

Every time someone turned their back on the bodies the body would disappear.

They would either come back to life or their corpse would be taken.

werent calliope and caliborn born on roxy and dirks earth tho

Yeah, they brought in to Universe C with them

the planet the kids inhabit at the end of the game IS Caliborne and Calliope's planet, but after they leave it. So it's Calliope and Caliborne planet, then its empty, and THEN it's inhabited by players.

 Vriska captchalogued the Earth then the kids fast forwarded it in time until it wasn’t flooded anymore brought it to Universe C, made a lot of baby everything then went to the future again. (most of this is seen in Act 7)

Far off in the future the Calis hatch and live there and Caliborn takes the planet with him into his session with it later turning into the Land of Colours and Mayhem.

I'm a bit confused, the credits and Snapchat show humans and trolls living on Earth c but in Calliope and caliborn's back story, it showed alternia. Did the trolls just happen to find a planet identical to their home? Also does it matter the the father cherub destroyed alteria c as well?

It didn’t show Alternia, it showed a planet populated with Trolls that the Cali twins’ father attacked. When their mother caught up to him they fought and she won. He then slithered off and laid an egg on far off future Earth.

Where/how did we learn that Earth C is where Caliborn and Calliope were born? (I never caught that and suddenly hearing this makes me scared for the epilogue)

We first get the idea when we see a shitty statue of liberty outside their meteor and we get confirmation in a convo Caliborn has with Hussie shortly after entering

We know that in the end, Vriska shoves LE into a black using a juju the kids were sucked into. Assuming they were able to pop put the other side, would it then be possible to find the destroyed Earth C, and, combining Jake's Hope powers (he would probably have advanced a lot, because all that time on Earth C is enough for growth as a person), Dave's time powers, Jades' space powers, etc, and reclaim/reinhabit the planet? Or am I overlooking something?

They could just travel back to the time they were living in, several billions of years in the past. The Earth at the point in time when they fight Caliborn is in his Medium so I doubt they’d want to stay there