If the Alpha kids are the same kids created by John in the ectobiology lab, just sent to a different time, they never had to create themselves, right? So would the post-Scratch trolls have also been created in the pre-Scratch troll session, even though Karkat said he did the same ectobiology stuff John did?
No, the pre-scratch trolls were created in the post-scratch trolls’ universe. The fact that they didn’t do any ectobiological shenanigans was one of the reasons their session was doomed to fail.
~Mod T
hey! do you happen to have any facts about grubs? i was wondering if their horns are naturally a certain length or shape, and their lusii maybe stretch or shape them a certain way to match their own... Maybe something about the brooding caverns? I mean if its meant to be a quality control thing for grubs then how did karkat survive? Do the jadebloods make the clothes for the trolls? is this why theyre so adept in fashion? if so did one of them make karkats special so he wouldnt be caught?
Not a lot is known about grubs. Based on the ones made by Karkat their horns are naturally shaped how they are. The Following of the Sufferer had been waiting for Karkat for sweeps upon sweeps so they probably intercepted him so he didn’t have to go through the brooding caverns. Fashion is not a trait exclusive to jadebloods. Kanaya just likes fashion.
~Mod T
When dad died was he in the game?
He was on Skaia. So yes, he was in the game
~Mod T
Did the alpha kids have consorts on their planets, similar to the nakodiles and salamanders on the beta kids planets? I don't remember any consorts being shown for them... Is that because they're in a dead session?
Yes they had consort, but the consorts were all dead. You can see skeletal remains in various pages such as in [S] ACT 6 ACT 3
~Mod T
Can you give me a summary of homestuck in 30 words or less?
Kids play a game, unexpected shit happens, they destroy the world, they become magical girls and then more stuff happens, Also grey candy corn head people and ectobiological shenanigans.
~Mod T
Can trolls still reach god tier??
I’m going to assume you are referring to the ones that are still alive.
Probably not. If they could find a questcoccoon in a dream bubble or if Kanaya found Jade’s questbed, maybe. We don’t know if those would work or not and the trolls probably wouldn’t be willing to try it unless it was an emergency. So we may never know.
~Mod T
So, where do the adult trolls go? Feel free to just link me to where you found this information, if you'd rather not explain.
They are scattered amongst the cosmos, doing their duty to expand the trollian empire.
The Condesce ordered this after the Summoner’s rebellion in hope of lowering the chances of another one ever happening
~Mod T
In relation to the other ask, I had an idea of a fanfic where the Trollian Empire try to take over the Earth if SBURB never came into play. I'm still not clear on the technicals of Homestuck. Would that have been physically possible?
But the Condesce tried, but a meteor kinda blew up her base of operation so she gave up and set out to the Post-Scratch Universe where she succeeded in taking over the Earth.
~Mod T
EDIT: So, the Condesce aka the baroness had disappeared long prior to when the factory blew, it was actually owned by Grandpa at the time. But Condy was still there at one point or another.
Don't forget the primary reason HIC probably decided to take over the Alpha Earth instead of Beta may have been because she was likely privy to the fact that the Alpha session wouldn't destroy the human race via meteors like Sburb would in the Beta-verse. Whether this was a result of Lord English's machinations or otherwise is still unknown.
Yes, good point.
~Mod T
can trolls be lords or muses or what? or can there be more than 12 trolls playing sgrub?
Trolls can. Those are incredibly rare and powerful classes though so it’s unlikely. And there can probably be more than 12 players, Hussie once said (albeit most likely jokingly) there was a 48 player Squiddles session.
~Mod T
are lords and muses found only in 2 player sessions? lots of people seem to accept this as canon but I'm not sure?
I did a quick 2 minute search and didn’t find anything saying they were exclusive to 2player sessions. First person to find me a source that says they are exclusive wins.
~Mod T
Will eridan find love?...
Hasn’t he already though
Did we ever find out what Karkat&co were like in their A1 iterations?
Nope
~Mod T
Does skaia ever repeat classes or aspects in <12 sessions? If not (i'd assume) what classpects would you use? Also does skaia go with the canon classpects usually? I know it needs Space and Time, but after that does it fill in with light and breath first? Also are Knights required when available, since they help the space player?
Skaia does not repeat classpects.
Classes vary, space and time are always needed.
There’s no knight in the cherub session.
~Mod T
Is there anything said in the comic about what a mage's power is?
Not really, but there is some great speculation on the wiki.
~Mod T
i thought a space and a time player were required for every session but obviously the alpha kids have neither. the beforus sessions' aspects transferred over to the alternian one, but why didnt it do that for the kids' sessions?
That is because the Alpha kids’ session is an 8 player session. It was known that the Beta kids would come and bring their planets and aspects to the Alpha-session.
~Mod T
Do any of the kids have friends outside the ones playing sburb?
I’m sure they have them, they’re just never mentioned.
~Mod T
Is serf a canon aspect?
Nope
~Mod T
What were each of the Beta trolls' lands (at least the mentioned ones)
In hemospectrum order
Land of Dew and Glass
Land of Wrath and Angels
Land of Tents and Mirth
Land of Caves and Silence
Land of Maps and Treasure
Land of Thoughts and Flow
Land of Rays and Frogs
Land of Little Cubes and Tea
Land of Brains and Fire
Land of Sand and Zephyr
Land of Quartz and Melodies
Land of Pulse and Haze
~Mod T
Can I say shoes from Texas are dumb?
Say shit get hit
Not to sound attack-y, but can you explain how that was in hemospectrum order? Also, the Beta trolls are the pre-scratch ones.
No,no,no, Beta trolls are the ones that interacted with the beta kids.
Hemospectrum order, top to bottom. Feferi’s first, to Aradia’s, and Karkat’s last counting him as a mutant and not as a limeblood stand-in.
~Mod T
I'm sorry to ask for such a hefty answer but the condescence has always been a great mystery to me, could you find the time to explain her?
I’m not sure what you want me to explain exactly. So as an over view of her character: She was supreme ruler of the trolls, then they p. much went extinct, she was enslaved by Lord English, and now she simultaneously works for and against him. She took over Post-Scratch Earth and became the Queen of Derse in that universe. She is also working on rebreeding trolls into existence.
~Mod T
Actually, um, if I may... Meenah is quoted as having said that she and her friends were the 'Alpha's somewhere... I'll find it, please give me a few minutes. It's in one of the games. Also, Vriska called Aranea her Alpha sister, I believe. I'll find the page for that, too...
It’s alright, another tumblr user shared that it was at the beginning of A6I3. I remember that Meenah did call her group the Alpha trolls at one point.
~Mod T
Oh, okay! Oh, and I found the source for Vriska calling Aranea 'Alpha sister': w w w . m s p a i n t a d v e n t u r e s . c o m /?s=6&p=007908 Along with a brief explanation from Callie! 'UU: from alpha to beta, then beta to alpha, as if a moUntain to be scaled and then climbed back down.' It seems to suggest that it goes Alpha players ==> Beta players ==> Beta players ==> Alpha players. w w w . m s p a i n t a d v e n t u r e s . c o m /?s=6&p=007516
Posting it, thanks anon.
~Mod T
What if the reason the Beta trolls are so fucked up (Kanaya's weird fondness for fashion, Equius' abnormal strongness, Gamze's Gamzee-ness, etc) was a result of Karkat giving everyone cancer while doing the ectobiological thingy?
I doubt it. Their dancestors share those specific traits. If you haven’t noticed, post-scratch troll society was kinda fucked up. Aradia was a ghost, Terezi was blind, Tavros couldn’t walk, Vriska lost an arm and an eye, Sollux went blind. Those weren’t caused by ectobiology. The trolls were just in-general fucked uo
~Mod T
So I was reading an AU story about the trolls if they'd never played Sgrub and it mentions Nepeta's job which involves being under fire (big surprise, it's Alternia), and I realized that I have no idea what she wanted to be when she grew up. Neither her wiki page or her first few intro pages say it. Does anyone actually know/was it ever said in canon?
I don’t think she wanted to be anything. She probably just wanted to continue her days hunting and rping, living in her cave.
Does it say anywhere in the comic/other official sources whether there are other classes and aspects possible besides the ones show in the comic?
It’s heavily implied that there are others. None are ever shown or discussed though.
~Mod T
So it's stated that jade had (a)sister(s). Do you think that grimbark!Jade saved the earth before it was destroyed because a little part of her wanted to save her/them
I have never heard of Jade having a sister, if you can find me a source for where you got this information I can look into it and answer your question.
~Mod T
Where in the comic is it hinted that there are other classes and aspects?
The introduction of the Muse and Lord class hinted that there may be other classes that are situational much like them.
~Mod T
Is it true that it's implied that Porrim *ahem* pailed everyone except Cronus? I remember reading it somewhere but I don't know...
While it is stated that she has had many redroms, it was not specified as to whom all of them were.
~Mod T
Is it ever stated if the shown canon blood colours (minus mutant blood) are the only possible colours? As in, you can only have Medigo red or Nitram brown, but nowhere in between?
~Mod T
Even the same troll has different shades of blood color in different panels. Do you think that this means that trolls blood color can change color slightly (based on diet or whatever)? Or you think it's more a lighting/shading thing?
I think it’s mostly lighting and amount.
~Mod T
Could Damara snapping = Crockercorp Jane? She doesn't mutilate him but...
Well she’s kinda digging into him psychologically.
If you remember the last time we saw Jake he was in tears wishing he could go home.
~Mod T
But, wouldn't there be 12 castes but different hues in those castes. If you look at Horuss and Equius, the hue they use is different but they are in the same caste. So aren't there different hues but only 12 (or 11 if you don't count mutant) castes?
I agree.
~Mod T
Another example of canon 'inbetweens' would be Kurloz Makara, whose text color is slightly different than Gamzee's in his appearences. That could just be an error, though, and some of the blood colors are canonically different than text colors.
The text colours don’t have the same hex code as blood colours.
~Mod T
Nektan's blood color and the Amporas' blood colors aren't actually violet, they're purple. mspaintadventures wikia page for the Hemospectrum messed a few of the names of the colors up, including "indigo," "violet," "purple," and "burgundy," if that's what you're looking at. Some of the other colors are probably messed up, too.
Going off of the album, coloUrs and mayhem: Universe A
The Blood colours are Rust, Bronze, Gold, Olive, Jade, Teal, Cobalt, Indigo, Purple, Violet, and Fuchsia.
~Mod T
Hello, I'm a bit slow at understanding Homestuck and there was something I was wondering. In the post-scratch timeline, Nanna is one of the kids and Dad is not. Could you explain why?
Nanna was a product of ectobiology.
Dad was made in a vagina.
Also if Dad were one of the kids there’d be an uneven male-to-female ratio and that wouldn’t end well.
~Mod T
would you ever think of adding another mod?
Why would we need to do that?
There’s like seven of us.
~Mod T
there's like seven of you and not a single one of you knows how to reblog posts from your own blog
Hey kid, I’ve been cycling old facts, if you want to bitch because I haven’t been reblogging them straight from the blog then you can
~Mod T
I was under the impression you were the only mod. Or at least the only active one.
I’m the only active one, but we have six or seven.
I’m pretty sure their info is still on the blog.
~Mod T
wait, so you said dad wasnt made by ectobiology but was made the old fashioned way, right? so what if when jane said she wanted jake to have her kids or whatever when she became corrupted.. what if thats supposed to be dad?
But Dad is her Dad, if her kid was Dad then Homestuck genealogy would get even more crazy
~Mod T
I'm really confused, if Grandpa Harley was dead and stuffed in Jade's house, how did he turn up alive in the Medium?
Time shenanigans.
~Mod T
Do we know how long each of the sessions lasted? I remember somebody saying that John's session lasted only a day but that doesn't sound right
John’s lasted a day.
Karkat’s lasted just over three weeks.
And Jane’s is just over three months
~Mod T
It might help to differentiate between dad Crocker and dad Egbert. Dad Egbert (John's dad) was born from nanna/old lady jane and an unknown (?) father (not jake), while dad Crocker (Jane's dad) was born of poppop/old man john and an unknown (?) mother. Thus the two dads are genetically different and are really two different people, even if they look and act the same. Children of Jane/jake would actually probably turn out more like Jade and John than either of the dads, too. I think. Idk science
Yes
~Mod T
i had this odd dad theory a while back- jane is his mother in the beta timeline, john is his father in the alpha timeline- so is he jane and john's kid?
Incest, hm.. Maybe that’s why he doesn’t have eyes or a mouth.
~Mod T
this has been a joke
I'm p sure there's no evidence the two Dads are related. besides the fact they look identical, I guess, but they are kinda just outlines with a pipe and hat so does it count? idk I could be wrong
Well, they’re kinda related.
Nanna and Jane have the same DNA.
Dad Egbert is Nanna’s son
and Dad Crocker, genetically, is Jane’s grandson.
So, Dad Egbert is kinda Dad Crocker’s uncle.
~Mod T
actually the time shenanigans is because the Medium is supposed to be timeless, it's in the letter to John Nannasprite wrote(source: p=002659) i'm p sure that means its time doesn't have anything to do with stuff outside of it, but I can't find a source for that
Also it's worth mentioning that theoretically the alpha kids' session would never end because it's a void session, ie no prototypings pre-entry therefore no war therefore no reckoning
Isn't john the oldest, because he was born a year earlier?
Nope, John’s the youngest. He was born in ‘96, the others were born in December of '95.
~Mod T
question about that recent new fact about the age of the kids. aren't they all technically the same age since they were all created by that ecto thingy at the same time? i think it would be more accurate to say that jade's birthday is first, then dave, rose, and johns is the latest.
All the kids were the same age when they left on their respective meteors. But Jade landed four months before John did. She didn’t not age during those three months.
~Mod T