June 2013

On his formspring, he said he he planned out the basic concepts (such as Homestuck ultimately being a creation myth) and the ending from the beginning, as well as the kids interacting with the creators of their universe, but thought up most other details as he went along.

Okay, that’s nice.

But did you know that on the mspa forums Hussie said Davesprite was actually a baked potato the entire time?

We need sources people.

I appreciate all your opinions but the name of the blog is forgottenhsfacts and facts need real, credible sources and support.

Sorry, but that’s just the way it is.

~Mod T

omg k here's this link: dl[.]dropboxusercontent[.]com/u/40585720/Combined_Formspring_Web_Aug-28-2011[.]htm#andrewhussie448980558 also he talks a bit about planning on this page: andrewhussie[.]blogspot[.]com/2009/11/interrogative-remarks-followed-by[.]html if I ever find where he actually said no real planning, I'll get back to you

You are wonderful

Thank you

A+ follower

All the gold stars for you

And there you have it kids. Or part of it at least.

~Mod T

Also, none of the ecto-anythings have real parents or figures or anything. They created themselves, literally. Goo for trolls probably came from a mother grub and another version of each troll or some shit like that. Same goes for the kids.

Children are made from their parents’ dna

John and Jade were made from Jane and Jake’s dna

Therefore Jake and Jane are the biological parents of John and Jade.

I assume that the trolls are just copies of theirselves since they appear to be very similar to their dancestors physically.

But what do I know?

~Mod T

also just found this where he basically said the only thing he planned for the trolls was a group of players who created the kids' universe, so I guess there was that? not even clear if that was from the beginning or came up later, either. dl[.]dropboxusercontent[.]com/u/40585720/Combined_Formspring_Web_Aug-28-2011[.]htm#andrewhussie1158290610

Again, A+ follower

Thank you.

~Mod T

I think the trolls are mostly copies of their dancestors, with a little bit of others. Incestuous slurry and all that.

Most likely

~Mod T

I believe Aranea actually suggests that the Beforan trolls were created from the genetic mix of the Alternian trolls, rather than just being clones. Chiefly by suggesting she is Terezi's "ancestor" almost as much as she is Vriska's in their first conversation.

True, but then we’d have to start playing who was mixed with who. Which while it may be fun, can lead to some angry fans. So let’s not go there just yet.

~Mod T

nonon the way paradox clones work with the ectobiology shit is that basically jane is both jake's grandaughter and grandmother because homestuck. but that does mean that psifreezo is right in that SOME of the wectothigns have no parents. But Becquaral and Doc Scratch don't have paradoxical origins.

Jane and Nanna were the same baby. 

The baby was sent to two different points in time in two different universes.

One grew into Nanna and was cloned to create the baby in the first place.

The other grew into Jane.

Doc Scratch does have paradox origins.

Sn8wman ectobiologically made Doc Scratch

and without Doc Scratch Sn8wman wouldn’t have known how to do that, therefore creating a paradox

~Mod T

Actually, Doc Scratch involving himself with his own creation does not create a paradox, it is merely a sustained time loop. It's not a paradox until the time travel itself becomes impossible. If Doc creates his own origin, he cans still travel, if he destroys his origin, then we have a paradox.

Yes that.

~Mod T

the paradox with Bec's creation is that after a bec-prototyped Jack Noir got the trolls trapped on the meteor, Vriska mind controlled the dersite agents into taking the MEOW book to the ectobiology labs and making Bec with it (pages 004860-004964). She also was partly the cause of Bec getting prototyped (004875) which is also paradoxical and involves Bec.

Yeah, and wasn't it the "crystal ball" Jade had when she opened the chest in the beginning?

We aren’t sure. Presumably, yes. But a consort gave it to Rose so we can’t be 100%.

~Mod T

Pssst Kurloz isn't a beta troll~

Pardon moi, I skipped over that word in the submission.

~Mod T

'Tis ok dude! Just thought I'd let you know so you could sort it out before some dick came and gave you shit for it

Thank you for alerting me friendly anon ^_^

~Mod T

forgotten homestuck facts* (*facts may not be correct)

We try. Not everyone can be right 100% of the time like you,oh majestic anon.

~Mod T

could you tell me why the dancestors are called that?

It’s an abbreviation of Descendant and Ancestor.

“Due to the complexities in familial relationships from each player group considering themselves the descendants and their counterpart player group the ancestors, causing confusing terminology, the term originated as a portmanteau of descendant and ancestor as a single simple term to describe the relationship. It is likely that Porrim was referring primarily to troll players, possibly as a reference to the fact that it is not apparently known which set is the biological ancestry of the other.

By contrast, for the humans, it is known that the B2 kids are the parents of the B1 kids. However, as the term appears to mostly deal with the "perceived” direction of the relationships, it could be seen as applicable to the humans as well; as few of them are aware that their grandparents/ancestors are their children. Roxy has started to catch on to it after seeing Rose in a dream bubble for the second time. Jade has long since been aware that her “pen pal” is her grandson, but she has never indicated awareness that Jake is also her grandfather.“

~Mod T

wow holy shit that was seriously an asshole thing to do you could have just not posted that submission instead of being mean to that guy

Excuse me, no it wasn’t? I was just telling him it’s not a forgotten fact.  I meant no offense by it. If you took offense, then sorry I guess. 

~Mod T

I think that last anon was just making a joke and didn't actually mean any offense by it.

And I was just joking with them. Sarcastic humour doesn’t translate well over the internet, gomen.

~Mod T

Jade had a Magic Cue Ball in her chest in the beginning -- p=002703 is when we first see it, then she picks it and the Magic 8 Ball up and there's some exposition on it on p=002705. This is the first time the Magic Cue Ball shows up in the comic, and it is likely that Rose later came into possession of it, since I don't think there are very many of them in existence, and Mindfang/Vriska's exploded.

Bonus Fact: Doc Scratch once refereed to the Magic Cue Balls as his seeds.

~Mod T

Man, you're getting a lot of hate today. Bug off, anons.

Eh, I’m p bored so I don’t mind the h8.

~Mod T

if everyone's arguing this anyway, didn't dead dream jade interact with the pre-scratch trolls? 'cause that was one of the reasons she was so sad to be jadesprite

That’s probably what happened, but she never says for shore.

~Mod T

It's sort of confusing because 'Alpha' would imply 'first' Making Meenah and John's respective group the 'alpha' groups, IE pre-scratch, but with the Alpha and Beta versions of sburb, stuff gets a bit...messed up.

And that’s why it’s better to just use pre and post-scratch (◡‿◡✿)

~Mod T

What is the order of how Lil Cal was passed over? I know he was made as Doc Scratch's ecto son but how did he get passed to the other characters in Homestuck?

Here’s how it works.

1. Gamzee made Lil’Cal in Dave’s Dream Room using chucklevoodoo 
2. Lil’ Cal is sent to the ectobiology lab via Bro’s board.
3. Baby Bro/Dirk is sent with Lil’ Cal

ALPHA

1. Lil’ Cal lives with Dirk
2. Lil’ Cal is dropped in the ocean
3. Caliborn finds Lil’ Cal in the future

BETA

1. Lil’ Cal grows with Bro
2. Lil’ Cal is cut up by Dave
3. Lil’ Cal is stitched up by Bro
4. Lil’ Cal fights against Bec Noir with Bro
5. Lil’ Cal is taken by Bec Noir
6. Bec Noir eventually enters the troll session
7. Lil’ Cal is thrown into a time portal transporting him into the past
8. Lil’ Cal is found by an alive Aradia
9. She gives him to Sollux
10. Sollux gives him to Kanaya
11. Kanaya makes Lil’ Cal a felt suit
12. Sn8wman through ectobiology uses Lil’ Cal and a Cue Ball to create Doc Scratch
13. Kanaya eventually gives Cal to Gamzee
14. Gamzee creates Lil’ Cal
15. Gamzee sends Cal to B2 Jack, turning him into Jack English

There ya go.

~Mod T

Another thing, Calliope says, on p=007516, ''from alpha to beta, then beta to alpha'', so that's another time it was mentionned in the comic.

Noted

I just gotta say that I really like this blog because it keeps my memory fresh on the comic and its aspects! This blog is super helpful! Thank you <3 Keep it up uvu/

Continued: Also, your theories are great in my opinion :D

Aw, Thanks and you’re welcome! 

~Mod T

Do Trolls have an organ that's like a heart?

I’m sure they do.

~Mod T

A common terminology for the player groups is A1 for Meenah's trolls, A2 for Karkat's trolls, B1 for John's humans, and B2 for Roxy's humans. IIRC this was coined by Aranea in her dreamchat with Terezi, although B1/B2 was foreshadowed much earlier.

Oh yeah. I forgot to mention that earlier. Thank ya kindly.

~Mod T

For the anon asking about hearts: the troll term for a normal heart is "blood pusher", however, only landdwellers seem to have one. Seadwellers have, according to Kanaya, a "Collapsing And Expanding Bladder Based Aquatic Vascular System".

I got several responses saying this. Thanks.

~Mod T

To that other anon, if I'm not mistaken, Aradiabot ripped out the heart Equius gave her, yeah?

Now how could we forget this?

~Mod T

why are you and this other blog getting so many questions about hearts

~Mod T

Fun fact: Gangnam Style is 4:13 minutes long.

I don’t know how to respond to that…

~Mod T

Does that mean Psi is like Lord English or Lord Korean or some shit?

~Mod T

"Eridan's hair streak is natural" Where's the proof for this? I don't see how the flash/game/thing proves that his hair is naturally purple.

That picture is from when the grubs were first created. As in, moments after their ectobiological creation. And Eridangrub has a purple streak therefore he was created with it and it is natural.

~Mod T

(about eridans hair streak being natural) there's a headcanon (?) floating around that cronus has the streak as well, but dyes it black to seem more "human" (on his talksprite you can see the gray part of his hair where the streak would be)

That’s a nice headcanon. I like that.

~Mod T

That means that diapers and glasses are natural too, since the humans had them moments after ectobiology.

I’d say so, yeah

~Mod T

I dont see why anyone would be bothered by Eridan having a natural purple streak. I mean he is a troll after all and natural oddly colored hair isn't rare in fiction.

srsly

~Mod T

I MEAN do you really think they were gonna go through the trouble of dyeing a baby's little hair streak why would that even WHY

I dunno, but Doc Scratch did put make up on grub Handmaid remember?

~Mod T

it's entirely possible that aradia's eyelashes are natural, just like eridan's hair streak. maybe it's some sort of mutation, where certain patches of a troll's hair don't have black pigment and are instead filled in with whatever pigments are in their blood?

Eyelashes and hair, maybe. But trolls have naturally black lips so Doc Scratch def put lipstick on that grub.

~Mod T

so, according to post 53790770447, is snowman doc scratches mom? sorta????

If you consider John to be John’s dad then yes.

~Mod T

yeah doc scratch put lipstick on that megido, just like karkat put green lipstick on kanaya in that picture of him with them, or wait maybe this theory actually sucks?

I don’t appreciate your rude tone there friend.

~Mod T

Maybe the eye lashes, the lips, the hair and such are all just for simplicity and recognizability. Just a thought. We should be careful how seriously we consider anything. It is Homestuck after all.

Exactly.

~Mod T

Obviously they weren't wearing diapers. That'd be silly. That's just what a Homestuck Human looks like naked

You’re probably right.

~Mod T