September 2017

Does it means lil cal as actually alive all that time? but who is the soul inside him? who created him?

Post-scratch Cal was empty the whole time, Pre-scratch Cal had Caliborn, Arquius, and Gamzee’s souls in it.

No one created him, he always existed and will always exist, his timeline is a paradox, that’s what makes him a juju

I know The Signless knew of his other life because of his Seer of Blood abilities, but what other ancestors showed their classpect?

Handmaid- Witch of Time: In the service of Lord English she traveled through time bringing chaos

Summoner- Rogue of Breath. (breath not being defined in canon makes this speculative) Breath may symbolize Freedom. He tried to steal the Freedom for other trolls from the Condesce with his revolution.

Psiionic-Heir of Doom: Obviously he was doomed to suffer for millennia used by the Condesce as a battery

Disciple- Mage of Heart: Mage’s abilities are highly speculator but for Heart (Soul) she resonated well with the Signless’s soul with them having a relationship that went beyond the quadrants. She also made the Signless’s soul stayed alive after his death by recording his teachings so they would one day be able to be spread again.

Dolorosa- Maid of Space: Space is linked to creation and compassion, she went outside her societal system to raise a child

Redglare- Knight of Mind: was a lawyer

Mindfang- Sylph of Light: was able to see into the Cueball

Darkleer- Page of Void: After failing to kill the Disciple he lost his sense of identity, his Void ability was also used by Mindfang to hide.

Grand Highblood-Prince of Rage: a very angie boy

Dualscar- Bard of Hope? weak ass bard, couldn’t even tell a good joke

Condesce- Thief of Life: obviously steals life from a whole heckin lot of people and can extend lifespans

Why didnt dirkjake work out at all? we see them always together after the game is over, ya think this could mean they worked they shit together to date again or at leat be best bro again?

Dirk was overbearing and Jake was distant to say the least.

We can assume that they at the very least worked through their issues enough to be friends again.

the idea that pages are passive is based on nothing. Also presenting Dirk as overbearing is massively simplistic and feeds into people conflating him and AR. This all also heavily understates Jakes complicity in fucking stuff up, like how he knew for a fact that Jane liked him because Roxy told him like, twice beforehand and then lied to her about it. Or how Jake treated gayness like a bad thing at 13 and knew it prob messed with Dirks head but, again, did nothing about it.

obviously it’s way more complicated than what I said, that’s why I put  “ to say the least.” at the end

What factors turned the original timeline (the one that starts the comic) to be doomed?

Aranea stealing the ring of Life.

She knew she was dooming the timeline but thought she’d be able to fix it

Like I'm not trying to be a jerk but this presentation is not factual, it is inaccurate and outdated. My honest opinion is that you're doing more harm than good to anyone's understanding of homestuck at this point and I'd be remiss not to say so.

I’m a deeply flawed human being, I’m gonna get stuff wrong sometimes. If you notice it you can feel free to politely point it out and I’ll correct myself

How did Mindfang benefit from seeing into the cueball? Like what did that do?

She saw that she would be apart of the Summoner’s cause, the future of an adult-less Alternia as well as her own death. It had a great impact on her.

Which page does karkat refer to troll vaginas as seed flaps?

I don’t know that it refers to vaginas but he uses it here

Can you explain in detail why Gamzee went crazy? Like I still don't get it and I don't really believe it was as simple as "he ran out of slime and got mad at ICP"

I’m sorry my sweet precious anon, but I am not touching that with a 1025 foot pole, it’s very subjective and up to reader interpretation.

Doc Scratch said that the Alpha Timeline was the timeline uniquely containing his birth and death. Since we've already seen both his birth and his death, how is, e.g., the Game Over timeline somehow not contain them? (This logic seems like it should hold for ANY doomed timeline which diverges after we see Doc Scratch's birth and death -- and thus which we know must contain them, right?)

It’s likely similar to how the trolls couldn’t talk to the kids in their doomed timelines. So that if any doomed timelines occur he is no longer able to interact with them and characters in it can not interact with him.

Once we get to the likes of GAME OVER though, retcon abilities start coming into place which ignore predetermines rules of Space and Time so shrug.png

I just want to know if there's anything in favor of Gamzee, or if he's just an antagonist and nothing more in canon.

Much like the trolls on the Alternia of old, I fear to speak in any regards about one so aggressive and high up on the spectrum.

But here’s his wiki page so you can read up on him yourself

In regards to that poster talking about Doc Scratch's life/death and doomed timelines, I feel like it should be clarified: Game Over is not a doomed timeline. Everybody dying and the kids failing was LE's plan for the alpha timeline all along, even with Aranea's interference. Death and failure is not exclusive to doomed timelines.

Except it was a doomed timeline because if the kids didn’t succeed in creating Universe C then the Cali twins wouldn’t have been born and LE wouldn’t have been able to exist

is daves middle name elizabeth?? or was that just a fandom thing?

It’s one of the older pieces of fanon

In regards to that poster talking about Doc Scratch's life/death and doomed timelines, I feel like it should be clarified: Game Over is not a doomed timeline. Everybody dying and the kids failing was LE's plan for the alpha timeline all along, even with Aranea's interference. Death and failure is not exclusive to doomed timelines.

aspiringwatcher:

forgottenhsfacts:

Except it was a doomed timeline because if the kids didn’t succeed in creating Universe C then the Cali twins wouldn’t have been born and LE wouldn’t have been able to exist

I’ll just point out that it WAS doomed, but by the virtue of Aranea stealing the ring.

You cannot contact people in other universes if your timeline is doomed (see the first instance of doomed timelines) and there was definitely contact between Alphas and cherubs in pre-retcon universe.

Cherubs could have become a thing pre-retcon if John stopped at retrieving the ring. They were a thing pre-retcon, Universe C could have been hatched after GO. But John chose to save the team.

You’re right about characters in a doomed timeline not being able to contact others in different universes.
But the timeline didn’t become doomed until Aranea came back and started messing with stuff, between that point and everyone dying nobody contacted or was contacted by the cherubs.

how did calliope have a dream self if she never officially entered the game?

She needed to have one so that Caliborn could kill her and predominate early.

If she didn’t have a dreamself then Caliborn wouldn’t have been able to do that, then Callie would be able to play the game but in order to play the game you need a dreamself so she’d have a dreamself for Caliborn to kill, etc etc

Basically, Plot Reasons

do you answer hiveswap asks too? what's your opinion on the tetrach?

I do, and i discussed my thoughts on Dammek here

Did Mindfang actually rape Dolorosa? I knew that Mindfang mind controlled her to make Dualscar jealous, but someone told me that much more awful things took place, but I'm not sure if it's true

It’s not 100% confirmed that it was the Dolorosa. Mindfang definitely mind-controlled the slave to do sexy stuff to her, so at the very least its sexual assault, we don’t actually know how much she made the slave do so whether it was rape or not it debatable

the planet the kids inhabit at the end of the game IS Caliborne and Calliope's planet, but after they leave it. So it's Calliope and Caliborne planet, then its empty, and THEN it's inhabited by players.

 Vriska captchalogued the Earth then the kids fast forwarded it in time until it wasn’t flooded anymore brought it to Universe C, made a lot of baby everything then went to the future again. (most of this is seen in Act 7)

Far off in the future the Calis hatch and live there and Caliborn takes the planet with him into his session with it later turning into the Land of Colours and Mayhem.

I'm a bit confused, the credits and Snapchat show humans and trolls living on Earth c but in Calliope and caliborn's back story, it showed alternia. Did the trolls just happen to find a planet identical to their home? Also does it matter the the father cherub destroyed alteria c as well?

It didn’t show Alternia, it showed a planet populated with Trolls that the Cali twins’ father attacked. When their mother caught up to him they fought and she won. He then slithered off and laid an egg on far off future Earth.

Where/how did we learn that Earth C is where Caliborn and Calliope were born? (I never caught that and suddenly hearing this makes me scared for the epilogue)

We first get the idea when we see a shitty statue of liberty outside their meteor and we get confirmation in a convo Caliborn has with Hussie shortly after entering

We know that in the end, Vriska shoves LE into a black using a juju the kids were sucked into. Assuming they were able to pop put the other side, would it then be possible to find the destroyed Earth C, and, combining Jake's Hope powers (he would probably have advanced a lot, because all that time on Earth C is enough for growth as a person), Dave's time powers, Jades' space powers, etc, and reclaim/reinhabit the planet? Or am I overlooking something?

They could just travel back to the time they were living in, several billions of years in the past. The Earth at the point in time when they fight Caliborn is in his Medium so I doubt they’d want to stay there