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you can link to it if youve already answered it, but how do you think lord english “runs” his empire? by the way you talk about alternia, it sounds to me like you imagine he did play a role as some kind of shadow political leader that made active decisions in the structuring of alternia. is that the case? i think thats really interesting, i always wondered what his rulership over the condesce actually looked like. iirc lord english has only ever shown been screaming and destroying things so i’ve always struggled to imagine if he would even be lucid enough to make decisions or do anything other than mass murder. does doc scratch have some way to implicitly understand his desires and then deliver orders to the condesce on his behalf? or was the caliborn that the “kids” fight at some nebulous time in the “future,” the one who’s soul dirk rips out, not teen caliborn but an actually fully realized adult cherub caliborn who had already been fucking with alternia? idk if that makes sense, the part of the comic where the beta kids are described by caliborn to have been sucked into the juju has always been a little weird for me to wrap my head around. i always imagined the battle happened between them all as kids still but now that im trying to imagine a lucid lord english im realizing they could very well all be adults because we still havent “seen” it actually happen aside from caliborn’s claymation right? anyways. very interested in what your thoughts on caliborn’s active influence on alternia looked like

dingodad:

> lots of really great questions! i’ll try to get my thoughts in order here.

> to start at the beginning of lord english’s story: yes, it is an important point that we have no idea “when” caliborn’s masterpiece actually takes place; how old caliborn is, where the kids who beat him up even came from… and I think this is because the details in that story don’t necessarily matter. while i certainly believe there is a point in caliborn’s timeline where a gaggle of teenagers show up and stuff him into a puppet, what we see play out on his claymation stage is a mythologised account of something that happens to him over and over again in many many different ways over the course of his time loop.

> so while i wouldn’t call that caliborn “fully realised”, necessarily, i think we are supposed to see him as “caliborn-as-lord-english”; he has the peg leg, he has mastery over the felt, he’s finally obtained the rainbow magic eyes, and while he certainly hasn’t encountered the trolls yet, no, he has had loads of practice at being the puppetmaster of his own world as he hones his homosuck craft and uses the terminals left to him by his session to influence homestuck itself! (i don’t think whether caliborn is ultimately “teen” or an “adult” is hugely relevant, because caliborn’s specific circumstances mean that he doesn’t really “grow” or “mature” by aging the same way a human does; he gradually acquires power in different ways.)

> related to this, i tend to use the names ‘caliborn’ and 'lord english’ interchangeably. which i know not everyone will agree with, but i think it aligns with the hussie’s philosophy that act 6 is about the kid versions of the comic’s grownup characters; while, yes, the lord english contained within lil cal also contains sprinklings of equius, dirk and gamzee, these characters are ultimately caliborn’s servitors, and i would argue that subsuming weaker personalities into his own is kind of part of caliborn’s Bag as a dominant cherub.

> anyway, all that is just to say that it’s important to be aware that lord english DOES act like caliborn, and isn’t just a mindless, speechless force of destruction - at least not all of the time. when damara tries to escape his captivity, he speaks to her in caliborn’s voice, and perhaps more importantly, tells us the one thing you must never forget about lord english: he is ALREADY HERE. never be fooled into thinking lord english only showed up at alternia’s death and then fucked off into the furthest ring to hunt his sister - his first act was to travel back to the beginning of alternian history and become its architect. notice how as soon as lord english speaks, two things happen: first, the cursor changes into english’s reptilian hand; second, we see the puppet hole in doc scratch’s back - he was the literal puppetmaster behind scratch’s actions the whole time!

> so yes, lord english was an active participant in the shaping of the alternian empire, though i think “political leader” is probably the wrong description; he certainly never had any face-to-face conversations or gave any direct orders to any trolls, at least within modern troll history. but that’s not what he’s about: as the cuestick, and with scratch as his cueball, english’s manipulations are more about lining up the perfect shot, executing a precision strike, and then letting events play out exactly as planned.

> probably the most influential of these precision strikes was establishing the subjugglator cult, who worship him and his puppet as twin mirthful messiahs; while we don’t know exactly how he did this, it’s not hard to imagine it had something to do with appearing to them as an all-powerful angel at the very dawn of their society. compare this to how the condesce makes cordial visits to every planet she passes on her journey through the stars, then fucks off to let her army of trolls decimate the place. after all, scratch operates in exactly the same way: he doesn’t waste his time constantly relaying orders to his proteges, but rather grooms them when they’re still young, turning them into his unwitting soldiers so that when he finally does intervene he’s only telling them to do things that “deep down, they already know they want to do.” (commentary from Homestuck: Book 4, p. 216)

> while the condesce formally becomes english’s puppet when she kills the handmaid - inheriting both the rustblood’s curse and essentially taking up scratch’s role on earth - it’s not like she was ever particularly hands-on when it came to helming the metaphorical ship herself. in porrim’s words, she was “the Lo+rd’s slave all alo+ng […] thro+ugh manipulatio+n by his cunning emplo+yee”, but what the condesce enjoys doing most is delegating! on alternia she gave most of her authority to the subjugglators, and then did the exact same shit again on earth. remember meenah never wanted the responsibilities of heiress, and ran to beforus’ pink moon to escape them; the way i see it, the condesce rushing off into space to explore the galaxy instead of overseeing the planet she’s responsible for is just a repeat of the same behaviour, and doing so left a power vacuum for english to essentially insert his own guys into. (possibly thematically relevant, since lord english’s role is fundamentally to shoot balls into unfilled dark pockets.)

> in short, english is cleverer - or at least, more competent - than we give him credit for. it’s just that rather than a chess master who moves each piece to its proper place individually, he’s playing pool; if you line up just the right shot, you only need to make one move, and the balls will play the rest of the moves off of each other. looked at another way, as the Lord of Time and master of the alpha timeline, english makes his moves by controlling inevitability itself. he engineers things so that events can only play out in the exact way he wants them to, and all other options are doomed. and to do that, he only needs to be present at key moments in alternia’s history - most importantly its very beginning and its very end.