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Does anyone remember that Lord English himself isn’t even composed of the original versions of the souls that make him? He’s the son of paradox clones, right? That means B2 Jack is the one who actually contains the original souls of Lord English, since he was directly possessed. English has been diluted by being a paradoxical copy, and being part cueball. His creation is not unlike that of breeding Genesis frogs. (The end frog does not chronologically branch off from the original frogs, he is a paradoxical copy of all of them combined. I’d argue that he’s almost like the inverse to a Genesis frog.) So the destiny of the original Caliborn, Equius, Lil Hal and Gamzee is to be decapitated by Dave and explode into a black hole. Caliborn brags about how he will become all powerful, but he will doesn’t get to do that. The paradox slime version of himself born in a lab is destined to become the laser skull epilepsy pharoah hulk man, not him. Not that any of this really matters or changes that much, I just noticed that it was odd. This all adds up right? I didn’t forget anything that would make this not make sense?

dingodad:

> you are, on a technical level, completely right: at no point in the Pharaoh Hulk’s* timeline was he ever literally Lil Cal. he emerges straight from Doc Scratch, who was only ever a clone of Lil Cal. but you’re making a critical error by thinking of the Hulk and B2 Jack as if they’re meant to be two different guys.

> > *I’ve always known this iteration of Lord English as the “Mobster Hulk” version - google seems to be telling me it’s basically only my posts that use this phrasing but I’m guessing I must have picked it up on the forums.

> I won’t give you the long-winded explanation about Ultimate Selves and how it’s the idea of a person that matters more than the specific body they inhabit because I already have about a dozen posts on the subject and I’m sure everyone’s sick of hearing it by now. so I wanna focus on two specific and related reasons why “Real Lord English” and “Copy of Lord English” is a false dichotomy, based specifically in an area of Homestuck’s worldbuilding that doesn’t really get talked about so much:

> 1. Jack Noir’s version of Lil Cal is just a copy too! Roxy banished the one containing Lord English’s soul into nonexistence, so that in Caliborn’s words it will “FLUTTER THROUGH THE SHADOWS FOR ETERNITY. SURFACING IN THE NIGHTMARES OF THE UNSUSPECTING.” Gamzee is not a Thief of Void, he can’t steal things back out of the darkness; he’s simply a psychic whose chucklevoodoos can “amplify fears through dreams.” The Lil Cal that emerges in Dave’s dreams, is adopted by his Bro, and one day makes the journey to Jack’s prison cell is just a manifestation of Dave’s fear of puppets; the one that Roxy banished is still out there.
> 2. First rule of jujus, bro: “THERE CAN ONLY BE ONE!” “if there ever appears to be more than one of the same, it is only a mirage of caUsality!”

> cultured readers will be able to draw the line between the two phrases i’ve put special emphasis on. Homestuck uses the terms existing terms “voodoo” and “juju” to deliberately evoke an anthropological concept which is found around the world but is most pop-culturally associated with African and Afro-Carribean spirituality: Lil Cal is a fetish. his power comes not from the fact that he is composed of some special material (or because, as you suggest, he has some kind of unique or special genes), but from the fact that spiritual power is ascribed to him. think of a religious idol; there can be a million idols to the same one deity, but the power of each idol will be exactly the same, because each has the same spiritual significance.

> put in overly-simplistic terms which aren’t necessarily accurate but speak to a recurring theme in Homestuck: a juju works because of the belief that it works.

> this is what Calliope and Caliborn mean when they speak of “bad juju”, some kind of mystical force which Lil Cal is filled with. the “juju” isn’t the object at all; it’s an enchantment associated with the object. Calliope says a juju can’t ever be destroyed, and yet Lil Cal is torn to shreds and repaired on multiple occasions - it’s the magic, the juju, that persists. this is the only way an object with a self-perpetuating origin could possibly exist, or else the object would just keep becoming more and more worn with each loop of its timeline.

> Scratch and Caliborn both say it: “Instances of [Scratch] have spawned in countless universes”, just as Lil Cal will continue to infiltrate the dreams of infinite children and take Caliborn “FROM UNIVERSE. TO UNIVERSE. TO UNIVERSE.” importantly, it’s implied actually quite early on in the comic that you can’t really “clone” a “soul”, because paradox clones kind of follow similar rules to jujus; there can only be one TRUE clone, who will always travel back in time to become their own origin, and all other clones are “MALFORMED MUTANTS” with no bearing on the timeline. so the exact circumstances through which Cal arrives in each universe, be it via ectobiology or clown voodoo, don’t matter: every copy is either a) inert or b) actually the same Lil Cal at a different point in its circuitous timeline.

> in other words - thanks to a time loop of his own orchestration! - all versions of Lord English have to be decapitated and/or collapse into a black hole at the end of their lifespan because they all have to ultimately return to the void. you’re really not that far off the mark in that there is a tragedy in the fact that Caliborn believes he will “GET STRONGER. AND OLDER. AND BIGGER. AND BUFFER!” each time he destroys a universe. the tragedy is just that he thinks turning into Mobster Hulk is the end goal when in fact by making himself immortal he has ensured there IS no end goal: he’s trapped being reborn as new Lil Cals in new universes forever and ever. no matter how many brief excursions he takes out into the universe to play the villain, his essence is trapped in the void for all time.