The player who accidentaly became the Ultimate Croaker is Maid of Space and they are the ultimate fairy metamorphosis - instead of frog being turned into fair maiden by a kiss of a prince, a maid is turned into frog and they are still the most beautiful creature. Of course the prince was kissing their cold corpse to revive their soul into their dream image, after they were killed as result of wicked Witch's machinations who was merely saving them all from impeding doom of failing the session.
This is the god damn level of symbology and references Homestuck itself has and you need to make this into a Fanadventure ASAP. Curiously enough, our Maid of Time also has a Frog Metamorphosis, but rather than the last step, it’s her fist one, so… Frog > Robot > God Tier, maybe the Maid of Space inverts this going God Tier > Robot > Frog?
Maids creating aspect related "golems" or elementals. Miniature eldrich things for void. Chimeras for life. Angel-like or demon-like beings for hope and rage. Odd sentient dimensional anomalies for space. And etc.
I love that kind of thinking. I should point out, likely the Maid of Space would be the one that made the First Guardian in the Session. As for the Maid of Hope, we know what kind of Aspect-related Elemental there is.
"You, children, know what time is it? It is a revolution time. We start revolution. NOW TAKE YOUR SHARPENED SHOVELS WE ARE ABOUT TO SHAKE THE BOAT" - Muse of Rage.
Is there a reference here I’m not getting or a figure of speech I’m unaware of? I don’t mean to shit on the weapon value of a shovel, but that’s a curious choice.
Witch or Thief of Blood making it so even if you do consciously comprehend that they are not your loved one whom you trust, your soul and everything still reacts as if they are. Like say, making it feel like they are your beloved mother while they are slowly and painfuly kill all of your friends. Or like they are your best friend when you are emotionaly vulnerable in order to manipulate you, to control you.
Oh God. Blood or Heart would definitely work, with Blood more as Bonds, the ‘being aware that’s not the case but still feeling like it’ seems like it’d fit just nicely. Stealing the bonds you have with people or changing them, altering your perception of others, your perception of them. Dang.
It is a reference towards MPL-50, that were often weaponised. You just sharpen the edge and you can go on decapitating enemies. Spetsnaz often used those.
And what if a player offes said Witch/Thief of blood who "appears" as someone they love and then deals with trauma and guilt every time they talk with their actual loved one. Or worse - if said loved one was already dead by the time they fight this blood player, or EVEN worse - the player believed that they were at fault for loved one's death and then they "actually" kill them - even if they know it is an impostor - blood player didn't even change shape, they just evoke the connection.
You wanna go devastating? We going to sob town today, bois.
A Witch of Heart manipulating someone’s significant other, and turning them against each other. Eventually when they are inevitably killed, the Witch continues manipulating their Soul and making it torment the other again and again.
Or a Maid of Heart ‘making’ a perfect replica of someone’s Soul, effectively bringing a deceased one back to life- Only for them to be taken away yet again. And again. And again.
Witch of Time making Higurashi reality. Witches that use their aspect to make others their slaves or playthings. Or a pissed Maid of Void making someone "unexistent" so that world goes on without them when all they can do is watch.
I have no idea what Higurashi is, but yeah, the rest sound about right.
Okay but Knight of Blood engaging in a fight with an alien with just so happens to be a form of dating for said alien and winning by virtue of being accidentaly so good in alien dating so he "defeats" said alien whom no one was able to defeat. Is canon in homestuck. It happened.
Honestly we know so little about Charms that we don’t even know if the fight was actually part of the flirting, or if it was literally the tying up. Again, I don’t want to get into another day of Clover Bondage Analysis.
Higurashi is a series of visual novels. And manga. And anime. About kids in some obscure japanise village. And some weird timeline shit. It is a horror game. No. I am serious. Don't wanna do spoilers but kids die multiple times in rather horrible ways.
OH WAIT I THINK I’VE SEEN SOMETHING ABOUT THIS? Maybe if it’s what I think it is, I’ll have to check it-
Oh God yeah it is, I’ve seen some awfully messed up scenes and I’ve been curious as to what it was all about, we’ll see.
do you think doom or life could bring back living things from the dead, but as zombies?
Life is Agency, so imagine a Thief of Life- Using Life Majyyk to bring a body back to life, but Stealing its Agency so it acts like a mindless drone. Doom, not quite so sure. You could make a case for a bunch of other Aspects to get Zombies though.
An elemental for Maid of Heart tho. Would be persona from Megaten. Or shadow. Both, in fact. Thinking further... Umineko, which is related to Higurashi. Had goats that embodied the theories about tragic events on a certain island. Would they be the mind elementals or void elementals.
Interesting. I would say maybe they seem to embody Doom rather than Void or Mind if that’s the case?
Not sure if you're a wrestling fan, but for one of my fantrolls I've kind of used the concept of Kayfabe as a Hope-y thing. The willing suspension of belief it takes to watch wrestling is what spurred me to such an idea. Any thoughts?
I didn’t know that had a name, but it definitely sounds Hope-y by what I’m seeing!
Do you think a Page of Doom would be liable to badly misinterpret their aspect? Like, in such a way that they managed to convince themselves that the game wanted someone of their aspect to 'bring doom' to other players (As in kill them) or something along those lines.
I mean, I don’t see why not. You could argue they may be Served ‘Doom’ as in, shown the awful things they’ve got to do, convinced to follow that destructive path, and then following it maybe?
An Heir of Blood being able to completely fuck someones life over without consequences. No matter what you tell your friends, your lovers, the Heir of Blood is always more believed. The Heir of Blood is the true friend and you're just the jealous lowlife. After all, what would the Heir do to hurt you? They've never hurt us, so...
I could see this more of a Witch thing, but the Heir could be liable to such a thing.
Ok but have u considered... active light players making weapons out of hard light. Knights making swords, maids creating hard light shields/platforms, princes and witches doing the absolute most and creating something spikey
Yep, I always like the idea of Light Players doing that, almost as much as the idea of Hope Players forming armor and weapons and wings out of pure Hopey Energy.
I’m actually not so sure about these! For all we know, Amisia’s murderousness is only Grub-based and more acceptable, whereas Chahut’s is more actual teen Trolls being murdered.
… You know I was making a case for murdering Grubs being more acceptable because thousands are born at once and a ton of them already don’t make it out of the Caverns, but given the analogue is killing babies to paint with their blood, I may immediately retract this statement.
A space player trying to cheat a game and alchemise that damn code. Only to learn that a) all universes have same code despite having massively different traits which means that results of alchemy are unpredictable b) ammount of required grist is so obscene that it is easier to just breed the damn thing.
I mean, in a way isn’t the creation of the Genesis Frog LITERALLY Alchemy? The process is called the Ultimate Alchemy, and the biggest thing preventing Players from making the Universe is the need for the Grist Hoards Denizens have.
It seems that space players can notice when the frog is missing something - after all they can somehow breed it and Kanaya said as such - that they didn't collect all the parts of code. So it might be possible for a space player who also, like Kan, never saw the final frog to notice that they should find it. And unlike our kids, this player won't be restrained by need to complete LE's ultimate loop or get doomed otherwise.
I mean, Karkat also notices there’s something wrong with the Frog, but at that point they’re so tired and ready to be done with the game that they just push through either way. And looksie, the result was accidentally making a murderdog.
Wait, wasn't ultimate alchemy done after tadpole was bred (with ecto-labs) and it is, essentially, heating it, releasing it into core of Skaia and then have it fed all the grist hoards as opposing to mashing captcha codes and spending grist as platonical material?
It is, but my thinking is, if you need to have all that Grist poured into Skaia to get Tadpole from Tadpole to Frog, directly alchemizing Billious Slick would arguably cost the same amount of Grist, if not more. When you’re at the point of defeating the Denizens and the Black King and Queen, warping a few frogs and hunting them down in the planet becomes an utterly minor nuisance in comparison, may as well just poke a frog.
Holiday God Tiers: A Light player and a Life player creating the best Christmas tree ever seen (maybe with the help of a Space or Void player for extra decoration). Also a Life player creating tiny mistletoes everywhere, maybe above the people that need to get over their awkwardness (probably with the help of a Heart player).
All while the local Breath Player keeps a snowstorm going for a truly white Christmas.
So, building on that part where Jake is collecting and exuding Lots of Hope Energy... is it possible for other Hope players to be overcome with Hope and show something akin to that? Or is it only because of the Page aspect? (Aka overcome with positive/Hope feelings and transmogrify it into the physical realm/Hopepunk?)
Pages may be a special case because ‘Serving’ themselves Hope and unlocking their true potential makes them arguably the strongest Classes. However, a Knight using a similar state to help others and Serve them could be an interesting take too, although arguably not as intense as Jake’s Hope Field. Alternatively, Thieves may stockpile Hope in a similar manner, so perhaps given enough Hope a Thief could reach Page-like levels of power, which as we know, is well over 9000.
could a mage of time use a form of or maybe a compleat array of chronokanisis? possibly threw a satisfying electricity effect?
Chronokinesis? I’m not quit sure, specially when it comes to electricity-like effects, Time and Electricity don’t seem quite tied unless the Time Player’s Time Travelling Device actually worked with electrical discharges.
Could a Maid of Space create new laws of physics? I could also see them creating repulsion fields and crushing their foes by creating more gravity on them
I mean if you can think of a non-existent Law of Physics, be my Guest, I’d rather imagine they can improve the limits of existing laws.
Oh shit let’s be Santa. Imagine all the cool alchemized gifts everyone makes for each other. Combine an ice machine with a cannon and get a snow cannon! A jet pack with a sleigh! A gift box with an alchemeter to make a box that alchemizes the same item over and over. Or a randomized item each time it’s opened?? What classpect would Santa even be? Knight of hope? I just like thinking of the possibilities.
I believe we jokingly mentioned Santa being a Knight of Space before, there was even fun fanart about that! There would be so many possibilities with an Alchemiter, though.
I understand how Maids create their aspect but how do they create WITH their aspect? that has always confuzzled me
Imagine, rather than ‘With’, ‘Through’ their Aspect. A Maid of Light using their knowledge about something to make it, or a Maid of Life using their influence and Agency to Make people do things for them.
so is Kanaya, Karkat, and Terezi just gonna continue aging while the rest of the kids do not? if so then how will it be when they're like 95 "sweeps" and the kids are all still the same?
I’ve always assumed with a Life and a Time Players in their roster, as well as the Alchemy System, de-aging shouldn’t be a problem at all.
and the device in question are pretty much time gloves, a combanation of say, peridots limb enhancers, a remot e control, and a clock with gooves of course
That’s a good combo of stuff. Sometimes I wonder what Dave combined canonically to make the Time Turntables, or what Aradia used to make the Music Boxes.
Greetings, this is a Thief of Breath player here. I just wanted to know what your opinion would be on what a Thief of Breath player would be able to do. I understand that a Thief would be able to steal their aspect, so how would you interpret that? Quite curious.
Stealing Freedom and Motion, trapping, paralizing and stopping others would make sense. Stealing the Plot may also mean directing the story where you want rather than where it seemed to have been going, and Stealing Breath by itself can be easily taken as a metaphor for a really good kisser, or someone who literally chokes others, so pick your poison I guess.
Would anyone be able to poof in a quest bed/sacrificial slab?
See, the issue here is not if they would be able to poof in Quest Beds and Sacrificial Slabs- But rather, if the Game would actually allow people to ascend in these, or if a poofed Quest Bed would just be a colored slab with a symbol.
You answer everyone’s GT questions but what is your fav/ personal classpect??
Hmm, I’m the Seer of Doom, and my favorites may be the Witch/Maid of Void for badass Voidy Shenanigans, the Knight of Hope as what I headcanoned my boyfriend was before getting more into analysis, and the Sylph of Light as it’s his current God Tier based on the canon Aspect Quiz and my Class Quiz. :p
For Roxy to poof in a working slab, she would probably have to immerse herself in the aspect of the bed she was trying to conjure, similar to when had to immerse herself in the idea of the Jade caste to poof th matriorb
Definitely, I do wonder if she could do it given enough time and patience, or if the presence of a Muse of Space was strictly necessary to get the Matriorb in the first place.
Whoa :o that’s cool, what does being a void seer entail in your case?
Seer of Doom! And, it actually came to me on a Dream. I woke up on Prospit and looked out of the window, but all I saw in my Mind’s Eye was ‘if you go outside right now, you will die’, and then woke up. Then I started to think more and more about it. I’ve got ties to Programming and learning to code through other people’s code, I’m kind of stubborn about my ideals, and I’m always making awful scenarios, overthinking and thinking the worst of the worst could happen at any moment. I use those intrusive thoughts constructively though, Knowing the enemy is the first step to Defeating them, and by acknowledging my frustration and my overthinking, I can focus on what’s positive and try to help others through tough spots.
I know a lot of it probably is meaningless, but I remembered that in SBaHJ 2 they both 'do' one of them's mother and much later we learn Dave unknowingly finds his mother hot on like 3 different occasions so is there other stuff on SBaHJ that has meaning to the greater narrative?
The greater narrative meaning is that every Mom in Homestuck is Hot, and Dave easily falls down Freud’s Stairs at the slightest of chance.
Looking at Callie, it seems that muses make great aspect-related beacons. While looking at Cal reveals that Lords who obsess with conquering become prisoners of their own domains.
“Prisoners of their own domains” sounds like a great take on bad Lordhood, but I should mention it’s also a trait shared by bad Musehood- Alt Calliope was also a prisoner of Space and Isolation, trapped by her fate to break down all of Reality.
what do you think it would be like if a Knight of Space became evil and turned against their team and wanted the session to fail?
Serving and Weaponizing Space seems like an awfully, easily abusable power, not only do you have the possibility of First Guardian powers, but you also have Space as everything physical and attributes of matter and energy stuff. So like… Weaponizing Everything, that’d be messy.
Merry Christmas everyone! And those that don’t celebrate Christmas, Happy Holidays and hope the festive cheer has kept you sane through potentially boring family reunions.
To celebrate the Holidays, I decided to do something a little bit different, and post my Headcanons on what the Post-Game Earth-C Gods would do for the Holidays! We know they still celebrate Halloween, so why not this as well? So without further ado.
John Egbert: Took a few hours of rambling at to convince him to leave his house, but eventually ended up hanging out with everyone. He was the first one to suggest a Snowball Fight, and also the first one to complain that ‘using space powers to launch a full scale snowball offensive is cheating, jade!’ before using his Windy Thing to turn the snow battlefield into a snowstorm.
Rose Lalonde: Takes the Holidays off to relax from her and Kanaya’s duties in the Brooding Caverns, and spends most of the time indoors celebrating Hanukkah. December is Self Care Month, with a hint of cynicism about the way Holidays are exploited as a means of promoting products and bringing in more customers, even though that was all Pre-Game’s Society’s Issues and definitely doesn’t happen anymore in a society where Gods live among normal people and there’s Alchemiters still functional and easily accessible.
Dave Strider: JPEG Artifacted Christmas has become popular on Earth-C and he couldn’t be more proud of that. He wears a fake beard and a Santa Outfit, but still keeps the shades on, delivering raps and sick fires alike to people around the globe.
Jade Harley: Dave may be the Public Figure of Shitty JPEG Christmas, but Jade is the real MVP, a snap of her fingers and her powers zap Christmas Presents to anyone that may be in need of them. The moment snow pours her tail begins to wag excitedly and she can’t help but roll happily around the cold snow, barking and biting at snowflakes on instinct. She’s not even embarrassed by it, she eats a weird bug and doesn’t even care.
Jane Crocker: Spent way too long making a multi-tiered cake big enough to be decorated as a Christmas Tree, and was burnt out for anything more active afterwards. Still, she sticks with Roxy and Calliope, because they’re so excited and it’s hard not to be motivated with that contagious attitude of theirs.
Roxy Lalonde: She LOVES the Holidays, the snow, the lights, the present, it’s a magical time of the year and she adores everything. Always dragging others around, buying meaningful presents for everyone. At the end of the day when she’s exhausted from doing too much, she loves cuddling, wrapped in a blanket, in front of a lit chimney with Calliope and Jane.
Dirk Strider: He loves the Holidays as well, but is more eccentric when it comes to expressing it. He sends hand-crafted presents to every one of his friends, meaningful yet inscrutable and under so many layers of Irony you can’t even tell if it’s a shitpost or the best thing you’ve ever received. Tried to build MECHA SANTA for the Holidays, but ended up having to hunt him down to save Christmas.
Jake English: Has watched every single Christmas Movie ever made, and he’s frankly in love with all of them, and equally in love with every new, shitty Christmas Movie Earth-C produces on a yearly basis. He appears in several Earth-C Christmas Calendars after a Santa Photoshoot, likely with more revealing clothes any Santa Outfit should ever have. Mixed the presents he had prepared for everyone, but they ended up loving their switched presents either way.
Calliope: Sugary, Colorful, Cheery, Christmas is right up her alley and hanging out with Roxy only amplifies her excitement about the Holidays. Sneakily alchemized Christmas Decoration in the shape of her Caduceus Symbol, which everyone thought was fun and tasteful, while she snickered under her breath, knowing no one would ever know what she was doing, definitely not even John who off-handedly remembered having heard something about Cherub Snakes back in the Bubbles. She notices Roxy’s plot to walk her under every piece of Mistletoe they can find, and she loves it. She also incites another controlled Trickster Incident much like during Rose and Kanaya’s wedding.
Karkat Vantas: There’s a list of Movies he’s got ready to watch and a schedule for 12th Perigee and he will stick to it and get insufferably cranky if things are not on time. Knows absolutely nothing about Human Jesus and couldn’t care less about the Fat Red Man in an Antlerbeast Carriage, but it’s obvious he still loves the Holiday. The only time of the year you can actually see him actively wearing red clothing.
Kanaya Maryam: Has learned everything there is to learn about Human Traditions and takes Hanukkah more seriously than Rose. She tries to disconnect from her tasks at the Brooding Cavern, but can get frankly antsy unless Rose is reassuring her to lay back and relax for her well deserved vacations. Initially unwilling, but eventually compliant to become the Star for the Christmas Tree, even if it was just for a single photograph.
Terezi Pyrope: Still out there in the Furthest Ring looking for Vriska. Please come back home, everyone misses you and you’d LOVE all the red shit that’s everywhere this time of the year. Has actually, secretly Alchemized and Sendificated a bunch of presents before she left to the Furthest Ring, ready to be delivered to everyone else. She comes back with ‘presents’ for everyone, in the form of Davepeta, Sollux and Aradia, still alive and well after the Breach. Please Hussie.
why do you think Knight's are passive and Page's are active?
I was convinced about this by @revolutionaryduelist, and it comes down to the Active-Passive Dichotomy and how it’s interpreted in the canon, with Passive being Selflessness and Active being Selfishness. The terms actually coincide well with canon assessment of the characters, Rose and Dave being self-sacrificial and all for the benefit of their friends and those they care about, while Jane for example becomes extremely burnt out when she’s restrained by what’s going on around her, bottling up her emotions to a boiling point.
Which is not to say Selflessness is inherently Good and Team-Driven or Selfishness is Bad and Self-Driven- Roxy hates how Selfless she is that she feels worse about how others would feel about things than her own feelings, Dirk heavily struggles with his personality trying to better himself for his friends, Gamzee does everything as an act of love and worship towards Lord English, leaving him to become a dangerous wildcard for everyone else in the Story, and so forth.
With that being said, Pages seem to be more comfortable when they’re being Selfish. Jake’s obliviousness is used for his benefit, even though with Brain Ghost Dirk knowing what’s going on it implies he subconsciously acknowledges things like Jake liking him- But chooses to Believe otherwise because he doesn’t want to be caught in drama. Tavros, similarly, wants to earn confidence and ends up giving Vriska the middle finger and tagging along with Meenah to fulfil his dream of becoming a Cavalreaper. Horuss, specially, keeps Rufioh pretty much in a relationship with him by never letting the fact he wants to break up with him come out, benefiting himself while keeping someone who’s just a bit too good with him trapped.
same anon but I just watched a video on a Knight of Space where they could essentially throw a playing card at you and suddenly it's the size and ass of the Empire State Building, or throwing a rock at almost light speed with the force of a nuclear explosion, but what really had me wondering was this: them being able to warp space around Skaia and send the meteors to destroy Derse. How plausible are all of these?
Weaponizing Space, Proportions and things like that make the first few things sound appropriate enough, and as for basically making portals to deliver things to other places? It sounds very much like ‘Serving Through Space’, delivery by portal.
Do you think that every time player requires something akin to the timetables? Also, what class would have the most control over an aspect, specifically time. (Excluding master classes)
It seems to be the case, it’s just too versatile of a device when you’re the Time Player NOT to have an equivalent. Who ever would be given the chance to use Time Travel in a Game that’s basically one big countdown and not use it?
As for Control, well that depends on what you want when you think ‘control’? Sylph/Maids and Prince/Bards ‘Make’ and ‘Destroy’ their Aspects, they’re the most absolute of the basic Classes, their powers the most dramatic and intense- But the Know/Change pair is more versatile and broad. So both edges of the spectrum could fit the bill really?
Speaking of seer of void (sorrya bout that mix up earlier btw I meant doom) I have a bc that void seers have a type of psychometry with objects so if someone spiked a drink or w/e they would sense and see the secrets and avoid the danger
A radar for misdirection, lies and lack of information is definitely something a Seer of Void would be able to pull off, that for sure. Detect Illusory Wall level 100
Why did Dave's Kernelsprite accept the crow+sword as one thing?
Even if they were two items, the fact the crow was dead and impaled made it count as one apparently. Similarly, even though their bodies were dismembered, more than two pieces and tossed at the same time, Tavrisprite was made as a 2-prototyped Sprite. Seems like the intent behind the Prototyper’s actions carries a lot of weight behind how things are prototyped, and things can be symbolic as well- Such as a bunch of ashes becoming Nannasprite rather than just an ashy Harlequinsprite.
I was thinking about five man bands ands aspects... Heart(Chick) seems to be oblivious with holding everyone together - Blood. Brain seems to be Mind or Light, while Brawns might be Life (But I am not sure). Leader works as Breath (with all the direction stuff and leadership) Hovewer It might be Hope.... What is your opinion in the subject?
I have absolutely 0 idea what you mean by ‘Five Man Bands’ and the scenario you’re depicting here, actually.
Five man band is pretty much a trope for standart protagonist crew - Leader is usually the mc, Lancer is best bud and second in command, Smart one is the one who specializes in magic or tech or battle plans, strong one is the one who acts as a team tank, while the Chick (or the heart) who often happens to be gal, keeps all those morons from fighting. Withou Heart team tends to fall apart fast.
Oh. Yeah I don’t know? I feel this would relate more to Classes and Aspects than just to Aspects and there could be quite a lot of different combinations that would work, shoving each of these stereotypes for just an Aspect feels wrong, almost like…
Well, almost like having a trope for every five-Character group, I always prefer variety over stuff like that.
