This just an observation, but I feel like some void bound people(ex. Roxy and Tegiri) have a connection with swords.
I mean, the Sword Roxy took was originally Bro’s.
I mean, the Sword Roxy took was originally Bro’s.
I did do a big talk about it a while ago, and here the dichotomy, as @revolutionaryduelist has talked about in the past, comes from a Selfishness vs Selflessness point of view.
See, the idea is that we are given a reduced view of God Tier powers by Calliope, she mentions “Exploit” vs “Allow”, but she also mentions it’s by no means a rule set in stone and that it’s more complex than that. So taking it from the actual Canon, you have the Lord and the Muse, the most Active and most Passive Classes respectively. If they truly are the most Active and the most Passive, it would make sense that Lords would only ‘Exploit’ directly, and Muses would only ‘Allow’ passively- Yet, Lord English does little to Time itself, the Alpha Timeline just so happens to fall in his favor, there’s a sequence of events that must bring him into being, and that allows for him to exist and Destroy everything he wants. His control over the Timeline is extremely passive. On the other hand, Alt Callie physically and very directly takes control of the Space around her and collapses it and herself into a Black Hole to tear the entirety of Paradox Space, an action that seems incredibly active. So this means there must be something more to Activeness vs Passiveness.
And that something, as far as we’re theorizing here, is that Lord English’ control of the Timeline benefits him and only him, and Calliope suffers an eternity of Isolation to fulfill a task that will bring down Lord English and tear down the complex time loop that is Paradox Space, for the benefit of the characters of the story. Lord English is extremely Selfish, Calliope is extremely Selfless, and this is something we can see being shared across all of the characters in one way or another.
John, a Heir, Passive, is all about his Friends and helping those he loves, to the point of constantly refusing the thought of Leadership. Karkat, for all his leader banter, is actually a softie that loves his friends and is only trying to push the team through. Roxy even specifically mentions how she hates her selflessness at one point. Dave and Rose both argue about wanting to go sacrifice themselves in each other’s places, and eventually sacrifice the two of them to blow up the Tumor. On the other hand you have Jane, who suffers incredibly when she’s being repressed by Jake’s obliviousness and relationship issues and not allowing her to actually express and take care of herself. Dirk, who struggles with taking too much control and being too overbearing and centered on himself. Not to say that Passive Classes can’t be Selfish and Active Classes can’t be Selfless, but as you examine the path of each character, you start to find their ‘happiest’ times tie in to this Selfish vs Selfless division. And of course that doesn’t mean Selfish = Bad and Selfless = Good- Selfless can definitely be seen as the ‘Greater Good’ or ‘What’s good for someone evil’, as we see with Aranea and with Gamzee respectively, while Selfishness can just be being content with something else that isn’t the Big Quest To Save Paradox Space, as we see with Aradia, just wanting to live on and watch the Ending, but still interacting in a friendly manner with everyone around her.
Yooooou could make a case for something like that, I’m not sure if Hope would be the best choice of Aspect to survive a Scratch, but I could see that being the case. Something defensive that pretty much creates an extra-Dimensional Bubble that remains unaffected by the Scratch, effectively erasing everything around them and leaving them suspended in the middle of the Furthest Ring where the Session used to be… Left floating in the middle of Eldritch Calamari Land.
Well, yes and no? Sometimes a Passive Player needs to still be Passive to be happy, but just learn to be less self-destructive/sacrificial. There’s degrees of Activeness and Passiveness, and what comes naturally should be what you should pursue. Trying to invert your Passive/Active Role forcefully could be rather toxic as well.
I believe Vriska mentioned it to John, explaining God Tiers as a means of going beyond the limits of the Echeladder once you reach the top. Given the God Tiers have new actual Tiers and rungs, too, I’d say it’s fair to think you need to level up to the max before God Tiering.
They’re erased in the exact same way- What is being reset is the Universe, Session included, so since the Sessions originated from the same iteration of the Planet that is being reset, they would’ve never started playing, and as such, would have their entire existences erased. Except these Sessions wouldn’t even have the ability to predict when the Scratch is happening and prepare for it, or perhaps even know why the Sky suddenly started to Glitch.
Hmmm, Karma, it’s not something I had thought much about but it’s a thing that definitely happens in Homestuck, to the point of spilling from the Ancestors to the Beta Trolls. That’s incredibly hard to analyse properly though- Sure, Mind is Choices, and Karma derivates from what you choose, but the nature of the Alpha Timeline is rather deterministic to start with, and thus Choice and Fate are kind of linked together. And whichever case, I don’t quite think Heart has a complementary anything to Karma, huh… It’s a bit of a nebulous thing, I can’t come up with anything right now but if something pops up I’ll reblog this with new thoughts on the issue!
It’s actually possible the Jadebloods hand over Shirts with Signs to the Lusii so they can dress the Trolls once they pupate from their Grub state. Otherwise there would be a period of time between pupating and acquiring clothes where every young Troll would just be around, designing their house with the help of the Drones, while also naked. We really don’t even know how the signs are given in the first place, so maybe we’ll get this answered in the next Act of Hiveswap.
Well, the question here would be, do Heirs need to Shapeshift, and do all Fairies go through a metamorphosis? Aranea is a bit of an outlier when it comes to metamorphosis, unless you count her going Pirate-y and kind of evil a Metamorphosis on the level of Rainbowdrinkerism or Robotification + God Tier Ascension. It seems to be a trend, and a fitting one at that, but it may not be a required step. That being said? Maids have the ‘Made of’ thing, so, Made of Hope, Made of Void, I believe making themselves into an embodiment of their Aspect most definitely fits their powersets.
Oooh, an interesting concept, and technically plausible since Sessions are kind of suspended in the Furthest Ring and I bet Paradox Space could pull something dumb like smashing a bunch of them together for funsies.
The Alphas managed to interact with the Betas only in two occasions, one when they actually got past their respective Pocket Dimensions and reach the new Session, and prior to that, sending and taking stuff through Sendificating and Appearifying Technology. The items Jake sent made it into the Session through the Frog Temple machine, but when they were interacting, their iterations of Earth were running parallel and interacting with each other- Earth, not the Session. Similarly, Roxy’s snatching Jaspers from the other Iteration of Earth is a thing linking both Planets, but not Sessions. This is because, in the eyes of the Universe, the Scratch has always happened and the new iteration of Earth sort of happens at the same time as the previous one. It’s unknown if the energy of the Scratch would ALSO affect the future of Alpha Earth, however, since the Red Miles is a way more pressing concern for the people living in Sea Hitler’s Water Apocalypse.
Honestly, Roxy kind of just. Sleepwalks into the Furthest Ring, it seems the border of the Incipisphere isn’t too far away from Derse itself. If it’s anything like Prospit having Skaian Eclipses, it’s likely Derse’s Moon actually passes through the Furthest Ring whenever the moon turns just right. So all you would kind of have to do is drift into Space and hover for a little bit.
That being said, this would also put you in the middle of an uncharted, tentacle-filled nightmare afterlife- And that’s even if the Horrorterrors allowed you to even interact with the Bubbles (Remember they were made by Feferi’s Request).
Okay, I get what you mean and yeah it fits the Muse of Blood role, but also like, half of the Homestuck Cast has this exact same power and they all only deserve the best.
I mean, this is pretty much what happens with the Beta and Alpha Kids but less Dramatically and with Ectobiology. Being Ectobiologized isn’t even like, a requirement to win the game, rather it’s the Universe’s Means of actually ensuring the Session exists in the first place- If there’s people who were Made in the Session, it means that those Kids must play SBURB eventually and make themselves, otherwise the Timeline wouldn’t exist in the first place. Once those Kids are in the Game though? There’s no written rule that says any other Session couldn’t win the game. Of course the Kids get everything they need because, they’re the ‘protagonists’ in the eyes of the Timeline. But everyone else, yeah, as long as their Sessions get what they need and they don’t die and the Reckoning isn’t too fast and the Game doesn’t Glitch somehow-
You know what every time I talk about how hard SBURB is I realize, no wonder this god damn thing was a Beta and an Alpha in the Earth Universe, talk about a messy piece of shit.
Depends? The Furthest Ring is weird. There’s no such a thing as Time and Space. They could move forwards for millennia and not bump into anything, or they could stay in the same spot and watch as creation itself unfolds around them.
This is kind of a nasty one, Commanding Life means having a control over Nature. Life itself bends to the Lord’s will, to start with Regeneration Capabilities and Enhanced Bodily Functions are most likely a thing, but on top of that, just anything living would act for their benefit in one way or another. Animals, Plants, Microorganisms, Sickness- Oh hey look they’d never get ill, that’s kind of nice. But on top of that? Agency. Commanding Agency makes me think they would be able to pretty much erase Free Will from people and get them to do whatever they want.
Oh god I forgot that you need the fucking Last Frog to make a non-cancerous Universe. Sure you can win without it as we saw with Karkat and Kanaya, but you literally cannot make a healthy Universe if you’re not Jade- She saw the Frog. Not anyone else. In Hindsight we do know where it would be, but in-Universe? No one would think to look back into Earth, years in the past, in the middle of the Pacific Ocean, for a few seconds.
Yes, and they only actually take their role as the Protagonist during a climatic moment. Wasn’t there an Anime Idea going around Tumblr once, where someone was born as an Anime Protagonist but heavily tried to avoid getting involved into any mess?
Entering the Kids’ Session is literally as easy as going to the Frog Temple and stepping into the Derse Transportalizer. The bigger Question is how she went from the Alternian Universe to the Earth Universe, although I think Hiveswap/Hauntswitch will answer this.
Do they? Thanks for the reminder, I forget the details of the Brooding Caverns things a lot honestly. I’m really looking forward to get a more in-depth explanation from Act 2 or 3 of Hiveswap.
If that’s the case have you thought of a Maid rather than a Sylph? Given they’re the same Verb but opposite on the Passive/Active Spectrum, a Maid of Light may fit you better then? Sadly though I don’t think I can explain the Classes by themselves better than I have in the past? If it maybe helps tip the balance though, here’s what I said about the Sylph and the Maid of Light.
Now this is an interesting question, because this is essentially what Calliope wanted her Session with Caliborn to be. It’s actually quite possible that it would be split in half perfectly to allow entry to both Players separately, while sharing a single countdown.
I’m doing fine, thanks! Why the concern though, did I seem otherwise? :o
I mean let’s be fair, how many people would be in McDonald’s during a meteor rain- Actually don’t answer that.
The U L T I M A T E S H I P P E R. No but really, they’d likely work as something of a Cupid making Feelings for others blossom in people and bending romantic attachment to their will. However with the ‘Soul’ part of Heart, it’s also likely they’d command the Afterlife itself, perhaps bringing Souls back from the Afterlife or something like that.
I mean, there’s no precedent for something like that, and I feel that would be extremely limiting of Classpect stuff. A big part of your Classpect is that… It tailors to what you think it may be able to do, as long as it fits the Class and Aspect guidelines. By having a premonitory vision of what you will be doing, you pretty much lock your choices right from the get go.
Rage and Fire, I’m not quite sure how related they may be but I kind of like the idea of being so angry they literally combust into flames.
Yep, God Tier powers are sort of inherent to everyone in Homestuck, even if not to their full potential or to the degree of control God Tiering allows, some characters seem to have God Tier abilities before God Tiering. Seers are specially notorious about this. Even non-players show these tendencies too- Condy for example definitely seems to have Thief of Life-y abilities even though she never even played the Game until she hijacked the Black Queen’s throne.
Mage, Muse. Sometimes people ask me for differences between some Classes and I’m honestly not quite sure where they come from, Muse and Mage are rather different.
Well thank you! :D
Weaponizing Nature. Either by making animals or plants attack something, or by having a sword made of thorny vines or something to that effect.
It would doubly work, you know why? Because Caladbolg is another name for Caledfwlch, which is, in turn, an equivalent to Excalibur.
What if all Knights have like.
An Excalibur-sounding weapon.
Rather, they seem like they’d take more of a frontline support role, able to attack and use Life to empower themselves and their mates and attack, but also staying back to heal up those that need it by Serving them Life, healing their bodies.
No need to @ me, but feel free to @ anyone you want I guess? Technically speaking you could play SBURB more than once but, really, would you really want to? SBURB is kind of brutal and bad for you. Not sure about a Double Ascension though, although I could see non-God Tiers being given a second chance to Ascend maybe.
Sounds like a solid cast, really.
I mean, ‘Curses’ could work in the sense that they fall under the Witch’s ‘Changing’ realm, like, a spell that alters the nature of something Aspect-based on a person. I could see Space being more the Lycanthropy one though, but I see how Life would fit into it, it just feels a bit stretching it too far to change someone’s entire Biology like that? Although explained like that it does fall into the Life Witch’s realm.
Depends on what their Aspect is, for all we know not even all Seers see the Future, the Seer of Space could just have Omniscience instead of Time-Based foresight.
Hard to tell about their Personality just like that. Issue with the Lord of Void is the sheer range of powers Void awards, and the immense power behind the Command action of a Lord. Commanding Void, first of all, means the Horrorterrors would definitely do the Lord of Void’s bidding. Then you have the meaning of Irrelevance, and Nonexistance- Both things the Lord would Command, choosing and dictating what is actually Relevant and what doesn’t Exist, this power would pretty much allow the Lord of Void to erase someone’s existence entirely just by willing it. Lies, Misinformation and Obscurity, the Lord of Void would also likely be able to obfuscate any kind of information they don’t want to become public or well known. It’s a fearsome Classpect combo.
Maybe the Muse of Heart? Given the Heart’s connotations with the Self and the potential Emotional Manipulation, I could see them struggling with the amount of power they’re given and their own nature? Otherwise, though, I feel most Muses could fit that role under certain circumstances.
Neither do I, specially when it comes to Master Classes vs Master Classes, things get messy. There’s way too many factors to have in mind for it to just go a single way without any more context than the Classpects.
Well, Eridan, power-wise, they’d be about on par with the Lord of Void. However, while the Lord of Void would directly Command Void and have the Horrorterrors follow their will, it’s likely the Muse of Void would struggle with their irrelevancy and lack of importance until they find their strength, fading away from everyone, isolated, but with the potential to erase everything they deem unfair and bend the Eldritch just the same as a Lord would.
There are no Gender-Restricted Classes, anyone can be any Class. As for the Muse of Life, I cannot tell if they’d have quite a lot of freedom to do things or if they’d be heavily restricted in what they can and can’t do, and there’s no in-betweens here. Commanding Life would put them at the level of a Deity of Nature, or a Disney Princess, or both, with animals following them and plants blossoming under their touch. Powerful Healing Capabilities for sure as well.
Except also not necessarily, the initial image that comes to me when it comes to ‘Life’ it’s Living Things, Plants, Animals… But they could also have an army of bugs. And technically, microorganisms and sickness are biological and may fall under the Life realm, as well as potential bodily Mutations or Transformations. I’m warming up to the more broad ‘Biology’ meaning of Life thanks to a previous anon.
They would likely bring the best- Or well, the most convenient facets of others with their mere presences, and yet at the same time they may feel forced to showing their best 24/7, which could be draining. A powerful Combo, Commanding Mind straight away implies some sort of Telepathy, if not straight up Mind Control, and I could see them allowing others’ to make Choices they would otherwise not be able to as easily as taking said Choices away and Choosing for them what they believe is most Convenient. And while I would see this more as a Lord of Mind thing, the Muse of Mind may also be able to pull off a Hivemind-like power.
The Aspect. As much overlap as there’s with some, a Space and a Heart Players are related to drastically different things, and not just power-wise. Souls and Inner Self vs Creativity, Space and Isolation, I’d say they’re quite distinct!
It heavily depends. If that is your thinking as a Muse, a Muse of Mind would definitely pull it off, but making a Hivemind inherently kind of destroys people’s agencies and ability to choose and think for themselves, which to me personally seems rather selfish.
We only know they only happen under special circumstances, but we don’t really know what triggers them. Yaldabaoth seems to just pop up in random 4-Player Sessions no problem so I can’t see why a Lord or Muse couldn’t be in a normal Session because of something specific.
Players tend to stick to a single Aspect at a time, however they’ve been shown to be able to adopt other Aspects other than their own through outside forces- Corruption in the case of the Horrorterrors, but definitely possibly, if perhaps unhealthy for them.
And God Damn Smug about it as well.
Yes, also reinforced by the idea Jane, Nanna, actual Grandma Level Cookies, is a Maid of Life, which is certainly not a Sylph but like, still a Make Class. This idea is Canon Approved.
That’s a thing I’ve thought John would be able to do in the past indeed! Convenient to play loud pranks without using a megaphone.