January 2018

Hey uhhhh long time listener first time caller, can I get some help with figuring out the kinda stuff a Seer of Heart could do?

Hey there! Well I’ve actually already talked about the Seer of Heart! In conjunction with the Mage, but:

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so is there a TRUE afterlife in Homestuck or is it only the dream bubbles and the thing is are they even souls or are they just the consciousness of the person that's stripped from their body after death and the "true" soul goes to the afterlife (the official one)?

It’s hard to say if the Ghosts in the Bubbles are the true ‘Souls’ or perhaps a ‘copy’ of sorts, but the Dream Bubbles are NOT the True Afterlife of Homestuck. If there’s something like an Afterlife, we have never seen it- After all, Feferi is the one that makes the Horrorterrors blow the Bubbles for them. It’s also dubious if Lord English’ Ghost Killing means they go to the True Afterlife, if there’s one, or if he’s annihilating the Soul completely and leaving Nothing behind, absolute and complete oblivion.

It should be noted that Ghosts do exist outside of the Bubbles- Aradia and the spirits of other Dead Trolls on Alternia seem to be bound to the earthly plane, so either there is no Afterlife and they just remain haunting the world, or those specific Trolls didn’t pass on to the Afterlife because they had unfinished business as is usual with Ghost Stories.

what if ectobiology also copied a person's soul/consciousness?

Then that would imply Memories are coded in the DNA itself. Since it’s what Ectobiology does, take the DNA into a goopy mess.

so do Horrorterrors have Life and Void powers cuz of the whole dreambubble and living in the furthest ring thing?

They’re sort of God-like. So it’s possible they just have generally All-Aspects powers.

I doubt ectobiology would transfer memories. Since John doesn't have the memories of the other John that ectoed him up. Plus if they did that would mean any ectobabies mixed with two (or more) different DNAs would have a real big memory issue.

Yeah, I don’t think so either but, it was still an interesting concept.

Does the Blood aspect and the Time aspect have the same colour schemes?

Nope, the Blood symbol itself is darker, and the God Tier robes use dark reds and browns.

Would a Seer of Time able all 3 time; the past, the present and the future?

In all likelihood. 

where did the Horrorterrors come from? any ideas on that? also why are there barely any dead alpha kids and beta kids in the dream bubbles? the trolls are the ones with the most ghosts but there aren't many of the kids or even cherubs

The Horrorterrors are just a force of Paradox Space much like Skaia is. It’d bet he same as asking ‘Where did SBURB come from?’, it’s just part of Paradox Space, Elder Deities hovering the outskirts of the Universe.

As for the Dream Bubbles, there are multiple reasons but, well, think that Karkat’s group spent a few weeks and there were 1000 Aradiabots, and the Dancestors spent years in the Session. The Betas were in their Session for 1 single day, and the Alphas had to spend nearly half a year, but said half year was incredibly uneventful. Not many points where a Timeline can split when you spend so little time and there’s not much to do.

What classpects have the potential to create things ? Sort of like, how roxy can create things from nothing, what other classpects can do that creating things ?

Maid and Sylph for sure, Page we’ve seen it in Canon as well. Technically with enough of a reacharound most Classpects should be able to ‘Create’ things, even if just by stretching the definition of their powers, or with specific Aspects.

Since you have to have a Knight in a successful session, I think a Knight of Doom or Rage would be in best interest. Since a Knight makes the session lack that Aspect (Dave meant the Reckoning came fast, Karkat had not so good friends, and Latula had one dimensional idiots(exaggerating to make a point)), I feel like these would be best. What do you say?

I feel you’re coming to a lot of conclusions, as I’ve argued before, I’m not sure about the validity of ‘Knights’ Aspect is what the Session Lacks’, and I’m even less sure about the need of a Knight for a successful Session. The only canon mention I remember about requisites is a Time and Space Player, and after arguing with some friends, it seems that the Time Players are only necessary to fix misshaps and tie Time Loops together so you could argue in some cases you may not even need Time.

A while ago a podcast called LMTYA made a video about the Aspect quiz, and them taking it. One of them was going on about how if he had Time powers he would use it to see what would happen if XYZ happened or ABC didn't. It interesting and I suggest you check it out, but I wanted to ask this: Is that what a Prince of Time would do, or a Witch of Time? I'd also would like to hear your thoughts after you watch the video

Honestly it may be more of a Seer/Mage thing if it’s focused on Knowing what divergences like those would be like, rather than making them Happen. Also I maaaay not really check it or check it in a long while, I’m slow when it comes to watching videos and stuff, specially if they’re more Podcast-y.

Does any class assigned with Hope aspect start out with omnipotence or is that only reserved for Lords? If so, does that mean that Hope players aren't all omnipotent?

I think you mean Light, not Hope, Light is what’s usually associated with Omniscience. Full Omniscience, though, it’s hard to tell what Class, if any, would have it. I mean look at Doc Scratch, he’s the most Omniscient Being we know and he still has dark pockets in his foresight.

I always wondered why Times colour is red and not white, since Spaces colour theme is black. Then I remembered that Caliborn is the lord of time and his blood is red.

And while the Space outfit is Black with a White Symbol, Space Powers are generally bright Green- Like Calliope. The Red-Green Duality is pretty huge in Homestuck.

I find it funny that, for all of Homestucks subversions of expectations, Hope is still the strongest power ever. Stronger than both the green sun and Caliborns 'ability to destroy anything for however long he wants, which is everything and forever.'

I mean, Caliborn needed to be Defeated in order to START his destructive rampage post-Masterpiece, so in the end it kind of worked out for him. We all just believed hard enough that Hope was the strongest, and this is the result! :p

Could it be said that just in terms of using the aspect in different ways, the Witch is sort of the jack (noir) of all traits?

That’s a way to see it, I can’t say it’s 100% accurate but it’s definitely a way to see it.

Hiii :) I looked through our tag to make sure I didn’t ask a question that had been answered, but what powers do you think a Sylph of life would have?

Sylph of Life would be the absolute Ultimate! They’d Heal Life and Improve Life and Make Life, we actually see this with Jane- Her powers are extremely healing-based, and she’s the only Character we see able to RESURRECT People, even if just once. She resurrected herself, she resurrected the plants of half of her planet in Trickster Mode with a single jump… Of course, Sylphs aren’t Maids, but the basis of Creating Life and Creating Through Life is there.

Which doesn’t mean they wouldn’t have any offensive powers, if they Improve Biology they may be able to help overcome human limits and just get super strong or something like that. Improving and Making Agency would make them a really big help in ensuring everyone can do what they want. And their focus on Passivity- Reactiveness, Group-Thinking, means that they would be way better suited for aiding and keeping everyone safe than the Maid.

So... something I never really understood: the Masterpiece has Li'l Cal ending up in the Void, but how does Lord English actually come about from that? Maybe I missed something, but how does he end up bursting out of Doc Scratch if his soul is still floating around somewhere in the Void?

Doc Scratch was Alchemized from Lil Cal. The Lil Cal Hovering in the Void is basically a ‘Door’ for his Soul to Manifest within Lil Cal in other Universes. He tells us quite literally, he persists as a Nightmare- It almost feels like a disease, spreading through the Universe, taking control of people, hijacking First Guardians, anything in order to perpetuate himself and cause chaos and mayhem.

Actually, I meant omnipotence

Oh whoops. Misread. Hope and Space may be the closest Aspects to getting ‘Omnipotence’ as you can get, but even a Lord would still be Limited to that Aspect and not be able to do some things. Hmmmm.

Omnipotence is the power to rewrite all of reality at its basic level. No single class or aspect can do that. Hell, no power in Homestuck at all is omnipotent. Space players and Green Sun users are restricted to space stuff, Time players are restricted to time stuff and so on. No one can truly be omnipotent in the setting, hell no one gets even close

Yep, Omnipotence is too OP.

So I have a question about light and void. So the domain of luck, according to the fan base is split between light and void. But when is void ever been explicitly associated with bad luck? I mean the dichotomy of each pair doesn’t involve every thing in opposits. Maybe light is luck in general ( both good and bad ). While void, yes could be seen as lacking luck maybe it just means lacking EVERY aspect ( or specific aspects depending on the person.

You’re correct, the association is more with Lack than with Misfortune, but since it’s the opposite pair people tend to associate it with Bad Luck. 

Wouldn’t Jane need a mask for her land (Crypts and Helium) because of the properties in Helium? I don’t see why she was less deserving off a mask than Dirk and Jake, especially considering all the time she spent on her land.

Jane’s Land’s atmosphere is not filled with Helium, rather there’s vents that produce it and Balloons that float up when filled with it. As such, the amount of Helium in the air is likely not too overwhelming, in fact since it’s lighter than air there may be no noticeable traces on the ground, and while long exposure may get her dizzy, as long as she doesn’t shove her face on one of the vent thingies she should be alright, albeit perhaps with a squeaky voice.

Jake only wears a Mask in Dirk’s Land, so it’s not both Jake and Dirk- Just Dirk, and in his case, the atmosphere of his planet IS filled with Krypton. But only at the lower levels- Since Krypton is heavier than air, we see him wear the mask at the bottom, but not at the top, it sinks down. Krypton is not toxic, but in high concentrations it can be suffocating because of the lack of oxygen, which is why they need masks.

Wait, does that mean Hope players aren't omnipotent when they god tier or does it take lots of training for that to happen?

What makes you think Hope Players are Omnipotent at all?

no pls no hope arguments. hope can do a lot but it isn't omnipotent, no aspect is

??? Hope Arguments? Is this a normal occurrence or…? I just want to see why other Anon thinks Hope Powers = Omnipotence.

Hope arguments are a thing that happens A LOT. Especially when the whole “ hope is the strongerst aspect “ thing happens ... I’ve seen forums and chats spiral out of control, fast due to that :(

Yes but this is not a forum or chat, and if things get heated I can just stop replying to asks. :V

lord of hope could be omnipotent because of the fact that they have complete control of hope, and hope is seen to be able to create, as seen with brain ghost dirk.

That is true but- Consider. A Rogue of Void can also Create things. And the Maid and Sylph’s verb is Make. Omnipotence is more than just Creation, and as long as Characters are divided in 12 Aspects, there will always be something even a Lord can’t do because it relates to another Aspect.

I'm not trying to start an argument, calm down. I just want to know if Hope is at the very least balanced because it's basically making the real impossible, so that's why I thought they were omnipotent.

I know. :p Tell that to the other bunch of anons on my Inbox though! But nah, there’s limits to what Belief can do, even Jake’s Hope Outburst could only last so much and keep Brain Ghost Dirk ‘real’ for so long. He only overwhelmed Jade because Aranea pretty much Buffed him. So it wasn’t just Hope, it was the work of two God Tiers working together to take Jade down. 

a hero of hope cant jump trough time like dave or have the same space powers as jade - hope can do a lot of things but it depends on your class and who you are as a person. if a hero of hope believes they can do anything theyre gonna lose themself because this is where a god complex starts and we got some prime examples how that worked out

Hope Discourse is officially closed bois, no need to rant in my Inbox.

If the Sylph of Life is the strongest life player type, do any other aspects that have a best combo?

Not the Strongest Life Player- The most efficient Healer, Life doesn’t need to equate Healing all the time, nor is it the most ‘powerful’ combo as much as it is the most Healing-oriented one I can think of. The Seer of Light does tend to work well for just getting as close to Omniscient Prophet as you can.

would it be safe to say you could do p much anything if you could get the wording on your classpect to agree with you? like I'm the maid of blood so I serve my friends but I also Serve my friends with sick burns (lame example but u get the picture)

Yes, but in this blog we headcanon the Maid to Make rather than Serve! The Knight/Page is what I consider the Serve Classes.

Can you explain why the Condesce died? I dont know if i misread that but doesn't LEs 'curse' make the afflicted person immortal?

It’s supposed to give Inconditional Mortality until the person inflicted by the Curse is sort of ‘allowed’ to die for Lord English. The fact Condy died can mean a variety of things!

1) He didn’t need her anymore, all he needed her for had been done, and thus she was simply useless and in fact, quite a liability given she was plotting against him.

2) The fact she was trying to take him down nullified the Curse as he’d not want her power to be used against him.

3) The Timeline we’re in at the End is not the Alpha Timeline.

For now, we can just speculate though.

Pt.3)So from all that, the Seer, Mage, Maid, Sylph, Lord, and Muse of Mind could use this ability to allow consciousness to live after death by merging with another? For example, if the original died on their bed, allowing the dream version to ascend, then could the 2 versions merge, allowing the original to experience life after death in a new body? The dream self will be a failsafe or a catalysts for a Godly reincarnation; neither version needs to be left out, as long as there's another body.

Pt.4)Last part, please. I know that using fire is a Light thing but Mind can use any “Psychic Powers”, right? So pyrokinesis/fire-bending is something all Mind players can do and all just as effectively as a Light user, right? Thank you for you’re responses to my questions on Mind powers and the “differences” in potential powers between the Seer and Mage of Mind; I really appreciate it. They we’re really interesting to hear; good work.

I’m sorry bout Part 1 and 2 didn’t show up so this is all I’ve got to work with! From the context though I can get a few things- There can definitely be ways for the ‘original’ self and the ‘God Tier Ascended’ self to merge into one for sure, but at the same time it’s a bit unfair to call the Dead body the ‘original’, it is original in Body, but the Soul is indeed the same experiencing the same continuous Stream of Consciousness. And by the time you got to merge back into one being, both iterations would’ve surely diverged enough that mixing would be jarring. But it COULD be possible, yeah. Fire is not necessarily a Light thing, it could be a couple different Aspects. Psychic Powers sort of also happen without ties to the Classpects it seems- Like the Psychic some Trolls get, but I guess if you’re going with some Mind Fuckery, yeah Mind Players may be more prone to getting Psychic Abilities. I don’t see why not.

do you think its possible for a session to be successful without a space and time player? with the correct type of classpects acting as some sort of substitution? like maybe a thief/rogue of void could create a genesis frog? just throwing things and seeing what'd stick :P

I don’t think it’d be possible to win without a Space Player, and it would be extremely difficult to win without a Time Player. I don’t think getting the Genesis Frog is even remotely feasible with God Tier powers, otherwise it’d make the entire game kind of a moot point. Time, though, after re-checking the Canon and seeing that Hephaestus does NOT in fact Light the Forge- Rather, the Space Player talking to Echidna does, I have found no mechanical way in which a Time Player is NECESSARY other than giving extra time and completing Time Loops. Without a Time Player, you’ve got One Chance at winning SBURB, and as we’ve seen from Canon, everything needs to be so specific and there’s so much that can go wrong, the lack of a Time Player is seen as something that makes the game Unwinnable.

What do you think happened to condie in the beta kids timeline? She just kinda ... disappeared one day before the plot began

It’s honestly possible that she noticed she was in the wrong iteration of the Universe and kinda hopped on to the Alpha Timeline as the Very Same Condesce. The issue is that we still do not know how she even got to Earth in the first place- I’m hoping Hiveswap will shed some light on this.

If the last one is true than Hussie will prolly surprise us all with a sudden update a few years down the line, where it turn out everyone is actually dead and we have all been living a dream

Nah, if we’re not in the Alpha Timeline anymore, it means that the Kids have escaped the grasp of LE’s influence on Paradox Space now that it’s being torn apart, and thanks to John’s Retcon Powers, so they can live their lives in peace without bothering about anything else.

My bf is a time player and I'm a space player, we are time and space. Thought that was neato.

Good news, you two can have a quick, nice 2-Player SBURB Session without having to wait for more people to connect and risk having someone die from the meteors if it came down to it and it wouldn’t be completely hopeless!

let me have my dreams of homestuck not being over

It’s not over, there’s the Epilogue left. :p I’m not saying there won’t be more updates- I’m saying the updates will probably NOT involve everyone being dead.

sylph of void: to fix nothingness, or rewritten: to fill the void (commonly to fill an empty position) therefore, could a sylph of void fill a position the team is lacking? for example, if the session didn't have a time player for whatever reason they could fill it when needed?

You know, that’s an extremely clever way to twist the Classpect Definition, I like it. Given we do know Non-Time Players can use Time Machines, I bet at least they’d be able to go back and forth. Whether they can properly grasp Time Loops and not end up with a thousand dead Sylphs, now that’s another issue entirely.

Didn't Hussie once literally say 'Oh no there are some character i havent killed off yet!'

That’s a joke my good buddy.

isn't it possible to reach another session through the furthest ring? that's what I always thought the condesce did

Getting to another Session through the Furthest Ring is already a big endeavor, I can’t even imagine adding having to travel a distance through the Universe to get to the Planet in Question as well. I don’t think Condy of all people has that kind of patience, specially not after having spent 612 years returning to a Dead Planet only to get snatched by English.

How do people get classes ? Like what traits dictate if your a knight or a seer ? I read all your descriptions but I’m still confused on what the main traits of each class is.

Personalities? I’d say they’re kind of distinct enough from each other.

Imagine if you prototyped the sprite with either yourself or your dream self with a denizen and then got the ring

God, is it even feasible to drag either the Denizen to your Kernel or your Kernel to the Denizen? That’d make for kind of an interesting story, but wow, bet Echidnasprite wouldn’t be too happy.

You guys sure like that Ring!

Yeah but imagine

No seriously. Any major concesquences?

No idea if you’d get prototyped or not, if you ascend as Half Carapacian, does being only Half count? It’d be an interesting concept to explore, but I’m not sure how happy SBURB would be about all of that.

If I'm a time player, could I pull the davesprite bullshit and prototype myself even if it isn't a doomed timeline?

I mean if you’re gonna go ahead and prototype your Alpha Self I’m pretty sure you can pull it off as any Aspect.

So, how did you figure out that your classpect ?

As I’ve said before, it was a dream!

It was a dream ??? Okay now I’m confused

Yep, I dreamt that I woke up on Prospit and I saw in my mind’s eye that I would die if I went outside. So, Seer of Doom, Prospit Dreamer.

Ok what the fuck you woke as your dreamself I'm impressed. Now I am fully convinced homestuck is real Noone can prove otherwise to me.

:p That was the first and only time that happened though.

I wish I had dreams

That’s the saddest thing I ever heard get said.

YES ! Now I know I’m a mage , since somethiens when I sleep I get like glimpses of random things. But most of the time what I see actually comes true. Which mage classpects would constantly have dejavu moments ?

Hmm, Mind or Time sound choice for that.