I meant: How doTime and Mind players work together and what can they do by combining their powers? I remember that TZ and Dave brought Dirk back to life, for example
Oh! Well Mind is about the Choices you make, so with Seer powers it was mostly a matter of combining her foresight and their knowledge of what’s going to happen with Dave’s Time Travel. But, there’s like, a million ways any Aspect could combine with another one.
If a jade troll pretended to be teal, would it actually work on drones and social media? Like, would they still be forced to work with mothergrub?
I don’t see a reason why any caste couldn’t pass for another one as long as they manage to initially evade being caught by the Drones before settling somewhere else and changing their identity. That being said, they’d have to either keep their Lusus hidden as well, or have no Lusus, because if they have a Jadeblooded Lusus then they’re obviously gonna be a Jadeblood, not a Teal.
That being said though, that’d only give the Troll around… What, 7-9 Sweeps before they’re incorporated into the Work Force of Alternia and likely found out and punished for disrupting the Caste System?
Hmm, if mind is about choice, then what would a page of mind be able to do, since it’s a self-serving aspect? Get people to agree with them? And outside of mind control/manipulation, what do you think a more “aggressive” class like knight or lord be able to do with it?
Page of Mind
Knight of Mind
Lord of Mind
Not much on the Lord of Mind there, but the Hivemind aspect of it really sounds like something they’d do- Or alternatively, rather than Commanding Minds, they could Command Choices, becoming a sort of… Dungeon Master for the entirety of the adventure, controlling what’s going to happen and manipulating what others do.
Karkat an co. are the alpha trolls and Meenah and co. are the beta trolls, right?
‘Beta and Alpha’ have no meaning for the Trolls given that their version of SBURB, that is, SGRUB, wasn’t a game made by a company that dubbed it as Alpha or Beta, they made it themselves and sort of just played it. That being said, if you’re talking about ‘Beta’ as in the Beta Kids being the biological offspring of the Alphas, it’s implied Karkat’s group were the original, and Meenah’s the mix. Name-wise, however, the Dancestors are referred as the ‘Alphas’, arguably because they came first.
If Grandpa Harley was dead at the beginning of the webcomic, then why does he show up during the game driving that big ship?
Temporal Shenanigans, he doesn’t just show up there in the ship- He also hunts down Underlings and Minions, which he displays in his house, and brings Dead Dream Self Jade to Earth to have her taxidermed. Either he used his ship to go through Meteor Defense Portals, or merely stepped on the Prospit/Derse Telepads on the Frog Temple, which may have linked to the time the Session was actually happening merely because of Time Shenanigans. The guy is the one who got the entire code for SBURB after all so chances are he knows the shortcuts in and out.
As a doom seer do you instinctively know the rules of sburb and know how far you can push the limits?
More like I’m constantly paranoid I’m going to get killed by an Underling or a Dersite Agent every passing second.
Youre a seer of doom but you know so much about homestuck and other stuff!so uh isnt that kind of a light player trait? Knowing a lot about things? Like can it be a thing? Having traits of an aspect and identifying with another?
Human beings are nuanced and can’t exactly fit into 12 categories, regardless of how broad they may be.
So I am a witch of life, and I can't get any ideas for powers or really what a familiar would be, and if you have already done witch of life could I get a link?
Curiously I haven’t done the Witch of Life before it seems! When it comes to Life-y Familiars however, they may be the easiest ones to come up with, given Plants and Animals can generally fall into the ‘Living’ part of the Life Aspect, most creatures that allow a Witch to do things could count as a Familiar in some way.
Powers however, the Witch of Life is that which Changes and Manipulates Life. We see this happen in quite a few different ways in the comic- Feferi, for example, wants to change the Hemospectrum, changing the way of living of the entire Caste! Furthermore though, she managed to do it in Beforus, and made it so that Highbloods Culled the Lowbloods, in her sense- Taking care of them, overbearingly so. This actually accounts for the Agency meaning of Life- She made it so that Lowbloods had basically no Agency of their own, and at the same time, locked Highbloods’ Agency to having to care for those of a lower caste. It’s this lack of Agency that makes Meenah consider the role of the Beforan Empress as a ‘Glorified Slave’, and exiles herself to the Moon!
She also communes with the Horrorterrors to create the Dream Bubbles- She Changes the nature of Life itself, by creating a faux Afterlife where everyone can live after they Die, and keep communicating with each other and sharing information and doing stuff. We also see a God Tier Feferi healing WV, although this could be just a normal thing with Life Powers in general, but it could also work about Changing Life and all.
In the end, the Witch of Life is all about that- Manipulating and bending Life itself, whether it be Lifespans or Living Beings, whether it be their impact on the world around them, or food.
Oh yeah, Life, of course, ties in to Consumption and Food, so they’d likely be pretty excellent cooks.
What would happen if your self-prototyped dreamself from a doomed timeline died on your crypt bed after your "alpha" self and dream self died ? Would they become the new "alpha" you ?
Oof… Okay, self-prototyped, I’m assuming you’re talking like in Davesprite’s case. Basically you’re asking, what if Dave died and Davesprite went God Tier. And the answer is… Technically they should not be able to Ascend? Because once you go Sprite and mix with someone, you become an entity different from what you were. So the Quest Bed is yours, not theirs. Jade ascended because it was her body on her Quest Bed, and pretty much assimilated the divergent Dream Self. If it’s merely the Sprite Dream Self with no ‘self’, using your Quest Bed, I believe the difference may be notable enough to prevent Ascension.
That’s why you should Ascend to God Tier BEFORE Self-Prototyping.
do you think several players of the same classpect could be in the same session? i find the idea funny, especially if they happened to be very different personality-wise.
Yeah, sure.
Can you captchalouge people?
You can Captchalogue living beings (Consorts), and Dead People, so likely yeah you can? But I wouldn’t be surprised if Captchalogues have restrictions in place to prevent this.
re: captchaloguing living people, I sent in an ask the other day about this but I guess it got lost in the void. Anyway, if that's possible, then you can probably also alchemize living people. To avoid philosophical weirdnesses though you'd probably want to just instruct your sprite to clone you if you die, not actually make duplicates of anyone who's still around.
Also, if you can captchalogue a person, you can then double-punch that card with a ghost image of their fursona. No self-prototyping and god-tiering necessary, just alchemize yourself into a furry instead.
There’s a possibility that while the Alchemiter could biologically reproduce your structure, it couldn’t exactly reproduce your Soul, so you may just end up with a Captcha Card that can make corpses of yourself. Not too pleasant. Unless you have a Heart Player to drag your Soul into the intact, newly created body maybe? There’s a lot of weird things you could do going down this rabbit hole.
And speaking of rabbit holes you can go down with, I’m preeeetty sure the Fandom is already quite acquainted with Alchemiter Character Fusions.
any furries in need of a heart player to drag their soul into their sona’s lifeless corpse hmu
Lmao.
Say you had rouge if hope to hope your soul into another body before you godtiered. Would you be able to godtier still? Or what if you have already Godtiered? Would you retain your godtier-ness?
I don’t think it’d work that well with a Rogue of Hope? I think you’d still God Tier though, because as we see with the John on the Quest Bed becoming a Ghost, it’d seem Normal Selves and Dream Selves share Consciousness, but not their Soul. If you’re God tier in a body and switch, though, you’re likely still God Tier, seems to be linked more to who you are.
why did gamzee cry when ARquius was made
Horses are Majestic.
He was also beholding the making of a fragment of Lord English.
But mostly, Horses are Majestic.
What do the lanterns on jane’s planet represent?
The life force of the Alpha Kids! When they died, they faded out, when they revived, they glowed again, and when they went God Tier, they straight-up exploded.
Would it work with a rouge of hope? Like, through the hope of doing the soul transfer, they steal the soul and give it to the new body?
Just use a Heart Player, their powers are the most closely related to Souls.
Whoever is sending me random strings of numbers and letters, Iiiii’m slightly unnerved and not going to look those up in the slightest because I’m afraid I’m going to get some virus somehow, if you’re trying to start an ARG try something a little bit less ominous?
If someone were to, say, alchemize a working lightsaber, would they be able to use it with their specibus set to bladekind?
That’s a tricky one. A Lightsaber is a sword- But it has no BLADE so to speak. I think a Lightsaber may be closer to Flashlightkind than it is to Bladekind in that regard, actually, buuuut your specibus may reluctantly accede if you try.
What 3 trolls had the best lusi?
Nepeta, Kanaya, and Redglare.
Which do you think are the symbolisms behind the rest of the kids' entry mechanisms excluding John
I’ve talked about them already, actually!
Can you tell me a simple way to remerber how alchemization works.
You literally just overlap cards in the Punch Designix/Totem Lathe, and either every hole from combining both cards (||), or only the holes that exist on both cards at the same time (&&), and use that to produce a new code.
Okay, but what about the alpha kids. I thought that they might be tied to the four horsemen of the apocalypse or something with Jane being famine (having her fruit denied) and Jake being Death with the cherub being hanged in the tree
We sadly don’t really see the other two so it’s hard to make a full assessment. Jane’s lack of an Apple reflect the fact their Session is Void, and both hers and Jake’s parallel John’s and Jade’s, so it’s hard to tell if there’s any intent like the 4 Horsemen.
That being said, I mean. This is Hussie we’re talking about.
I’m sure he snuck in the 4 HORSEmen somewhere.
How would you feel if sburb was real
Happy.
What's the significance of troll horns? Are shapes always somehow indicative of personality or is it random? Are there like... any actual limits on what horns can look like?
There are some patterns? Like, Jadeblood and Cerulean hooks, Goldblood double-horns, but other than that they all seem pretty much aesthetic. No limits really.
What would happen if you self-prototyped your realself, can you still ascend to god tier?
Maybe the Sprite can die on the quest bed? And of course there’s always the Crypt.
if Hussie came out and said everything about the Knight and Page class we knew was completely wrong what do you think the classes are second most likely to represent? totally hypothetical btw
I have no idea? Uh… Empower…? The thing is, Attacking/Wielding sort of fall under ‘Serving’ already so…
Instead of calling her my girlfriend I call her my matesprit send help
Pfffft.
Could a sprite be a link in a session chain
Only if it goes back in time to Earth to do so.
Is it really necessary to do something with the alchemized item gotten from the prepunched card? Or do you just need to make it to get in?
Some just require for you to wait, but most of the time it seems the items pose a first sort of riddle of what to do.
So basically have your void player whip up a perfectly generic object and alchemize it with another object to get a replica of the object??? Would that work cause I think it might
A PGO’s code is 00000000, you can’t combine it with anything. && combinations will give 00000000, and || combinations will just give the same code as the other item you alchemized it with.
if there's a finite number of possible codes, isn't there a finite number of alchemizations? also, how is it possible to captchalogue everything if there's theoretically and infinite amount of possible things to captchalogue?
Think of SBURB like a program. The program has a finite amount of space to work with, but it tries to generate instances for everything the Player may interact with or do. There IS a finite number of combinations- But exhausting them all would take an eternity for the Player. Even if they did exhaust it, there’s also the possibility of Codes overlapping as long as they’re made in different ways? It’s also possible overlapping codes will overwrite the least relevant item. Skaia knows, after all, everything you will ever do, so in your Timeline, you may have items allocated for all sorts of random codes ensuring you never apparently run out of combinations, even though if you started to intentionally make stuff just to exhaust combinations, you’d run out of them in due time.
Can trolls wings from their godtier tell us anything about their personality?
Depends on the wings? Most seem aesthetic.
Can we classify some classes and aspects as negative and positive? For example Prince is negative because it is a destroyer class, but combined with Doom which is a negative aspect, it makes positive. Prince of Doom = one who destroys Doom. I thought a bit about Bard, and it is a little bit ambiguous because Bard = one who destroys through . What do you think?
No, because you can Destroy Doom or Through Doom, which makes even the ‘Destroyer’ Classes never be positive or negative, in that sense at the very least. It’s all on how you use them.
Although Cerulean/Cobalt blood have special eyes such as Vriska, Aranea, Mindfang, Ardata and Remele, it's weird to see that Elwurd and Mallek have ordinary eyes
I mean, it’s just like how Zebede doesn’t have psionics, or Azdaja has three horns, special Caste things are tendencies, but not things that happen all of the time.
Okay Im probably missing something but why wasnt Dirks trickster mode like everyone elses? I feel like its obvious and I just wasnt paying attention
He’s just Like That, really. Personality, his issues, Prince of Heart, take your pick.
If your prototyped realself died on a quest bed, would the resultant god tier can your sprite's features and powers from the prototypings.
Nope, only if they ascended on the Crypt or if the Prototyped one were the Dream Self- If it’s the Sprite who dies on the Quest Bed, and it worked, then the Dream Self would ascend with none of the features from the Sprite. The question here is IF a Sprite can ascend dying on the Quest Bed. I’d imagine yeah if it’s the Alpha? But it’s hard to tell.
Can you have your real self in a Sprite but have your dreamself on the godtier bed, would that let you Godtier? Or can only the realself die there and have you godtier?
I think you can only ascend on the Quest Bed if you are your ‘main’ self, that is, your not-Dreamself while you have a Dreamself still alive.
How do the kids still have internet in the medium?
SBURB provides energy and internet. In fact, it seems the entirety of the Furthest Ring has a network of sorts.
Theoretically, what if two sessions beat the odds and won the game?
Then there’d be two new Universes! Even better for Skaia.
What about : your dream self is dead, your dream self from a doomed timeline is in a sprite and you die on your quest bed. What happen ? What would even happen if you die on your quest bed without a dreamself ? Do you just stay dead ?
If you die on a Quest Bed without a Dream Self you just don’t resurrect, you’re just dead. It’s also likely you need to DIE on the Quest Bed, so even if you dragged the body to the Crypt you’d still be unable to Ascend.
Chances are the sprite would work though- Dream Selves operate weirdly outside of the Time-Space Continuum.
So, when you win a session do you get a universe similar to the one you left but empty or is it completely blank skaias like 'your gods you do the work'? Also if you lose the ectocloner, you can't repopulate the new universe?
Chances are they’re all sort of randomized through the genetic code. Also, you can deploy an Ectobiology machine for the Frogs, likely you can just increase the size of that one if it came down to it.
Ok, what if sollux's dreamselves were put into a sprite? Like SolA and SolB in seperate sprites, the sprite sprite^2ed , then he godtiered?
Honestly I don’t even know if I want to think about the conundrum Sollux raises with two Dreamselves just because he’s like That.
Do you think it would be possible for suburb to actually be a thing here in our universe, theoretically?
As a believer in Alternative Timelines and Parallel Universes, I say, why not?
Can you prototype a living god-tier player? If so, would they still have the conditional immortality or are they just standard sprite-tier durable but without resurrection? Might a god-prototyping count as a “death” since they’re no longer a living god-tier player anymore, and thus resurrect a normal copy while also keeping the sprite?
Rosesprite. Seems like the God Tier powers stick, whether the conditional immortality ALSO sticks, it’s hard to tell, since we’ve also NEVER seen a Sprite ‘die’ outside of Spritexploding due to Stress.
No, Rosesprite came from the dead GO timeline Rose that Jaspersprite dug up. There’s no canon example of a living god-tier player being prototyped.
She was Dead yeah, but there’s no reason why the same entity being prototyped before or after death would change much! In fact, if after dying a Heroic Death she comes back with her God Tier powers, chances are if prototyped Alive they’ll also be there.
Could a heart player trap two souls in one Body? If so, could Vriska and Tavros not explode in their shared body?
Their explosion seems to be because Sprites just allow for extreme distress to make that happen- We do know Heart Players can mess around with Souls so, as long as it’s not a body that can self-destruct? Sure.
I have one question about how Jake go godtier : was it his dream self or his actual body ?Because I don't remember seeing his dreamself after we saw it ''dead''
Jake is the only character in Homestuck we know of whose God Tier body is actually his original body, and not his Dream Self.
Could a Heart player intercept a Soul from a dead player before it goes to the bubbles or whatever other afterlife is out there? If so, can anything be used as a (temporary until a new body is made) vessel for them or only an "empty" juju like Cal?
I mean, ‘intercepting on death’ it’s kind of a weird thing to do? If anything, I feel you’d have better luck having a Rustblood Troll around to just commune with the Soul and let them hang around. Also of course, there’s the fact of the Bubbles being a Feferi thing and likely that not everyone goes there.
What if, during the paradox clone ectobiology phase, you just hit the "create babies" button twice? Only one version of everyone would be sent by meteor to your planet to become you, but you'd still have baby clones of everyone. Time and Heart players could then turn them into backup lives for everyone, as many times as you need.
I’m pretty sure only a villain would raise baby clones of yourself to become vessels in time something went badly.