April 2018

Okay but another counterpoint: every Sburb session from this Earth absolutely fails before the reckoning

Do you have that little faith in everyone. We don’t even need to get too far, all people need to do is prototype enough sprites pre-entry for the Battlefield to become a planet on which an actual battle can take place, and the Reckoning will follow suit eventually.

Okay it's not only 4/13 but it's also the second Friday of the month, which was the date on John's calendar at the beginning of homestuck

Ooooh, I didn’t remember that. :o Was 2009 like that as well? Or is it just coincidence this year?

Headcanon: Breath players have larger lungs than other players, so that they can use their breath [lol] to create winds, in case they're low on power

John whistles for some reason, accidentally causes a hurricane.

what happens when a session fails to create a universe? or they don’t fail to do that but can’t get into like the trolls? what would happen? especially if there wasn’t another session they could get into like the beta kids? do the ones who are still alive just wander through paradox space?

The Tumor in the Battlefield is made to erase most Sessions that fail to become fruitful. If you get to the point where you actually remove it though, THEN fail? Well.

Is an eternity of nothingness better or worse than just dying through the course of the game? You could try to just. Live your lives alone with not much else to do on the Lands on the Medium with the Alchemiters and stuff.

I managed to get my non-homestuck dad to take your quiz, and the e-zodiac quiz, apparently he's a prospit dreaming Heir of Mind! So I was wondering if you might have anything interesting about that title that I could share with him? I plan on reading through the results of both tests with him later, since he's pretty worn down and wasn't up to reading them himself, thanks in advance!

I’ve said a bunch about them before!

Okay, I remember that it was said that Epilogue will happen in 2018... I can't recall, was the day revealed?

That’s all speculation and hope. No actual date has been given.

Since Calliope is a Space player, then her planet would have been Land of Colours and Frogs?

If Calliope had been in a normal Session, yeah, but like. Chances are it was Colours and Mayhem as well, because it was a Dead Session.

What would happen if Lord English just, didn’t exist?

The ramifications would span all the way to the beginning of Homestuck. It’s very likely the Kids wouldn’t have even existed, and even if you just did the story as it was but removed LE, the entire plot would’ve been radically different.

Or, not. See, the thing about Lord English is that, he’s a Symbol. A lot of things in Homestuck are teased and talked about. They have roots in some sort of concept- Like a Yaldabaoth, and as the story goes on, Hussie developed such concepts. So, without Lord English, the story would’ve been radically different… But it could have also been the same, because without Lord English, Hussie would’ve made another figure to fill in the spot of the Yaldabaoth of the story. Different Twists and Turns, but ultimately, a similar threat with a similar end-game state.

Why did the trolls [alternian and beforan] maintained their aspects but the kids all had different ones?

True Signs, likely, they’re like, the Caste ideal so to say? Aspect and Moon-wise. So since Ancestors share the Caste and Symbol, it’s only fair they share the Aspect too.

so just like the seer of mind a seer of heart would also be able to see a persons “true self”?

Would a Seer of Mind be able to see a person’s True Self? They may be able to tell what they’re thinking and predict what they’ll do, but the knowledge of the Self goes deeper than that.

how much more control do active classes have over their aspects compared to passive classes?

It seems… None at all. The Active-Passive divide mostly seems to apply to tendencies and what they’re better at doing, but both Active and Passive Classes have a strong and similar impact.

I have to say I dont like some stuff I have seen about the muse being a worthless class because they are the most passive and then when I point to the blackhole callie made they try to wave it off

Well the people that try to say that kind of thing are just Weak.

I think that it is very likely that Ardata is a Scorpia (Derse + Light), possibly of the Destroying variety?

Scorpia or, my guess, Scorra, may be the two most likely ones.

I checked the calendar on one of the first few pages, and homestuck is on a friday!

Interesting! :o Also I think that doesn’t match to the date that ACTUALLY was back then.

I never thought about Ardata being a Scorra! That's very interesting, why do you think so?

She could be Mindy. Also, three eyes, ‘Mind’s eye’, and also because the Scorra symbol has three separate vertical lines, paralleling her “iii” quirk, the ‘three is/eyes”.

So Homestuck takes place on Friday, Feb 13th, 2009 right? And since that date doesn’t exist, does that mean Homestuck happens in a universe they started the calendar slightly off from us

April 13th* If anything it just means Hussie wanted to start it off on a Friday 13th even if it just didn’t actually exist. :p

Can I point out that Meenah and Feferi both represent the duality of water: water gives life [drinking water, amniotic fluid] and can cause death [drowning, water overdose]

I’m not quite sure? That may be a bit of a stretch.

Do you think it's possible for a non-troll godtier to have wings? I've heard it seems like godtiers become their ideal self, as they believe it to be, with the possibility of being altered like in Jade's case. Though that was kinda a specific set of happenstance, and I want to specify now: I mean getting wings without throwing your dreamself/wakingself into a sprite that has wings, and then godtiering

Wings are a thing that happens on Trolls because it’s a possible, biological trait. It’s a rare mutation, but it does happen, as we see with the Summoner. So unless the species can naturally grow wings for some reason, it doesn’t seem too likely, but hey- You CAN sort of add body parts to your Dreamself when you are in the Room, so maybe if you pair that with going God Tier it’d work?

Do you think Vriska's stinger horn can poison other trolls?

Please don’t make Vaaska more OP.

I love your icon

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beyond just roleplaying theory, it's normal for people to sometimes have tendencies outside of their title based on outside circumstances, right? or more specifically, it's that rather than that being their constant state of being, it's the state of being they feel most *them* being in, even if it's a challenge to always be in that state? all that stuff about people being three-dimensional and not just reducible to a title, sorry if the wording is confusing lmao

Well, feeling like a mix of Classes/Aspects and Roleplay is two different things entirely! Classes/Aspects are based on who you are, your nature, your Soul, yourself. So, as I say, and as you mentioned, people aren’t necessarily reducible to just a few categories. There’s a lot more nuance than that. Roleplay, however, adds yet ANOTHER layer on top of that! Roleplay is about refusal or emulation. Through admiration of someone else or refusal to accept your true calling, characters start emulating behaviors they see as ideals because of someone or something else. Tendencies of multiple titles is just you not being a character and Aspects being very broad and reaching, but Roleplay isn’t that you feel like two different Classes/Aspects so you pick and choose or mix, it’s that you admire someone and emulate them, or refuse to see yourself as something and follow an ideal set by societal expectations or by someone else.

different anon, but uh your recent explanation may have helped me. I think I might be a Heart player roleplaying as a Light player now, so uhh,, thanks?

Oh, no problem! :o Do note that while Roleplay can easily be toxic to yourself, it doesn’t necessarily have to be bad, specially if you have bad tendencies, emulating someone you think handles those things better isn’t bad at all. 

isn't the extended zodiac an example of roleplay (or as I like to say a secondary aspect)? like how we thought xefros was time because of his rust blood status, but was actually rage. in that case, his secondary aspect would be time.

The Extended Zodiac really did open a whole new world of Troll Classpect and Character Analysis given how society does seem to shove them into roles they don’t really belong into!

original roleplaying anon, thank you for answering! I worded the first part badly, what I meant more was "apart from roleplaying theory indicating one way people might act differently from their title, is it normal for people to have tendencies from other aspects at times, particularly due to things that may be less within their control?" but I still feel like the spirit of the question was answered. thank you!!

Mhmm I see! No problem! Sorry I didn’t get the original intent but I’m glad it worked out! Today’s been a bit of a frantic day.

Are cherubs naturally aware of their counterpart, or were calliope and calliborn just exceptions because they were able to communicate with each other?

Nothing indicates they’re unaware of their counterpart, so it’s likely Cherubs are at least somewhat aware of their consciousness kind of being unable to control their body while their counterpart is doing stuff.

How was arenea able to read minds, is it a blue blood thing or is it cause she's seer or something else

Cerulean blood powerset. 

How come Vriska couldn't read minds while Arenea could

Same reason Xefros has pitiful Telekinesis or why some Golds don’t have Psionics. They’re different.

assuming you can mod your godtier via your dreamself pre-godtier: What kinda modifications would you go for? Same anon that asked about getting wings without being a troll btw, I'm sure you can guess what I'd go for

I’d prototype myself with something way shorter.Maybe some other minor things. It’d be a matter of planning it well.

Couldn't you also alchemize a new body then get a heart player to put your soul in as well? For the modification thing?

You know things don’t always work that way right? Assuming you even have a Heart Player like that in your Session, they’d also have to be powerful enough/God Tier themselves for that to work, and even then, alchemizing a body doesn’t seem the easiest thing. Like maybe it’d work? But remember this is SBURB where you’re on a countdown towards your utter and complete perma annihilation. Serendipitous things happen often in SBURB, but they’re often unplanned.

Could you alchemize the tumor?

Likely not THE Tumor, but a Tumor, sure.

Could you explain what was going on with the Felt in their snapchat update? I didn't understand

Clover horny.

Also they were just switching management AGAIN and preparing to go to Earth.

If the beta trolls and their lusii swapped, would their classpects match, ie would dragon mom be a hero of mind ect ect?

I… Have no idea, they’re too animal-like for me to Classpect, I think.

While I was watching some magical girl anime (coughpuellamagicough) there was this stupid thought that I ended up thinking, that stupid thing was that if Calliope would be magical girl. Any thoughts?

That’s how she changes into her Trollsona when she wants to be extra, obviously.

Im a diff anon but tbh if dragonmom was Anything i think shed be something something light? She literally guides terezi to enlightenment (spelling). A sylp maybe? Idk shit

She talks to her through her Mind and in her Dreams though. There’s just. Not enough of a character to them to Classpect? I’d say the Lusii are likely just the same Aspects as the Trolls.

Maybe all Lusii of a caste are related to the True Aspect. Just a thought.

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Do you evil Cherubs have black wings and hood Cherubs have white wings?

*think *good

Maybe? Seems part of the duality, but it could also be active Cherubs having Black Wings and passive Cherubs having White Wings, outside of Good/Evil alignment. It could also just be exclusive to those two because they’re the only two Cherubs we’ve ever seen in their natural habitat and fully matured.

So because punching cards means there are limited items you can alchemize, do you think that just hacking into a card would give a unique totem or just not work? And by hacking I mean like just slashing stuff it with a knife or something.

It’s likely there’s some system to the cards like- Every Session has a different set of items you can alchemize based on what Skaia already knows you will try to make. It’s also possible things such as what two components are used- Even if it gave the same Code, maybe they’d give something else. I say this because even something as simple as a ‘shard of glass’ or a ‘maimed harlequin’ are their own unique things so you could like. Break something and that broken something will have a different code than the original, but then you can like, draw on it, and now it’s a defaced broken something which is yet another code. So there has to be some rhyme or reason to the lack of limits. So yeah my bet is “SBURB knows what you’re going to try to make and has already set the Alchemiter to have unique codes for everything you’ll ever use.”

silly question, but which aspect and/or class do you think could have the greatest potential of being a meme loving fuck?

Implying every single Classpect ISN’T already a meme loving fuck.

you know how with the Fear No Anvil, John's able to do very limited Time-y stuff in the form of things/people he bonks with it being paused? what if someone alchemized something with properties of multiple aspects, or even all of them? would that even be possible?

I don’t see why not, it’d be interesting to see what combining Aspects does.

I guess this is a question you get a lot but I can not seem to identify with what class I would be. I took the class quiz and got rouge but I do not feel like i relate to that class very much, although i do have some qualities of the rogue. Personally i do feel like i have more in common with the knight because, I like to serve others I care about but not serve random peeps or others I dislike. Is there like a divide between the rogue and knight that someone like me can identify with?

I mean, being a Knight doesn’t mean you have to serve or care about people you don’t like. No one has to do that. That may be toxic Knight behavior even. Either way if you feel more Rogue-y, you’re a Rogue. Plain and simple!

Oh gosh-- im so confused with daves bro/dirk/ basically how everything works and how they're related I dont know how to explain it but like Is it just a ton of peridoxes?? Like??? Please explain daves bro/dirk for me like how does he WORK... how is dave adopted by him?? Is he his brother or his SON? How are rose/mom/etc offsprings??? I have no idea how to explain im just so lost and confused what the heck

John created everyone in a lab. Nanna (Jane), Bro (Dirk), Mom (Roxy), and Grandpa (Jake), are all clones of themselves, no relation among each other. However, Nanna and Grandpa’s ectoslime was combined, and Bro and Mom’s ectoslime was combined as well- And from that combination spawn John and Jade as Nanna and Grandpa’s genetic children, and Dave and Rose as Mom and Bro’s genetic children. And then they’re sent out in Meteors to get to Earth in the past.

Now, on the Dave/Bro case, of course, Dave is not the actual child of Bro, he came in on a Meteor. So while they do share genes? He was adopted by him, from a big-ass meteor crater. Same way Rose was adopted by Mom, Jade was adopted by Grandpa, and John was adopted by Dad, Nanna’s ACTUAL biological children (Allegedly? He may be adopted as well).

And of course, thanks to the Scratch, Bro is just Alt Universe Dirk. Exact same genetic configuration, but born 413 years after the Apocalypse, making him the ‘child’ this time around, with Dave growing up to become a famous movie star and revolutionary activist, and leaving everything set up for Dirk’s arrival. So in the eyes of each other? They’re each other’s parents, while simultaneously knowing the other is also technically their child in some roundabout way. But ultimately, Dirk is the genetic template, and Dave the offspring.

Did the pre scratch trolls create the ancestors?

The Pre Scratch Trolls ARE the Ancestors. They were all made in Karkat’s lab.

I dont understand the order of ancestors/dancestors and then current scratch characters? Shouldn't it be Ancestor > dancestor/descendent > current? It doesn't seem like thats the case or am i missing something?

I don’t know exactly what idea you’re getting about the Ectobiology chain but it’s like this:

Beforus exists. Karkat’s group are all adults on Beforus doing stuff. Meenah’s group are the group fated to play SBURB. They play SBURB, and lose. They realize their Session is awfully glitched- They came in riding on meteors, but they didn’t create themselves as is usual in the main Session of SBURB! So they know something is heavily fucked up. And so they reset- They Scratch the Game and start the Timeline anew, because if they didn’t do that, they would’ve never been born, and this paradox would cause a Timeline that’d just Doom them any way.

The Scratch shifts around the parameters, and so now instead of Beforus, there’s Alternia. Meenah’s Group ARE the Ancestors this time around, and Karkat’s group are the SBURB Players. And so, in the game, Karkat goes to the Veil and makes themselves, and their Ancestors- Which are, again, still just the Dancestors too. Sending everyone back in time through a Meteor Ride, which closes the loop of their Birth, and ensures there’s no paradoxes.

What do you feel about some of the hcs of Ardata's aspect? I think the most common ones are space and mind

I’m leaning towards Mind myself truth be told, but it’s hard to get anything solid from her thus far.

hi, how do i tell whether light or hope is my aspect? i identify with both and have gotten both on nearly every classpect quiz

Really if it’s a solid tie, just choose whichever you like the most.

Why does Rufioh have wings and not Tavros?

Mutation.

How come Rufioh was the only one who PERFECTLY understood what Damara was saying? Did he learn Eastern Beforan?

He learned Troll Japanese because he’s a big weeaboo. 

Back with how much pain vriska would have been in... how did she even manage that? It's not like trolls have paracetamol or something like that around or is it?

At one point pain just becomes so unbearable it loops back to being completely numb. Look at her in the Vrisky Business comic. She’s absolutely delirious and out of it.

In the part of [S]: Collide (?) Where davepeta goes into the undertale fight screen, their soul flashes Orange/green- I know that's probably just davepeta colors, but orange in undertale represents bravery and green is kindness. I was wondering if that was important at all? Or just a fun coincidence?

Likely a coincidence, I mean every Soul color matches a sort of Virtue doesn’t it? So even if it wasn’t Bravery and Kindness, it would’ve been something like, Justice and Determination.

Speaking of Determination however, Davepeta was the BEST character to go all Undertale. I mean, Time and Heart? Totally Determination.

Was the thing where Cronus says he's "human on the inside" Canon or weirdly popular Canon? I'm not sure how to word it, but I see it a lot.

He does talk about being Humankin- Look at his shirt, it’s white with his symbol just like Humans wear them. However, whereas Horuss definitely believes himself to be Horsekin, Cronus also states him doing it as a sort of attention-grabbing statement, and it’s only because Kankri can’t tell apart an actual good, worthwhile cause from his own bias that he tries to push Cronus more into being Humankin and explore that identity, even though it’s pretty obvious he’s just being… Well. Cronus.