whats the key difference between void and rage? for me they seem kinda the same, truth-seeking and burning the old to the ground
Void doesn’t care about the Truth, only building up from a Foundation of Nothing- Think like Philosophy, where doubts are cast even to the very nature of Existence to try and build up a sense of identity and understanding of the world, even when it often seems very complicated or to ignore basic natural laws in favor for a more psychological approach to the Universe.
Me: "Everything seems to go in a way that the lord desires, huh? Won't it be pretentomious to try give yourself this class. I mean, im selfish but...*Flashback to all the times where things mysteriously worked out my way be it something I wanted or something I needed but wasn't aware of. From genetics to random going out to grab pizza to dangerous situations I wasn't even aware of cus they passed me somehow completely.* "... whatever, it fits i sit"
There’s a bit of a distinction to be made when it comes to Lordship! Because, see, if we go by the rules of Paradox Space, everyone has their desires met at several points in the story, their wills influence reality in a way that makes what they want happen in some way. Sometimes in more oblique ways, sometimes earlier in their arcs rather than towards the ending, sometimes as a monkey’s paw wish. Homestuck argues that as long as you push on, you will realize your desires in due time, and also that you will get a karmic retribution if you’re an asshole.
When it comes to the Lord specifically, though, this is kind of… Amplified. A Lord’s Mastery over their Aspect, the way the Aspect bows to aid them, rather than simply having their desires influence reality, their desires are reality, their presence shapes everything related to their Aspect around them, shapes the way that Aspect will interact with others around them. They may still have challenges to overcome and desires that are unmet, but when they are met, they will shape the way others around them interact with whatever set of circumstances they’ve left behind.
Of course this is in a more story-wise, fantastic kind of outlook. Being a Lord IRL and also having things like that luckily fall in place is.
There's one thing I am not sure about: Before Condy claimed the throne, did the young to-be-empresses still had to fight the current empress to the death, or did Condy establish this rule?
We literally have never known a period of time where Condy wasn’t the Empress, so it’s impossible to tell. For all we know, she arrived to Alternia so early that she became the First and Only Empress.
I'm a theorist Homestuck that just sits and things about Homestuck a lot. I've got a theory about the whole house situation, and in my head it's basically 95% confirmed, but I wanna ask your opinion since from what I've seen you know a lot of stuff too! My theory is that after the Caliborn fight (shown in claymation that one) the beta kids are stuck in the house juju. It's heavily supported with the post Canon Snapchat that shows the felt and Jane and such doing something weird to the house.
The House the Felt is going through is the end-game portal to the New Universe- They look the same but they’re two very different things, sort of a teller of Beginnings and Ends- A new beginning for the Kids, in a new World, an end to their tale and that of Lord English. There’s no indication they two are connected in any way, physically, rather than just thematically, but there’s a good bunch of connections to be drawn from the two to theorize, so honestly who knows!
ARANEA: Instead of storming off to the moon in a huff, Peixes em8raced her role as an heiress. ARANEA: Once she reached the age to challenge the empress, she killed her predecessor easily.
What do you mean where do I think Gamzee is? We have a complete Timeline of what happens to him, he gets to Earth-C in the future via Clown Ex Machina Black Hole, raises Caliborn, then dies during the Masterpiece.
Okay it's been a long time since I've read hs but like, what is it you need for successful session? You at least need to prototype the kernels once before entering, and I think you need a space player? For frog duties, right? Is there anything else?
Time Players are implied to be necessary, although so far the only reason I’ve seen for that is to have a way of changing things in case the Timeline goes wrong- Since otherwise you have pretty much just one shot to complete the Session, and may not have enough time to finish the Frog Breeding.
I've taken a lot of classpect quizzes over the years and I always seem to get knight except that one time when I got page, but from your class quiz I got maid, and I'm wondering if there are some similarities between those classes? And also, if it's not too much of a bother, what kind of person do you think a maid of heart would be/eventually what kinda god tier powers would they have?
I can’t think of many superficial similarities, they’re even a Passive Class vs an Active Class, although Knights tend to act in a more Active manner. ‘What kind of person’, only you can tell, but overall info and powers, you can find it here:
Do the prospit/derse theme change to reflect the players? We know the versions of derse/prospit dreamers (and the other themes) are designed around the instruments the kids play, so would the trolls have completely different versions of these songs???
I mean… They’re the Derse/Prospit themes of the Beta Session, did we even know about the Trolls’ Session when that album dropped? It’s more a theme of the Session than of actually neutral Prospit/Derse yeah.
My friend says he would prototype himself first and then his dreamself, problem 1 is all imps would god tier. Now we've had discussion that a Witch of Doom could technically make a genesis frog. I guess my question is, is this possible and if so is the session still beatable
There is only one way for you to make Imps go God Tier and that’d be by prototyping your already God Tier self which would be extremely convoluted to pull off and generally detrimental. The Prototypings happen the instant you enter, even if you change the Sprite itself later it doesn’t do anything.
I don’t quite understand by ‘could technically make a genesis frog’ like… Out of nothing? With a Doom Aspect? Uuh…
Wait, this gets me to wonder - couldn't a Thief or a Rogue of Void technically just pull a genesis frog out of nowhere?
That’s the thing though- A Matriorb required a Rogue of Void to be inspired by a Muse of Space to be made. A Matriorb, as important as it is for Trolls, is just a biological thing coming from a weird alien bug. The Genesis Frog is the Universe itself. You can’t just materialize something like that without being extremely, severely overpowered, and it’d defeat the very purpose of SBURB if it were that easy.
Is it possible for a witch to have a familiar who is a person of a different aspect, but has a lot of connections to the witches aspect? (Sorry if that sounds confusing)
It is very likely we’ve actually seen this in action already, with Folykl, a possible Witch of Void, using Kuprum as her Familiar, specially with the comparison made that she’s using him as her ‘steed’, giving an actually solid Void connection.
could a maid of rage also mirror some aspects of hope? like faith in humanity or being happy all the time but in truth theyre not all that jazz?
Aspects are Counterparts. They touch upon the same bits of reality, and may interact in one way or another with it, they’re not ‘opposite’ of each other and as such completely separate, they’re two halves of a whole, so yes, any Rage Class could easily mirror Hope stuff.
Hey, um, for oc reasons: let's say there is a troll whose shade of blood is just so unfortunately coloured that most aren't sure whether it's a violet or a fuchsia. What would happen? Would they just give the troll to a violet blood lusus or to the fuchsia one (can't write the name right), or would they be like "Eh, guess it's defective or some shit" and cull it? Or is this scenario entirely impossible?
Non-standard hematological attributes are an on-sight cullable offense. They would grow up Lusus-less, if someone even allowed them to live/raised them a-la Dolorosa or like Bronya.
Sence a maid of life can resurrect anyone, but only once, do you think a sylph of life can do it infinitely, but they can only bring them to 1HP and they can't heal them until they die again (I think it would be fine narratively if it's painful enough)
I mean, feel free, but I don’t personally thing you can quite pull something like that off.
Like didn’t his soul go in Lord English but also he’s made of Lord English
Doc Scratch is just a Host Puppet with Lord English’ Soul, meant to be used to spawn him into the Universe. Made from an All-Knowing Cueball and Lil Cal. Lil Cal is used, meaning that he too becomes an embodiment of his Soul, and the Cueball acts as a sort of ‘seed’, containing that smug, manipulative attitude that makes him so obnoxious, making him the Cueball to Lord English’ general Pool Theme.
The thing is that, Scratch himself seems to be the culmination of ARquiusprite’s side of Lord English’ Soul. He has AR’s smugness and manipulation, with the bit of Equius that added a lack of insulting and a general creepy and posh kind of beat to AR’s crudeness. It’s hard to say whether Doc is the way he is because ARquius, and it influences the way the Cueball behaves, or if the Cueball has something to do with Doc Scratch’s generally ARquiusprite-y attitude.
Homestuck: Execution of a Masterpiece - Part 4 - Death of the Author
Hoo boy, Part 3 was a doozy wasn’t it? It was way too long and took me so long it burnt me out on making these, but I think I am ready to tackle on these again.
I will try to be more concise here, and try to showcase the important story beats rather than going with an all-out retelling of the events beat by beat. And it’s not merely because I want to make this shorter. (Spoiler Warning: Surprise! This is still super long. God dammit.)
Acts 1 through 5 are down. Years of web content building up this insane adventure about 4 Internet Friends and 12 Aliens, suffering the after-effects of inevitability in a Game designed to destroy their worlds and give them a chance to Ascend to Godhood and Create a Universe of their own. Culminating in what may be the most well known and acclaimed Flash Animations in the entirety of the comic, tying loose threads, setting up mysteries and villains…
Where do you go exactly from here?
Well, according to many in the Fandom… Downhill. Downhill is where you go, as Act 5 is usually regarded as the peak of Homestuck, with Act 6 losing a good chunk of the Fandom. And while there are genuine reasons for this slow-down further in, the very initial dislike of Act 6 comes from the fact it features yet another fresh start. Just like Act 5 Act 1, the Action and the characters we’ve been following take a step back, and we begin following a wholly new set of characters. However, unlike Act 5 Act 1, we won’t have to wait that long until we get back to our ‘main’ Heroes.
Either way, Act 6 is a very interesting time for the story. Because up until this point, as much as Hussie likes interjecting within the story and breaking the Fourth Wall, we have been following these characters go through the story of dealing with their SBURB Session, dealing with Inevitability in their Universe.
And it’s only now in Act 6 that we see a shift in the way things work. It’s only now in Act 6 that, paralleling the struggle everyone has gone through to avoid their demise in the face of an Unfair Game, we’re going to see them push against a force even more powerful and confining than that of SBURB itself, than the grasp of the Alpha Timeline within these self-contained Sessions.
But before we get to the meat of what this new Arc, and the whole overarching Theme of Homestuck is all about, we have some people to get introduced to.
The Scratch was well foreshadowed and presented through Act 5, with everything from Jade’s mysterious Pen Pal and Scratching Imagery, to a straight-up explanation of its physical effect on the Session by Doc Scratch.
The Beat Mesa is Scratched. The energy within released. The Universe, changed and restarted. Our Heroes, outside of the confines of this Universe, are able to preserve their existence, but the very Timeline they come from is erased completely. And we see the result of this event in the beautifully nostalgic Act 6 Animation, zooming into this freshly scratched Universe, showcasing brief shots of the rooms of our new 4 protagonists, as well as the state of the world around them. Everything from the Uberbunny still being constructed, to a Sweet Bro and Hella Jeff movie poster, from strange window-based machinery to Lil Cal.
Finally, it pans out to show us our first shot of who will be our ‘John’ stand-in in this new reality, a youthful girl with a very similar sign to that of John’s. And yet, before we can be formally introduced to her, Act 6 throws its very first curveball at us.
Someone. A Troll, is watching the events on the screen go down, the presentation of Act 6. This shouldn’t be a surprise, after all we know Trolls are able to use viewports to spy on Humans, but this feels significantly different, not only ominously presented at the beginning of the Act, but also showing us a completely brand new sign. A Caduceus staff, snakes on its sides, associated with what’s referred as the 13th Zodiac Constellation, Ophiuchus.
Immediately this makes… No sense. The Human Universe was Scratched, not the Troll Universe. And while it is true the Troll Universe is mentioned to have been Scratched, we’ve also been told the other group of Trolls was one of 12, like the original one- Leaving this 13th Troll a complete mystery. It’s not the only strange thing at the beginning of the Act, however, as we’re soon introduced to Jane and Jake- Our Post-Scratch Nanna and Grandpa.
And while superficially it may seem like we’re in yet again for long-winded introductions and self-contained storylines regarding their Session, the amount of unexpected differences thrown at us right off the bat are staggering.
First, there’s the SBURB Alpha poster behind Jane, with the Crockercorp brand on it, already a major difference from the Skaianet-developed game Pre-Scratch. We’re also told that these new characters are, in fact, not 13, but rather between 15 and 16 years old. The big shocker comes from learning these two characters’ full names- As rather than Egbert and Harley, as one would expect, they happen to be Jane Crocker, and Jake English, both names which kickstart Act 6 on a very ominous note.
This continues through the rest of this Act, as we see English and the Batterwitch seem to be very prominent figures in these Kids’ lives.
With Jake’s computing devices directly mirroring Lord English himself…
And Crockercorp technology directly taking on Her Imperious Condescension’s branding. We were told by Nanna how she was raised by Betty Crocker herself, who was not a Human, but while Jack Noir and Doc Scratch were the two main villains through the previous Acts, it becomes obvious the Condesce and Lord English are going to take up on the roles of the Big Baddies from now on.
While most of the Act serves to set up the characters and their relationships with each other, as expected of an introduction- With Jane being cynical and not believing the whole SBURB Schtick entirely, Jake being a much more trusting albeit aloof individual, the young Lalonde being apparently drunk off her ass, and the young Strider being some sort of Robotics Genius able to build robots for his friends to spar with and create AI to stand in for himself while he’s off doing other things- Other things in the background already set up more overarching plots than back in Act 1 or even Act 5 Act 1.
We see UU, the new, Ophiuchus Troll, cheering the characters, encouraging them to do what they must do, with a seemingly wider view of what’s going on than the other 12 Trolls. Careful about causal Spoilers, and overall very pleasant to interact with, she almost seems to be orchestrating the events leading to them playing SBURB in the first place.
Lalonde and Strider take on a more background role for the Act, as we focus on Jane and Jake, and specifically, on two specific points- A Dream Jane seemingly had involving Jake, as well as her trying to get the SBURB Alpha copy while being grounded, aided by Lil Seb, a bunny-robot built for her birthday by Strider- And the overall daily routine of Jake English in Hellmurder Island.
Because as we soon learn, things are kicking into high gear before we even get to the meat of SBURB.
Jake’s Dreamself is apparently already Dead, and this Universe’s Frog Temple island seems to be inhabited by Lusii. Furthermore, Jake’s home seems to have been destroyed, leaving just the satellite room partially intact on the ground beneath.
This introduction culminates with the introduction of Brobot, the bot Strider built for Jake to spar with, and the main obstacle he has to overcome in order to obtain Uranium to finish the Uberbunny for Jade, as well as a protector from the many hazards of the island…
And with Jane attempting to retrieve her Alpha copy of SBURB, which happens to be booby trapped, resulting in a major explosion mirroring the ending of Act 1 proper.
It’s at this point that the structure of Act 6 becomes more obvious. Acts proper for the new Kids, and Intermissions showcasing what’s going on with the Beta Kids and Trolls. Although this will become muddy as time goes on, it generally stands true up until Act 6 Act 6.
Hussie, using an authorial robot avatar, attempts to make true on his promise to change the events of the story directly, but ends up getting lazy and just level up the characters- This is, however, a nod to the absurdity that he’s already pretty much killed Doc Scratch by himself, interacting directly with the events of the story, even if he says he hasn’t.
The Intermission itself is fairly straight forward- The aftermath of the events of Cascade are shown, with Jade and John crossing through the space between 4th Walls to the new Session, the Yellow Yard…
The Meteor Crew reuniting with the ones waiting for them at the Green Sun…
And PM, now 4-Tier Powered, confronting Bec Noir.
In the extra-authorial Space the 4th Walls are in, Jade is unable to use her teleporting powers, meaning they cannot travel as fast as she’d like to. Similarly, Rose points out thanks to her new insight as a Seer of Light, that they will need to travel a very specific route in the Furthest Ring to get to the new Session. Both trips will last 3 Years, coinciding with John and Jane’s 16th Birthday, which will happen to make it so both groups of Kids and Trolls are the same age when they meet.
A farewell message is sent through Jade to the Green Sun, to wish good luck to the Trolls, Rose and Dave. Aradia and a half-dead, overexerted Sollux stay behind in the Bubbles as they’re done with all the adventuring. PM sends the mortally wounded WV with the Meteor Crew, hoping that they’ll be able to heal him. And Bec Noir flees away from PM, having a huge crush on her, not wanting to deal with an enraged lady with his exact same set of powers. The scene is set, the trips in motion, and with that, we end the Intermission with a few prophetic images straight from the Skaia Clouds of this new Session.
Drones, a focus on Lalonde and Strider, Jake’s volcano erupting, and a panning view of Prospit in this new Session, which apparently lacks the Prototyping Towers the Beta Session did.
Before the new Act begins, however, we have a brief scene showing us something shocking-
The Dersite Agents are the ones responsible for killing Jake, and they have gone for Jane as well. Derse is under ‘new management’, and all bets are off. Something is up in this new Session, but thankfully, the Maid of Life doesn’t seem able to go down as easily as Jack would expect…
As some sort of Lifey Thing activates, just as the tower is detonated and the room sent down crashing into Prospit below.
I will go quicker with the few following Arcs. Because around this point, something starts to happen.
We’re formally introduced to Roxy Lalonde and Dirk Strider. We see the rest of the beginning of this Session progressing. Jane is rescued at the last moment from that explosion by this planet’s First Guardian- A cat instead of a dog, known only as God Cat, or GCAT. Roxy’s Dreamself sleepwalks, giving us a good view of the Dream Bubbles, some ghosts, and nearly meeting Rose for the first time. Dirk’s Dreamself kills the Hegemonic Brute before he can kill him, and then announcing he’s awake and ready to fuck shit up to Derse. We see the Condesce herself, as the new ruler of Derse. We see Jack trying to off Jane again, but getting his shit kicked in by the White Queen herself. We see Jake get the Uranium he needs, and awkwardly dismissing Jane’s feelings for him while considering Dirk’s own interest in him. We see Roxy accidentally appearifying Sassacre’s book from Jane’s house on top of the Jaspers she snatched from Pre-Scratch Earth, giving context to his disappearance and re-appearance later on near Rose’s house. And curiously, we see two Ghosts in the Dream Bubbles that we’ve never seen before-
The first appearance of Aranea and Meenah, the Pre-Scratch versions of Mindfang and The Condesce.
Ultimately, it all culminates with Jane’s entry into the game, and the revelation that, all along, Roxy and Dirk were living in the future! Not in the same time frame as the other two! With Roxy living in a Carapace Colony and Appearifying Pumpkins to feed them, and Dirk being alone in the middle of the Ocean. Jane doesn’t prototype anything, and there are no Meteors headed to Earth, instead it’s the Condesce’s ship that looms overhead, and with time, she apparently conquers Earth and turns it into a desolate Water World, where Roxy and Dirk now inhabit.
But wait… Why am I rushing through this? Why am I telling these things, which are actually interesting and fun, in such an… Anticlimatic way? Well, because as I said, something begins to happen in the story at this point, and because we’re introduced to someone very special in this Act.
Another… Ophiuchus Troll? While the Caduceus is associated with Ophiuchus, that U happens to be the Ophiuchus Zodiac Sign. UranianUmbra and uNDYINGuMBRAGE, UU and uu, and where UU is cheerful and happy and trying to encourage her friends, uu shows himself to be the polar opposite. Jeering, taunting, being generally unpleasant, creepy and demeaning. But specifically, one thing these two Trolls share is the view points of the very audience of the comic. UU sets herself as a fan, excited of what may happen in the future, wanting to see the Kids succeed. uu sets himself as a bad fan, criticizing the story beats, disregarding character development, and pushing for the carnage and the action. We’ll get back to these two in the next Act, but first of all, as Jane Enters her Land, we reach the next Intermission.
And similarly, the Intermission gives us story beats, and important ones at that. The Mayor is saved by God Tier Dream Bubble Feferi. We see Karkat struggle with himself and his role in Paradox Space. We see some relationship Drama between Terezi, Dave and Karkat. We hear about the new Session’s status. We see how John and Jade pass their time in the Prospit Ship with Davesprite. We see Terezi interact with Aranea, talking about regretting her decision of killing Vriska, and being led somewhere. Both the Alpha Kids and the Betas + Trolls seem to be delving more on the psychological aspect of growing up ever since Act 6 began, rather than being Kids thrust into a strange world and having to fulfil their Cosmic Fate against Inevitability itself, trying to find a way around it and maturing thanks to the challenges presented, they’re now Teens growing up and trying to keep pushing their way through both their physical reality, and their mental blockades. This is one of the reasons why some people seem to dislike Act 6, they consider it has too much Teenage Drama, while the story itself presents new characters and convoluted new story beats that don’t seem to make sense yet.
Homestuck has always been about growing up, but now that they’re being treated more like Teens than Kids, there’s a whole new set of things to take into account. Furthermore, there’s always been confusing story beats and plots in Homestuck, however a lot of those were answered during Act 5, and a bunch of other ones were presented afterwards, dividing the Interest between two groups of characters that get different amounts of screentime. The fresh start, the drama, the two groups of Kids, presenting new Trolls in the Dream Bubbles, some people loved this, others didn’t quite like the new characters or the direction the Comic was going down, but one of the most controversial topics the story touches upon formally begins in this very Intermission.
The Meta Aspect of Homestuck.
Because up until now, the Meta seems to have been played for Jokes. Breaking of the 4th Wall, Andrew Hussie… But then Lord English, the Villain of the story, kills Hussie. Literally murders the Author of the story. This part of the story can also easily be taken as a joke, specially given that right after this we have Hussie try to put a Ring of Ghost Vriska in the Dream Bubbles and marry her, but…
With the introduction of uu and UU paralleling Audence trains of thought, and the death of Andrew Hussie- Who should be mentioned, is wearing a Calmasis Cosplay with UU’s Sign and Horns on it- Calmasis being the main character of one of Roxy’s Mom’s nigh-prophetic Wizard Novels- There’s something more going on beyond just the story of Teens playing a Game and Growing Up. It is not quite obvious what is going on yet, but this is a very interesting set-up, and this Meta Aspect is what I want to focus the rest of this Act 6 Analysis on, because I believe it is widely misunderstood and shunned within the Fandom.
Jane has entered the Game, and we see her dealing with a Dead Land, the Land of Crypts and Helium. Consorts are long dead, and Legends speak of how they came to know the Nobles would be coming way too late to save them. Barrent, empty, void. Her whole Session is a Void one, one where no Sprites are Prototyped before entry, one which doesn’t even have a Reckoning or an evolved Battlefield to bear fruits.
Trying to get back to her home, Jane also comes across something… Disconcerting.
Gamzee… In full God Tier clothes… With Aradia’s Time Music Boxes… Wanting to be Jane’s Guide, selling her potions, and immediately throwing the corpse of Vriska and Tavros into her empty Kernelsprite, a mixture so unstable it causes the Sprite to immediately detonate.
So. Yeah. What the fuck?
Last time we saw Gamzee, he’d just come down from a murderous rampage, and had stolen Sollux’s body and dragged it deeper into the meteor, with Kanaya chasing after him. Also, last time we saw him he was most certainly not God Tier, or never even IMPLIED to have reached God Tier.
The narrative of Homestuck starts disjointed and builds up towards the big Critical Moment in Cascade, but now that we’re beyond that, the narrative seems to unravel yet again. This is a very chaotic time for Homestuck as we’re shown seemingly unrelated plot threads going at the same time, while having more exposition about the Post-Scratch World and how things are supposed to go to start the game.
The story of the Alpha World and how it got fucked up by Condy, how Jake’s Grandmother, Dirk’s Brother and Roxy’s Mom all fought back in their own ways, paired with internal monologue by Jake using a mental projection of Dirk as a stand-in of his psyche. a parody of Jailbreak with Jack Noir in a Prospitian Cell while DD gets the Black Queen’s Ring and starts to use the Red Miles to punish Dirk for his actions, a chaotic reunion of Jake’s dreaming self in the Bubbles with the Betas on the Meteor passing through the Bubble alongside Meenah and Aranea that doesn’t end well, the arrival of the Red Miles Bec Noir used in Cascade to the Alpha Iteration of the Universe, while Dirk and Roxy are being attacked by Condesce’s Drones. The prior Acts were full of Countdowns, but they were all counting down to something with very specific numbers and time frames. Act 6 throws the exact countdowns out the window, and just tosses everything into a complete, rushed chaos. Not that the story itself is rushed, but rather, that the forces conspiring to move the story forward are rushing things along.
And as the chaos muddles the underlying plot thread that brings it all together, so must we rush things along, and look beyond what we’re presented in this Act, to really start understanding what’s going on in Act 6.
You see, all this chaos, all these intermingling stories, all this focus on the Dream Bubbles, the Alphas, the Betas, is all a set-up for one of the most important reveals in the entirety of Homestuck, the true identity of UU and uu.
Because until this point, we’ve just been assuming UU and uu to be from some sort of ambiguously separated group of Trolls somewhere in Paradox Space, that they are some sort of yet another story we know nothing about, when in reality, their very presence has always been there, in every aspect of the story up to this point.
UU and uu, or as we’d find out, Calliope and Caliborn, are not Trolls, but a third alien species known as Cherubs.
Calliope and Caliborn share one and the same body. When she goes to sleep, he wakes up, and vice-versa. They’ve been at odds for a long time, with Calliope wanting to learn to cooperate with him so they can play SBURB and escape, together, the confined prison that is their room, their dying world, while Caliborn only thinks about beating her in ever aspect, predominating over her personality, killing her, and taking total and complete possession of her body.
Furthermore, we also learn that their world is none other than Earth- Post-Scratch earth to be precise, at some point in the far future when the oceans have dried off. And their room just happens to be…
A confined section within the very Meteor Rose, Dave and the Trolls are riding towards the new Session. On top of that, once Caliborn manages to get Calliope’s Dream Self murdered, and predominates over her the next time he wakes up, his cheek swirls fill into red circles, he chews his bound leg right off, and in the process, breaks one of his fangs.
We’re explicitly told this shortly after, but this imagery shows us the reality of the situation- Caliborn is none other than a young version of Lord English himself.
Now that this is set up, let’s roll back a little bit, specifically to the Dream Bubbles. Interjected within the chaos, we learn about the Pre-Scratch Troll Session, how it was a strange, Glitched Session, a mark of Lord English’ influence in trying to access their Universe, and Aranea orchestrated the Scratch, while Meenah prepared to detonate an explosion, kill everyone so they would live on in the Dream Bubbles even if their Session was erased completely.
Now in the Dream Bubbles, Lord English, after dealing with Hussie, heads to the Furthest Ring and starts wrecking havoc, destroying Bubbles, cracking Reality itself, dissipating the Ghosts living there, and killing the Horrorterrors in the process. Meenah, as an ambitious Thief, starts trying to reunite an army of Ghosts to take the Big Bad down. Aranea, on the other hand, believes that finding the other half of Lord English that didn’t predominate, Calliope’s Spirit in the Dream Bubbles, is the key to taking him down. And yet on top of these two plans, Vriska’s ghost comes to learn about the existence of some sort of weapon capable of defeating Lord English hidden in the Furthest Ring, but she needs him to crack reality more to make the Furthest Ring navigable.
In the Dreambubbles, we learn about the 12 Trolls that came before the Betas, the so-called Dancestors, in what is considered by many one of the low points of Homestuck. Walkarounds presenting new characters that go on for hours, seemingly one-dimensional characters, while Meenah goes around trying to find people willing for her army. And while I’ll personally defend the Dancestors as not being as simple as they seem at first glance, ultimately they only add some background lore to the story. Their importance doesn’t come from who they are, but from what they are.
You see, as mentioned before, Calliope is a stand-in for the Audience. She makes Fanart, and Fanfiction, she has read the writings left behind by Rose, made her theories about their journey, made a Trollsona, she’s pretty much a part of the audience who adores Homestuck, to the point she wanted to be involved in this massive epic.
Similarly, however, Caliborn is also a part of the Audience. He riffs on how long some things drag on and how stupid others seem, while revelling in visceral action, death, and fetishization of the characters. He’s misogynistic, narcissistic, hateful. And he’s our main Villain. Our main Villain, who shows himself as a hateful Internet persona, and whose main drive to cause the mayhem and destruction that’s killing the Horrorterrors, is to find his Sister’s Soul in the Furthest Ring and destroy it. A Villain, whose main motivation to enter the Troll Universe, subjugate the entire species and make the Empress of the Trolls his servant may just be to spite the memory of his Troll-loving Sister.
And when Caliborn finally enters his Session, barren, desolate, Dead, completely different from any other Session as a punishment for having tried to play a Solo Session without cooperation, he’s faced with something…
Oh come on, him again???
No, I didn’t mean fucking GAMZEE again, we’ll get back to him later.
He literally finds the command prompt of the story. And directly speaks with Hussie, the Narrator, who he identifies as a nagging voice in his head.
See what I am getting at?
The Chaos of the beginning of Act 6, the way things seem to unravel and slowly come together, they culminate with not one, but two different stories, being told simultaneously.
Homestuck is a story about growing up. About facing the challenges life has in store for us. About developing as people, and living our lives. About respecting others, and not allowing tyranny to take over our lives. As such, we have the chain of events starting at the Pre-Scratch Troll Session, and leading to the Alpha Session- A story of two civilizations, a story of Trolls, being subjugated by Lord English, and a Human Session infected by Gamzee, a follower of Lord English, made unwinnable, terminal, and rippling back to harm the Troll Session. A story about Teens, facing inevitability, and trying to grow up, past their personal problems, and past the challenges Paradox Space throws at them.
And at the same time, parallel to these, and causing most of the story beats that cause all of this predetermination and suffering? There’s the story of two Cherubs, Calliope and Caliborn. Of Calliope’s love for the story and attempts at helping them succeed. Of Caliborn’s disdain for the story his sister loves and for his sister, culminating in a megalomaniacal wave of destruction, in trying to erase every last trace of her, in trying to subdue and muddle everything she loves.
And that’s the thing- While the Kids are aware of Lord English, their objective has always been, primarily, to win the SBURB Session. The ones that try to fight back against the Demon, the ones that devise three different plans to stop his rampage? They are Dead. They are voided from the story. They are characters that should no longer be relevant, and yet, even in this fabricated afterlife, plot to fight back against him.
Those who are no longer relevant to the story, try to take on the antagonist, who has a disdain for the story itself, who killed the Author himself and took his conductor’s baton. Those who are relevant to the story, try to push through inevitability and the awful situation they’ve been put in, to live their lives. And this is, in my eyes, one of Homestuck’s most interesting narrative twists, and one that gets often muddled or downplayed, or simply… Disliked because people prefer less Meta on their stories. Which is just fine.
The Alphas manage to survive, just barely, the situation they’ve been put in, each losing one of their spare lives in order to enter the Session before they all die, and right after their entry? We see them in each of the Lands, showcasing how the Session itself looks, before doing a Timeskip of nearly half a year, and leaving us to deal with the downfall of 4 frustrated Teens being left alone in a Session with nothing to do.
The Characters we’ve been going alongside with for three Acts now, up to their entry, now are suddenly pushed to the side for such a long time. We’re introduced to 12 new Characters that we don’t know that much about. We focus on three Ghosts, three Characters who should be Dead but are still trying to do important things. It’s a bizarre moment for the story, but a pivotal one in what it tries to show us, the Audience, about these characters and the world. And hey, at least, while we don’t see much about the Alphas, we do get to see a bit more about the Betas, and specifically, one of the best moments in Homestuck for shippers everywhere:
Act 6 Act 5 begins on a low note. We’re finally back with the Alphas, however it seems things aren’t exactly great. Jake seems to be exhausted and overwhelmed by Dirk, Dirk is having some serious issues with his Auto-responder and his identity in general, and while Jane and Roxy are getting along fine, Jake’s obliviousness to Jane’s feelings and need to vent about Dirk end up causing Jane to dismiss her own birthday party in a fit of rage. To make things even worse, the Condesce herself manages to capture Roxy, throwing her into a Dersite jail, in an attempt to get her to fulfil some sort of unknown duty. On top of that, Gamzee has been busy making Troll Amalgamation Sprites with the corpses of his ‘friends’.
Needless to say, things aren’t going exactly well.
Everyone except Roxy is falling apart, and she’s captured and unconscious in Derse! But while she sleeps, she has a Dream. One in which she is led to a small pocket of Void in which she manages to meet with Calliope herself, her spirit.
As the Muse she is, Calliope inspires Roxy to get ready for the next day, the culmination of all that’s happened in the story. She tells us more clearly how Lord English is tracking her down, and how she thinks the key to defeating him is not herself, but rather, an alternate version of herself. A Calliope that managed to predominate over Caliborn. Their little reunion is cut short, sadly, and once she wakes up, Roxy has the Queen’s Ring delivered to her, which she uses to escape the Dersite cell.
Following a conversation between Jake and Caliborn, where Caliborn gifts him one half of a powerful Juju Artifact’s code, and a pre-sent Birthday Message by Calliope in the past in which she sent Jane the other half in an attempt to cheer her up for her Birthday, a very depressed Jane creates the infamous Juju Sucker.
This spiral Lollipop makes Jane Engage Trickster Mode, a throwback to a literal Cheat Code in many of the prior flashes and walkarounds in the story. This is a very misunderstood part of the story, with quite a bit of controversy attached to it, specially the whole ‘Caucasian’ debacle, but that’s neither here nor there.
As a Trickster, Jane becomes carefree, hyper-happy, and speaks her mind without any regard for the consequences. All internal turmoil disappears, and she slowly ‘infects’ the other Alphas with this sugar-rush drug-like power-trip state. This is pretty much Hussie telling the audience that there are no shortcuts to Developing as a people, growing up, and forcing such things or making it seem like there are no problems ends up making things creepy and uncanny.
The Arc also serves as a plot device to get them to alchemize some ultimate weaponry, and lead them to their Quest Slabs in the Derse and Prospit Moons, where they are left with intense sugary hangovers. This is where they develop the most, acknowledging the things they said while in this high state, embarrassed about their feelings, but finally more open to talking about it and seeing where everything went wrong.
Once in place, two things happen. On one side, The Condesce prepares to off the ones on Derse. On the other, however, the Jack trapped in Prospit is gifted Lil Cal by none other than Gamzee himself.
Initially, Caliborn was reluctant and even fearful of Lil Cal, but once he finds a scorched version of him in his Land, he learns the truth about him- He’s a vessel, somehow, for his very essence. And staring through, he’s been watching, controlling, manipulating, whispering. Like an embodiment of the main Villain dating back all the way to Act 2, this gives an even more creepy twist to every time Lil Cal appeared in the story, and makes him even more terrifying when we see Jack literally mind-controlled by staring directly into his eyes- Which he proceeds to pull out of the doll, gouging out his own, and becoming an Avatar for Lord English within the Alpha Session.
The Moons are destroyed, the Kids ascend to God Tier, and Jane and Jake are promptly attacked by Jack…
Only for the Prospit Ship to get there at just the right time, with Jade appearing to warp Jack away and save them. But reunions are short and bittersweet, as before everyone can get reunited, the Condesce manages to snatch control away from Jade, and makes her snap a mind-control Tiara on Jane.
With two Key Players under her control, Dirk is warped away, Jake and Roxy are captured, and Condy leaves herself in an incredible position of advantage over the rest of the Session.
Finally, we arrive at the very last section of this Part. We focus a little bit on what everyone else is going through before arriving to the new Session, while occasionally going back to see Caliborn’s Session develop. We learn Terezi allowed Aranea to heal her eyes in a moment of weakness due to her black-dating Gamzee in what’s obviously a toxic thing for her, and Dave and Karkat trying to help her through it. We see Rose’s struggle with alcohol and Kanaya’s determination to make their relationship work. And we even get to see Spades Slick make a return, bring the Felt back together and head to the new Session alongside everyone else, adding yet another wild card to the upcoming confrontation.
But the most important part of this Intermission comes from John and the Dream Bubbles.
After mixing their plans together, Meenah, Vriska and Aranea have made an army of Ghosts to lure Lord English into destroying the Furthest Ring, trying to track down the Legendary Weapon able to track him down, something that once belong to him, but once used became something that could only be used AGAINST him.
Aranea also explains a bit more about Cherubs, about Calliope and Caliborn, and specifically, about Caliborn’s bizarre Dead Session and his fearsome Denizen, Yaldabaoth, who’d give him an impossible challenge only him as a Lord of Time could have managed to overcome, claiming immortality and the power to wreck havoc as he wished through Paradox Space. Ultimately, it all culminates with their arrival to the location of the Legendary Weapon.
There, Aranea keeps talking, about treasures and Jujus, and she mentions a pair of Rings- One of Void, able to make the user intangible and invisible and more linked with the Void. One of Life, able to bring ghosts back. While the Void Ring appears to be the Black Queen Ring Roxy was given to escape Derse, and subsequently lost, the Ring of Life happened to be the one Hussie tried to give Vriska in his marriage proposal, currently in the possession of John’s waking self! Vriska throws a tantrum, frustrated, which ends up causing a schism in her group, with everyone except Vriska, Meenah, Aranea and John leaving her side.
John refuses to hand her the Ring, too, thinking, after hanging with her, that’s she’s just too dangerous to bring back. At this point, Vriska is very frustrated, but acknowledges her mistakes, and mentions how she knows she’s not good- But one doesn’t need to be good to do something big and Heroic. All she ever wanted was to do something BIG, take the Spotlight again, and she doesn’t need to be brought back for that, so long as she gets the Weapon and defeats the Big Bad.
It’s also at this point that Hussie tries to tease us, pulling the narrative away from the reveal of the Treasure, only for Vriska to directly address him as an asshole and pull the narrative back to her- Showing Hussie’s waning control over the very narrative.
The Juju is revealed to be… The SBURB Icon. As a transparent hole on the image. An intangible thing that should ‘change’ in the presence of Lord English. Of course, being something ‘intangible’, John as the doofus he is, decides to try and stuff his arm into it. And immediately, his arm phases through and warps through the entirety of the story, retconning its presence in a hundred panels of the story up to this point.
Not only that, but his Waking Self is affected by this, causing him to become unbound from the story, appearing at several points in the past, warping uncontrollably until he manages to come back to the Session! Confused, alone, bored, he begins throwing a bit of a tantrum trying to entertain himself, until a Mind Controlled Jade warps the rest of his Friends from the Meteor right in front of him… And the Disc 2 of Homestuck ends. Because that’s still a thing that existed, remember?
As the narrative gets ready to put the Disc 3, however…
Caliborn officially takes over the narrative of Homestuck. The Intermission ends, leading up to Act 6 Act 6, with Caliborn’s acknowledgement that he’s the one in control of the Webcomic now.
As such, everything is ready for the final stretch of the comic.
On the side of the story and plot in itself, everyone has been reunited in the new Session, Jade and Jane have been mind controlled, and Condy seems to have the upper hand, the Ghosts have the weapon able to take Lord English down, John has a McGuffin able to bring someone back to life, and Calliope has mentioned wanting to seek out the version of herself that overcame Caliborn.
And on the side of the metatextual state of the story, Hussie’s waning power over his own narrative has culminated with the antagonist acknowledging his lack of a presence and taking over the story, while the protagonist seems to have gained the ability to modify and shape bits of the story that have already passed.
Next time, in the final part of Execution of a Masterpiece, we’ll talk about the lead-up to the End of Homestuck, the Ending Proper, and a good bunch of Symbolism I glossed over in this part, namely the significance of Yaldabaoth as Caliborn’s Denizen, as well as other such things like the Symbol seen when the Lollipop Juju combines into one, the debacle of Plot vs Character Development vs Metatextual Commentary, and also, what the HELL is up with Gamzee?
what aspect comes with more isolation/loneliness, breath or doom?
Heavily depends on the context honestly, both could be. Like, Doom is death and pain and suffering and end of things so it could be linked to a barren wasteland for example. Breath is Freedom and personal drive, and similarly it works about going by yourself and not being bound to others, so it could work too.
Not sure if this has been asked before but what would happen if the appearifier (is that how it's spelled?) tried to appearify something from the future? Can it even do that?
Don’t see why not, likely subject to the same rules of your average Appearification.
Isn’t light also the aspect that has a lot to do with knowledge and stuff? If so do you think Vriska could use her power to steal knowledge of what went down in the gameover timeline if she used her powers for that purpose?
Her power itself is more related to Luck, but it could be for other Thieves of Light. Even then, she does generally just, gather intel on the post-retcon Timeline and the LE-killing Weapon.
It's just occured to me that Casey didn't just raise any army of the dead, she raised the dead residents of all the alpha kid's planets. Quite interesting.
Yep, although you also have to wonder if they weren’t already undead she communed with, given the Underlings are also skeletal, it’s entirely possible that Magic isn’t actually real and she just called the other skeletal Consorts over.
Which aspects do you think would be connected to ice/cold/snow etc.? I was thinking maybe void or doom. (Really very sorry if I’ve asked this before but I honestly can’t remember if I have)
That’s hard to say, because Aspects aren’t elemental in the traditional sense. You could make an argument for Breath, Void, Doom, and several others just kind of based on different contexts.
Let me try to reword myself, What's the best and worst classpects not counting masters classes and the time/space aspects personality wise?
“No Class or Aspect is better or worse than others.“ There you go again. They’ve all got upsides and downsides. There’s no better or worse. It’d be like ranking the MBTI types from best to worst.
For the mage of heart, when you say they have an uncanny ability to tell when romantic feelings are blossoming, do you mean only for themselves or for others? Cause I really relate to the mage of heart but most of the time I'm blind as a bat in terms of knowing who likes who. Usually unless people tell me who they like, I would be clueless to who they like.
First of all, it’s a possibility, not a certainty, but also, your own or other people’s, either way goes!
Which classpect is has the most suffering inherent to it in a sense that if someone tried to classpect the most miserable fate possible, not in sense that people of which ca would suffer the most.
Likely something Doom-related since, you know, Doom. Still though, Doom could just as easily bring comfort or avoid said miserable fate entirely, so it is very heavily dependant on the situation.
Hey, theory. Dammek and Xefros aren't the only ones in the grubbles? We've been hearing trumpets and guitars and basses in their songs.
Not likely, all their promotional material and sort of apparent stage presence on the posters has only the two of them. It could just as easy be synths added after the fact.
is heart a suitable aspect for me even if i don’t identify with the romantic part that much? i identify more with the irrational, passionate, selfish and identity-based nature of the aspect
are muses and lords really that special of a class? or could you just as well be a muse in a normal session without any special circumstances? i feel like the comic really made both out to be extremely rare classes that only get assigned to players as an exception, kind of
Muses and Lords are special and rare, but I don’t think that means they shouldn’t appear in normal Sessions or be used in Fantrolls- But they are Classes that, in a story, will likely shape or showcase something big regarding the narrative.
Consider, for example, the theory of Boldir and Marvus being a Muse and a Lord- They’re nowhere near as influential as Calliope and Caliborn are, but Boldir has really shaped the MSPA Reader’s way of seeing the world around them, and ever since their encounter they’ve started to recall events of Bad End Timelines, and the story has been getting more and more Meta. Similarly, Marvus held back the collapse of a Doomed Timeline on his own, and showed both a medium awareness and a knowledge of the mechanics of Paradox Space only seen in Alt Calliope and Squared Sprites.
So if these two totally random Trolls in Outglut can pull off something like this, why couldn’t your Fantroll in a Fansession be a Muse or a Lord?
Would you be happy if Hussie provided a clear class overview (which are each others counterparts, which are active/passive and so on) or do you think it would take away to much of the speculation/fun?
I’d really love seeing Hussie’s actual system, even if it was completely different from what we’ve theorized. It’s not going to take away any of the speculation, you’ve seen the Aspects, we know their pairs and have some canon information on them and still there’s stuff left vague and out that we know is true because it’s stated in the comic (Like Fortune with Light, as people have pointed out).
Hussie is all about Hyperflexible systems, even if we knew the exact verbage and Passive/Active alignment of the Classes, there would be a LOT to explore, not to say, a different take on the Class Pairs could lead us to finding out new things about some characters we hadn’t thought about before, and even to reclassify the Active/Passive spectrum entirely.
does doom have to do anything with the captor‘s theme of duality, or was that more blood caste related. if it does have something to do with doom, would doom players also exhibit patterns of duality in their personality and such?
Duality is actually surprisingly found in a bunch of different Aspects, not just Doom- But it could have something to do with Doom influencing the Caste rather than the other way around.
In the past I've gotten Rage, Doom, & Light as aspects (Light being the Hiveswap test). What similarities would you say the 3 might share? Or would the first 2 simply be my still developing personality focusing on negativity? (Sorry I'm just v curious about this)
The first two don’t necessarily have to mean anything negative, and you also don’t necessarily have to be Light because the Quiz assigned it to you if you find that some other Aspect suits you better- They’re kind of really distinct? I don’t know where to begin comparing them because they just touch entirely different facets of reality and can be applied in several different ways so… Uh. Just check out the descriptions for each of them and see which one suits you better, if any of them?
Am i correct in the statement that rage is the only aspect with no positive coonotations? ~bard of rage
Of course not! Rage talks of rebelling against the unfair and bringing a revolution to tyranny. It talks of tearing the fabricated reality to become more aware of the truth and reach a better understanding of everything around you. And even with the Rage and Violence connotations, it can easily be twisted into Self-Control and Pacification.
could you explain some key differences in the functioning/qualities of someone who's a mage of blood vs. seer of blood please?
Thing is… There’s really not that much of a difference? In practice, with specific examples, it could be much more specific. In theory? They potentially have the exact same set of powers. It’s just how they use it- To benefit themselves or others- And the POSSIBLE leanings they may have, directly using them to do something themeslves vs guiding others through their knowledge, or coming to a conclusion themselves through introspection vs coming to learn something, for example. Even the ‘Mages do the Miracle part of Prophets, Seers do the Knowing part of Prophets’ thing is reductive, since Seers can very much gain power and use their knowledge and Aspect for miracles, and Mages can easily just guide others with their knowledge, so it really is a case by case basis and a more general Active/Passive leaning rather than any big difference between the two Classes.
And the same applies somewhat to every other Class.
since we’re talking about rage, how do you think rage correlates with Lynera other than her obvious anger problems?
The actual rage and sort of… Turmoil and madness of her Yandere-y personality definitely tie into it. But also, a big part of her character is needing solid confirmation. She can’t bring herself to befriend anyone at the Bar because she doesn’t know anyone, she doesn’t trust them. She can’t bring herself to confess her feelings to Bronya, because without solid proof that her feelings would be reciprocated, she’s too scared of rejection. Doubt and trust issues really shape Lynera’s world, and she needs a solid rock to lean on.
If doomed dave sprited himself before he time travelled back to fix things, would he still be doomed?
I want to say ‘yes’, because it would mean that there’s still an unprototyped Kernelsprite and would lead to there being two Sprites.
However, with two Nannasprites by the end of Homestuck, I actually am not certain if that’s a matter of the Timeline not being considered as within the ‘Alpha’ anymore, if it’s something about her being a Maid of Life, or if Sprites are simply exempt of these rules because they count as new iterations and are sort of protected as Game Constructs to an extent.