2014-02-18 2:40:00 ¶ ●

don’t post “gypsystuck” prompts

2014-02-18 4:28:00 ¶ ●

also if you didn’t like someone’s reply to your post you could at least tell them instead of just bailing, waiting a few hours until you think they’re not on the site, removing the character they replied with from the “characters requested” part of your prompt, and reposting it

you’d be surprised how many people would be willing to rewrite starters if they moved too fast/slow for you

2014-02-18 10:20:00 ¶ ●

maybe people would reply to your prompt if it wasn’t

- three sentences long
- badly written
- erasing the queer sexuality of not one, but TWO characters
- and then claiming it’s your crack otp
- fucking please, nobody has that crack otp unless they’re trollin

also don’t even talk to me about straight characters in gay ships it’s not even close to the same thing it’s not a fucking double standard I can’t believe this fucking fandom is still having this argument THREE AND A HALF YEARS AFTER JOHNKAT STARTED IT

also you wanna fucking go about how “disrespectful to bisexuals” it is to say making kanaya bi is bad? you wanna fuckin go? why don’t you ever do this with straight characters why is it always fucking kanaya and dirk you assholes focus on not every gay character is for you. homestuck has ELEVEN PROBABLY-BI A2 TROLLS, TWELVE PROBABLY-BI A1 TROLLS, and AT LEAST TWO HUMAN KIDS WHO ARE AT THE VERY LEAST BISEXUAL, one of them CONFIRMED bisexual even and the other one possibly being either bi or lesbian but all interpretations are fine, who cares! why the fuck is it so important you have kanaya and dirk, can’t you keep your fucking paws off the only two characters gay people have as theirs in this fucking comic

or, hell! talk about it for the straight characters! why don’t you get on people about how insisting john MUST be straight is insulting to bi people?

KANAYA AND DIRK ARE GAY. GET OVER IT. MOVE ON WITH YOUR LIFE. I DON’T EVEN CARE THAT MUCH IF YOU SHIP THEM IN HET SHIT BUT STOP FUCKING TRYING TO DEFEND IT.

2014-02-18 19:31:00 ¶ ●

holy shit, yes, the assholes are the gay people asking you to stop making fucking homophobic arguments about why you’re entitled to ship dirk and kanaya in het ships, and not the people making those fucking homophobic arguments.

REMINDER: many of us could give LESS of a fuck if it’s your guilty pleasure ship or what fucking have you if you just fucking stopped trying to make arguments for why you should be allowed!

but who am I fucking kidding! this is the cherubplay tag where people argue that it’s not harmful to roleplay pedophilia. what a fucking wonder they try to prove with fucking 101 level-disprovable “social justice” that it’s perfectly ok to ship gay characters in het ships.

I DON’T CARE IF YOU SHIP IT, IT’S STILL SHIT, AND I (AND OTHERS) WOULD HAVE A SMALL SLIVER OF RESPECT FOR YOU IF YOU ACKNOWLEDGED IT’S SHIT. AS OPPOSED TO THE 0 RESPECT FOR YOU WE HAVE WHEN YOU MAKE BULLSHIT, DISPROVABLE ARGUMENTS ABOUT WHY IT’S NOT WRONG AND EVERYONE WHO THINKS IT IS IS JUST A MEANIE WHO IS BEING MEAN.

2014-02-18 20:14:00 ¶ ● ⬈

codexkind:

> I don’t really want to start a fight, and that’s not my intention with this, but I get the sinking feeling it’s gonna cause one. My point is aimed at whinesaboutrp, who I’d do the @ mention thing, but tumblr isn’t letting me atm. So.

> Maybe I’m overthinking this whole thing, and for everyone else this really is a basic argument about whether or not it’s okay to ship what character with whom, but I’m attempting to approach this as a legitimate discussion about sexuality in literature, with some of the language of role playing mixed in. Boiled down, I don’t care about shipping, and it’s never been something I’m much interested in. It just happens the discussion is taking place in a tag dedicated to a roleplaying site.

> But come on. This is an interesting discussion, and there is a lot to unpack and talk about here. And I’m right there with you when you say Dirk is 100% without questions, gay. It’s right there, black and whi-. Well, okay, Orange and grey, given the font, but, it’s in the text. Kanaya, however, is a lot more dubious, and it’s interesting to talk about.

> As another brief aside, and I said as much in one of the earlier posts I made in regards to the topic. But. Especially in Kanaya’s case, where she personally has never made a definitive statement? Claiming that a female character with a pattern of female partners in concupiscent relationships being attracted to a male in the same context is queer erasure, is wrong. Because the statement implies a value judgement on bisexual and pansexual identifications being less worthwhile than a strictly homosexual one, which is already problematic given the way bi/pan people are treated in the GSRM community and in general.

> Jesus, I am doing a lot of damned talking today. My point is, there is a discussion to be had, and it can be an interesting one, but to ‘whinesaboutrp’ specifically, and the cherubplay tag in general, guys, don’t make this personal. We’re talking about fiction, and playing games around the fiction. There is no need to attack one another when this could be a great discussion. Please?

kanaya is unarguably gay, we have word of god on the matter, why is it so important that she personally says it? why does her sexuality not count otherwise? she will never actually say it, by the way, because she comes from a society without a concept of “attracted only to one gender”

it doesn’t imply bisexual relationships are less worthwhile, it implies that kanaya is not bisexual. that’s all. why is it that even though trolls are normally bi and pan you have to argue making the single one we know is not bit into a bi character is permissable and arguing otherwise is biphobic

biphobia and bi erasure is a major problem in fandom. I agree with you on this matter. it’s a serious issue that characters are often perceived as straight or gay with no in-betweens. the problem with applying this to kanaya is that we know for a fact that she is gay. andrew hussie himself said that she is, from a human point of view, a lesbian, which means she’s only interested in girls. and why does it always come down to kanaya and dirk, the two characters we know for a fact are gay?

why aren’t you more interested in the way fandom, for example, tried to prove gamzee must be gay because he was interested in tavros, then outright declared his black interest in terezi was feigned or didn’t count? that’s pretty biphobic. how about how people decide that jake english was actually straight and forced into experimentation by dirk? that’s bi erasure as hell. what about the assertion that dave, jade, and roxy, 3 characters we have no confirmed sexuality for, must be straight because we haven’t seen them in relationships with the same gender? how about the assumption that sollux is straight because he’s only been in relationships with aradia and feferi? the assumption terezi is straight because of gamzee and karkat while ignoring that her relationship with vriska was treading very close to full on kismesis territory?

you’re right, assuming someone is a sexuality based on their relationships is iffy as hell. but nobody’s assuming kanaya is gay based on her relationships. we know it’s true because hussie said so, and while you’re right that maybe hussie is full of shit sometimes, I don’t personally see “kanaya is a lesbian” as worth ignoring the way fat vriska jokes or caucasian bullshit is, because unlike either of those things, kanaya being a lesbian promotes inclusivity. sometimes the author doesn’t have to be dead 100% of the time. sometimes the author’s statements, especially hussie’s jokey ones, can be ignored (fat vriska). sometimes they’re important to those of us that feel represented by kanaya. sometimes they’re important context for the comic – if hussie had given us word of god that sollux, for example, was straight, and then used his only concupiscent relationships being straight as a backing for that, it’d be less biphobic and bi-erasey to claim sollux was straight.

the thing is that straight-normative arguments are way, way worse about this, and way less inclusive, than the people who are fighting for gay characters to be left alone. if you have seen how this fandom tries to prove, over and over, that dirk isn’t gay because he hates being labeled, can you understand how tired of the same thing happening with kanaya we are? because it’s seen as bi erasure to claim kanaya and dirk are gay, but nobody gets on a high horse about how it’s bi erasure to claim john is straight. because straight sexuality is normatized.

I hope that is more articulate about why this is a problem.

2014-02-19 2:42:25 ¶ ●

what the fuck is this

2014-02-20 21:34:27 ¶ ●

holy shit, i realized that prompt was a snoop dogg joke, but “ghetto"speak and gizoogle and all that shit is still fucking racist

2014-02-20 21:36:19 ¶ ●

the saddest song played on the shittiest guitar is when you’re about to click “reply” on a prompt, someone else hits it first, and you never see that prompt ever again.

2014-02-20 22:11:00 ¶ ●

bot going around grabbing all prompts again, I don’t have any prompts open right now but if anyone who got answered by the bot/person wants to submit them to cherubplay that would be a great idea, let them know what’s happening

2014-02-20 22:19:38 ¶ ● ⬀ ⬈

laughterechoes:

> whinesaboutrp:

> > bot going around grabbing all prompts again, I don’t have any prompts open right now but if anyone who got answered by the bot/person wants to submit them to cherubplay that would be a great idea, let them know what’s happening

> it’s not a bot, it’s a person

> i’m in a conversation with them rn

fair enough but this “snags all prompts just to be a dick” shit is still report-worthy imo

2014-02-20 22:35:00 ¶ ●

in news unrelated to the jackass snagging prompts just to be a dick, I always want to reply to the Egyptstuck or Romanstuck Jake/Ya'qob, but I definitely feel like I don’t know enough about the history of either period to do it. your prompts are great, random Ya'qob individual. I only wish I felt adequate to reply. Keep doin what you do. Hope you see this post and know someone enjoys your shit.

2014-02-21 0:47:00 ¶ ●

there’s your answer

(sighs deeply about wanting to rp)

2014-02-21 9:45:13 ¶ ●

LOOK OUT WE’VE GOT A BADASS OVER HERE TAKING ALL THE PROMPTS LIKE A TRUE 4CHANNER WITH NOTHING TO DO BUT JACK OFF ALL DAY

2014-02-22 11:01:00 ¶ ●

why the fuck are people arguing in defense of the holocaust prompt and getting snitty about what can and can’t trigger people in this fucking tag

(the answer is yes, actually, it can trigger people, as survivors and families of survivors and, YOU KNOW, JEWISH PEOPLE, exist on the internet, and the answer is also “it’s still gross even if it triggered literally no one because you’re making a horrific tragedy that killed 11 million people into a funtimes romance rp”)

gross ew gross gross gross gross gross

2014-02-24 0:13:00 ¶ ●

there’s always that one prompt that keeps showing up that makes you angry for reasons mostly unrelated to social justice (though there’s a bit in there too)

you just see it and go rgghhkkkkkh

2014-02-27 8:27:28 ¶ ●

when you just start getting into an rp and your partner goes offline

please just be offline for the night, this prompt is amazing

2014-02-27 8:56:46 ¶ ●

pictured: yet another fucking roxy/dirk rper making arguments as to why shipping dirk in a straight relationship is totally ok and you’re the REAL bigot for thinking maybe it’d be nice to just treat him as gay

look:

I don’t care if you ship roxy/dirk. I really don’t. I dooooon’t. but when you make these fucking excuses as though everyone ELSE is bigoted and you’re the true enlightened hero for shoving one of the only canon gay characters in the comic into a het relationship, I want to shake you by your shoulders and demand what the hell I, or any other queer person, ever did to you.

do you know how much irl gay people get this bullshit “sexuality is fluid” thing thrown at them to prove they’re not really gay?

do you know how you repeating it in a casual venue proves that you’ve bought into it and reminds us of what we have to deal with daily?

do you have any fucking idea how many queer people ask themselves daily if they’re not “really” queer because they’ve been told this so many times?

don’t fucking give me this “but it’s just rp it’s not real” shit, what you’re saying there is so fucking reflective of homophobia irl.

ship what you ship. but stop fucking making excuses. people have every right to be upset with your ship. you can ignore them and go on your way, or you could be a petty fucking asshole and try to prove that you’re the real progressive one here by making a gay dude “ask roxy what boobs feel like or something to fuel smut.”

2014-02-27 10:55:55 ¶ ● ⬀ ⬈

tim4eus:

> whinesaboutrp:

> > pictured: yet another fucking roxy/dirk rper making arguments as to why shipping dirk in a straight relationship is totally ok and you’re the REAL bigot for thinking maybe it’d be nice to just treat him as gay

> > look:

> > I don’t care if you ship roxy/dirk. I really don’t. I dooooon’t. but when you make these fucking excuses as though everyone ELSE is bigoted and you’re the true enlightened hero for shoving one of the only canon gay characters in the comic into a het relationship, I want to shake you by your shoulders and demand what the hell I, or any other queer person, ever did to you.

> > do you know how much irl gay people get this bullshit “sexuality is fluid” thing thrown at them to prove they’re not really gay?

> > do you know how you repeating it in a casual venue proves that you’ve bought into it and reminds us of what we have to deal with daily?

> > do you have any fucking idea how many queer people ask themselves daily if they’re not “really” queer because they’ve been told this so many times?

> > don’t fucking give me this “but it’s just rp it’s not real” shit, what you’re saying there is so fucking reflective of homophobia irl.

> > ship what you ship. but stop fucking making excuses. people have every right to be upset with your ship. you can ignore them and go on your way, or you could be a petty fucking asshole and try to prove that you’re the real progressive one here by making a gay dude “ask roxy what boobs feel like or something to fuel smut.”

> Alright, first and foremost— yes, this RPer worded what they wanted to happen in the prompt terribly. Essentially they’re taking advantage of Dirk while he’s in a state of emotional weakness. But I feel the need to bring something to attention?

> As someone who’s queer myself, I can definitely say that sexual orientation is something that’s fluid; I’m an adult who still has an incredibly fluid orientation.

> I’m not saying this goes for everyone but it’s something PLAUSIBLE. Just because you say you’re gay one day does not mean you can’t be bisexual another; now saying that someone is limited to one orientation, that, my friend is bigoted.

> Also, may I just bring up the wonderful double standard; John states in canon that he’s heterosexual. The amount of JohnDave shippers is titanic. Yet NO ONE flips their shit when people want to RP JohnDave or JohnKat or BroJohn etc. etc.
> The moral of the story is, it doesn’t matter who you want to ship a FICTIONAL CHARACTER with. Because they are FICTIONAL. It’s not hurting anyone to RP DirkRoxy or DirkJane or JohnDave or JohnKat.

> And they do have a point; you love whoever you love! And that’s great!!! But it’s not great to use a character’s emotional distress to bend things to your liking. It’s poor writing and if you insist on that being a part of your prompt it should be tagged as emotional manipulation.

now reblogging this correctly. thanks, tumblr

1) I outright said “I don’t care if you ship roxy/dirk, just don’t make excuses.” I really don’t care if they ship it. it has stopped mattering to me. but I do care when they try to prove they’re in the right for shipping it. when they dismiss the concerns other people have with “well you just love who you love, golly gee, don’t be a bigot, I’m being progressive by putting the gay guy in a straight ship.”

2) sexuality isn’t fluid for dirk god damned strider or I’m pretty sure he would not be so conflicted about being unable to love roxy. he has stated he would have tried if he thought he could have. but he has to be “true to himself.”

3) putting a straight character into a queer relationship is not even remotely comparable to putting a gay character into a straight relationship, especially not when it’s one of the only confirmed gay characters in the comic, especially when they’re staging it as rebound sex post-breakup (so, what, he breaks up with a boy and then finds ~true love~ in a het relationship? wow, not heteronormative at all, I’ve never seen that narrative at all. ever. sarcasm is a thing), especially when dirk’s inability to love roxy how he thinks she deserves is a major goddamn character point for him

I hate this “love surpasses boundaries!!!” thing being applied to gay characters because it’s taking a phrase that is mostly used by queer people, most often by bi and pansexual people, to explain how they view their sexualities. you’re taking a phrase that was all but coined by queer people and using it to justify straightwashing a gay dude.

this would not even bother me so much if dirk had not made very explicitly clear that his sexuality is not fluid, period. jake was his only option.

don’t compare dirk/roxy to john/dave again, please. it’s not a double standard unless queerness and straightness are treated as equal by society and in the media, which they’re not.

(and “no one” flips their shit? people have been flipping their shit nonstop about how hypocritical it is to ship john in slash since the “not a homosexual” log happened. I know they have. I have been there since before that, watching it unfold. plenty of people flip their shit. they are just not the same people that frequent cherubplay.)

and don’t you dare call me bigoted. my sexuality has been fluid. I know that for many people, it’s like that. I went through a very long phase of growth and change as an individual regarding my sexuality. I respect that it happens. but that’s a complete nonsequitur to the issue at hand. this “fluidity” excuse gets used all the fucking time to strip canonically queer characters of their queerness, to shove them into het relationships for ~chemistry,~ sometimes outright ignoring the exact issues that dirk strider’s relationship with roxy revolves around — that he hates himself, very deeply, and he has made his inability to return roxy’s feelings one of the items on his “reasons why I think I suck” list.

2014-02-28 5:20:00 ¶ ●

you ever have that rp you get into that you just want to gush about all over tumblr but you’re worried it’ll make your partner turn tail and run for the hills

2014-02-28 6:48:00 ¶ ● ⬈

turnmechgoghead:

> I saw this and I replied to it and… I don’t know what I was expecting.

> Read More

this is the single most beautiful thing I have ever seen upon this entire earth

2014-02-28 22:18:40 ¶ ●

aw crocker hal, no, come back, you can blame it all on me

(if you didn’t like the rp that’s cool but you’re a great rper and I was having fun, go forth and continue being incredible)