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• 10 yr. ago
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[TPS][spoilers] is Angel mentioned besides the one time i remember?

I remember picking up an audio log in regolith range and it ended with Jack asking Angel to think up an algorithm to minimize the chances of claptraps dropping everything and breaking into random dancing.

Is there any other mention of Angel in the game? at the end, jack gets the influx of knowledge from the magical vault plot device and he says "i get it", meaning he knows sirens are the answer. that would suggest he only started using Angel after that. you know, locking her up, sucking out her power etc, but the way he talks to her during the echo log sounds like he's ordering a computer, not talking to a person behind a desk or something, like she was still free and just helping her dad.

does anyone know?

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Vulpes_Medicus
• 10y ago

I'm pretty sure Jack had her locked up while she was young, probably before TPS began (Hence why he talks to her like he's requesting info from a database in all of those ECHOs).

The only solid proof of this I can think of right now though are that you don't hear from Jack's wife at all, and Moxxi is already his ex so it implies his wife has been dead for a while (The implication in BL2 was that Angel was locked up because she killed her mother).

Much more conclusive though were the series of ECHOs in BL2 on Jack's backstory. One was Jack talking to a young Angel (Who sounds much younger than in BL1) and telling her to get into the chair that imprisons her. Another featured a guy being strangled by Jack after suggesting they shut Angel down (Kill her instead of imprisoning her), and this ECHO at least happens before the end of TPS because Jack references the difference between "strangling" and "choking".

Now as to the reason he turns the picture down, I was talking to a friend about theories we had. He believed that, since this apparently occurs mid-game when Jack is betrayed and begins being much looser about his morals and killing people, that Jack just doesn't want his daughter to "see" the kind of person he's become.

My personal belief though is that Jack already felt guilt at what he did to Angel before the game, but was able to justify it as "The right thing to do". As he progressed through TPS, doing more and more monstrous things because they were "right", he perhaps subconsciously realizes that what he did to his daughter was just as horrible as the things he was doing now (Things harder to justify), and can no longer come to terms with it as easily as he did before.

tl;dr: The ECHOs in BL2 imply Angel was imprisoned by BL1, and Jack put the picture down because he realizes he's a horrible father.

ToasterLoader
• 10y ago

I like this

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