Hamlet roasting people- part 2
Are we all going to ignore the fact that Laertes cannonly has a fan club
I was casually on sparknotes because I wanted to see how they translated Edmund’s soliloquy, and-
The original line:
-strongly worded
-bold
-makes him sound like he could definitely succeed with his plot
The new and improved line:
-what
-he sounds like a child
-I’m literally picturing 10 year old Edmund now
Original line:
“oh you’re into that now?”
New and improved line:
“you’re wasting your time with that? Really? You absolute idiot.”
Yup I’ll give you a random ask: Tell me all about Hamlet. The character, not the play. I mean you can also tell me about the play if you want. Also you can tell me all about how Horatio and Laertes are excellent foils to him. Also how they’re both excellent characters too (unless you disagree, but given your username I doubt you dislike Horatio).
colalexander-deactivated2021010:
Oh boy, do I have a lot to say about Hamlet.
Hamlet, who was destined from birth to be king, born into wealth and into the arms of loving parents.
Hamlet, who grew to be soft, physically and mentally, and kind. A boy who loved philosophy, who had a passion for theatre and his studies, not muscular or built for war like his father. Too fat by his mother’s standards, not manly enough by his uncle’s standards, not hard or determined enough by his father’s. Witty enough to fit in with Rosencrantz and Guildenstern, clever enough to earn Horatio’s admiration, charming enough to win Ophelia’s affections.
Hamlet, who privately hoped the day when he would become king would never come. The young prince much preferred his studies, the gentle banter between him and Horatio in the halls of Wittenberg, flirtations with Ophelia that would remain lighthearted and unburdened with the obligation to court her, the comfort of two parents who loved each other. He wasn’t made for war, he wasn’t made for triumphs and gorey battlefields.
Hamlet, who lost his composure when the news broke that his father was dead, Horatio in shock at his side. The guilty moment of sick hope when he learned that Claudius was to be king, that he may continue with his studies, only for that small comfort to be shattered by his mother’s pleas to return to Denmark.
Hamlet, broken as he set off alone, leaving what was now the closest thing he had to home to return to the empty one, without his dear Horatio. Shaken with grief that flashed between the throes of suicidal dreams and white hot anger of the injustice of it all, watching his mother take her brother in law in marriage not even a year after his beloved father’s death. More than a decade of marriage dissolving in one meaningless kiss.
Hamlet, who was surrounded by ghosts. Ophelia, whose love was bitter and meaningless now, now that he knew he would have to marry her, now that he had no choice. He would have to find a queen, and would she just as easily leave him? Rosencrantz and Guildenstern, their jokes turned sour, lurking in the shadows, the friendliness gone from their eyes. Claudius, the late king’s own brother, trying to take the place of his father. His mother, worst of all, his mother who should be grieving beside him, who abandoned him to his misery.
Horatio was the one thing that kept him from leaving it all. Horatio who walked beside him when no one else would.
Hamlet, who now had to kill his own blood. And by the end of it all, more blood than he could ever imagine would stain his hands. Horatio was the one person who assured him it was real. Even when his mask of madness was beginning to feel eerily like his true skin, Horatio kept him grounded. Without him, without him where would he be? Would he be?
Hamlet, who was never enough. Not compared to Laertes, the young man Claudius wishes were his real nephew and step son, Fortinbras, who rose to power in the wake of his own father’s death, even his dearest Horatio, strong and levelheaded through it all. Despite it all.
Hamlet, whose grief clouded every thought, until the very end. The prince who was meant to be scholar turned murderer instead. A philosophy who choked on his own dreams and indecision, unable to save the one other person who suffered the same fate, and she suffered it at his hands.
Hamlet, who died in his best friend’s arms, with Denmark rotting all around him.
Hamlet, who gave up his life to finish his father’s.
Hamlet, whose one wish came true;
Hamlet, who died before he could become king.
Me: sends an ask
You: somehow jumps inside Hamlet’s brain, sees his whole life flash before your eyes, lays it all down in words that sum it up and describe it in the most beautiful, tragic, and somehow poetic way possible. Everyone reading it will cry.
This is beautiful. This is the definition of beauty. This is perfection. This exceeds any and all expectations. I thought the response would be like “lol he’s neat- a very complex character”. This. This is amazing. I can’t even describe how much I love it.
I have no idea what’s happening to my hair but ever since I got a haircut my hair has been really fluffy and soft and I love it
Is this something that needs to be posted? Nah
Tbh no one’s seen me irl since March so no one can appreciate my hair other than me, so I needed to tell all of you so you can appreciate my hair as well
Ok so has anyone seen any production of Hamlet ever where Hamlet Sr. and Claudius looked even remotely similar? Did anyone ever see a performance where they had any sort of family resemblance whatsoever?
If so please let me know
So. The entire revenge plot. The count’s revenge plots. We all know about them. And if someone would ask which one Benedetto was involved in we’d say Villefort’s. Obviously.
I mean he also killed Caderousse, but the count wasn’t planning that one from the start.
BUT LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING (something that I tell you about once a year, tbh). He played a vital role in all 3 revenge plans, and without him the count would have very little revenge.
First let’s look at what would have happened if he wouldn’t have been involved in Danglars’s revenge plan. If he wouldn’t have been engaged to Eugenie, Danglars would have been a lot less calm about losing all that money in the stock market, because Eugenie would be engaged to a guy with much less money than the Cavalcantis supposedly had. So he would have taking some sort of action sooner to ensure that he didn’t lose as much as he did as quickly as he did. And yes, he made most of his money off of Lucien telling his wife what stocks to invest in. But he clearly knows what he’s doing to some extent, and he’d probably be able to regain a significant amount of his losses. There you have it, revenge failed.
Onto Fernand. Say Benedetto wasn’t there. Then Albert would have been engaged to Eugenie. That would have been a nice respectable marriage. Fernand had gone to Danglars asking him to speed up the engagement/ have them get married, but since Danglars was considering replacing Albert with Andrea, he refused. In this alternate universe, there is no Andrea to replace Albert, so the engagement get sped up and they get married. Now Albert can’t send Beauchamp to look into the mysterious article written about his father, because he’s married and has to deal with whatever starting a marriage entails. (Idk what that would be, it just seems like a lot of work). Also, the count can’t randomly take Albert away from Paris during his father’s trial, so chances are things may have worked out a bit differently there.
IN CONCLUSION. Andrea’s engagement to Eugenie wasn’t just a good cover for him in the time before he was arrested, it also literally destroyed the lives the upper class people of France.
Ok so has anyone seen any production of Hamlet ever where Hamlet Sr. and Claudius looked even remotely similar? Did anyone ever see a performance where they had any sort of family resemblance whatsoever?
If so please let me know
That’s one thing that always bothered me! People even draw them similarly. I want a Claudius that looks so much like Hamlet Senior, it’s hard for Hamlet to even look at him without seeing his father. A Claudius that so closely resembles the dead king, Gertrude could almost pretend her husband was still there. Give me a Claudius that jumps every time he passes by a mirror, a Claudius who is still mistaken for his dead brother, a Claudius whose murder felt more to him like killing his own reflection.
YES EXACTLY!
It’s so much harder on Hamlet that it’s his uncle- not just because no one wants their uncle marrying their mother, but because of all people to claim the role fo his new step father, it’s someone who actually resembles him from a far. Or maybe even from up close.
When I posted that, I had a feeling people would come after me claiming that they don’t look similar, and using that one scene where Hamlet compares their portraits to each other while yelling at Gertrude. But I’d have to say that that scene actually leads me to believe even more that they looked similar.
If two people look nothing alike, no one has to comment on that. It’s obvious, there’s no need to point it out. If two people look kinda similar, and you were trying to prove they don’t look that similar, you’d say “they have the same hair and eye color, but other than that they’re completely different”. You’d point out the few things that are the same about them, and then say that the rest is different.
HOWEVER, if two people look so similar that someone, upon meet each one once, wouldn’t be able to tell you which is which, you’d have to point out the subtle differences. You’d say “sure, they look similar, but if you want to tell them apart look closely at their jawline. That was has a more rounded jawline, while the other is slightly more pointed”.
I don’t have a copy of Hamlet in front of me. I can’t quote it. But I seem to remember the basic content of Hamlet’s speech to Gertrude describing the appearance of his father vs his uncle falling into that last category.
It must have been so hard on Hamlet. Having to direct his feelings of loss, sorrow, and grief, and his feelings of hatred, anger, and vengeance, towards people who looked so similar that when describing how they differ you’d have to go into the subtle nuances.
1- Regular tired-You wanna sleep. Don’t worry, you’ll get to eventually.
2- Tired Plus- If given the opportunity, you know you’ll easily fall asleep in less than 30 seconds. You shouldn’t do any important tasks at this stage because you’ll definitely make a bunch of stupid mistakes.
3- Tired EXTREME- You just. Shut down. Your body is just like “nope” and knocks you out. You’re like “no I gotta stay awake”, but your body’s just like “nah I know what’s best for you.” And just. Yeets you out of consciousness.
@sargent-major-jane I’ve done the thing, and I’m deeply disappointed in myself
Oh, so we have to wear our uniforms on zoom school now?
Why.
States Game Advanced Level:
https://www.sporcle.com/games/Matt/find_the_states
(mostly for @history-anon the rest of y’all need some geography help)
Due to my incredible powers of random guessing, I actually got a few right
astrangergivingthestrangewelcome:
Laertes is really the most iconic character in all of Hamlet. Everyone else in the play is effected by the toxic environment of Elsinore and compelled to put on masks and keep secrets and hide what they feel and Laertes is really just out there acting on whatever the first impulse that comes into his brain is. “Churlish priest my sister will be a ministering angel when you lay howling” “I would slit his throat in the church” honey you’re in front of people
He’s only that confident because he has his entire fan club backing him up
(I just gotta say, when I was typing “reason” autocorrect changed it to “treason”, and I think that’s very appropriate considering the subject matter)
So. I guess I’ve always subconsciously had this headcannon/ believed this headcannon to be true, but it just occurred to me that it’s very much a headcannon and not textually true. So let’s dive into this.
HEADCANNON STARTS HERE:
So. In the opening scene of King Lear, Gloucester is introducing Edmund to Kent. There’s something that always bothered me about this scene- If Gloucester so obviously likes Edgar more than Edmund, why would he not only not bring Edgar along, but bring Edmund, of all people? It doesn’t make much sense.
UNLESS. And hear me out. [ Ignore that one line that says Edmund was gone for 7 years. Ok. You don’t know how gone he was*. So just for a second forget about this so I can move on with the headcannon.]
OK. So we know. We see very clearly. That between the two, Edgar clearly isn’t the smart one. Edgar clearly isn’t the one who would do best meeting with random nobility, as we see when Regan visits Gloucester and says something like “ew wasn’t that the guy who hung out with my dad’s knights?”. Edmund, on the other hand, can easily hold a conversation with anyone. Edmund is the charismatic one. So if Gloucester would have to choose one to bring with him to represent the Gloucester family, he’d make the decision that would be the most beneficial to him, rather than the decision he’s happiest with. He’d bring Edmund.
That’s part of the reason for why he feels the need to 1- introduce him as “my bastard kid” 2-and mention that he has an older legitimate brother. That way anyone meeting him would get the idea “if the younger illegitimate son is *this* pleasant to talk to, imagine how cool and talented the*older, legitimate* son is!”.
Gloucester introduces Edmund the way that he does not because he just feels like it, or can’t think of anything better to say. He introduces him like that to make his family look better. Because yes, sometimes insulting your kid could indirectly cause people to believe that your family is better and more talented than it is.
And obviously Edmund is no idiot. He knows Gloucester’s intentions. Not very good ones, in his (and my) opinion. Honestly, he’d rather Gloucester act like that out of stupidity, or a lack of understanding for social situations. He’d even except Gloucester treating him like that out of pure hatred. But he doesn’t even get that much. All he is is a way to advance the family’s image to the public. And it seems like it worked perfectly fine, considering everyone’s opinions on the Earl of Gloucester pre-play
(PLEASE read this It would literally mean so much to me I know it’s long)
(I just gotta say, when I was typing “reason” autocorrect changed it to “treason”, and I think that’s very appropriate considering the subject matter)
So. I guess I’ve always subconsciously had this headcannon/ believed this headcannon to be true, but it just occurred to me that it’s very much a headcannon and not textually true. So let’s dive into this.
HEADCANNON STARTS HERE:
So. In the opening scene of King Lear, Gloucester is introducing Edmund to Kent. There’s something that always bothered me about this scene- If Gloucester so obviously likes Edgar more than Edmund, why would he not only not bring Edgar along, but bring Edmund, of all people? It doesn’t make much sense.
UNLESS. And hear me out. [ Ignore that one line that says Edmund was gone for 7 years. Ok. You don’t know how gone he was*. So just for a second forget about this so I can move on with the headcannon.]
OK. So we know. We see very clearly. That between the two, Edgar clearly isn’t the smart one. Edgar clearly isn’t the one who would do best meeting with random nobility, as we see when Regan visits Gloucester and says something like “ew wasn’t that the guy who hung out with my dad’s knights?”. Edmund, on the other hand, can easily hold a conversation with anyone. Edmund is the charismatic one. So if Gloucester would have to choose one to bring with him to represent the Gloucester family, he’d make the decision that would be the most beneficial to him, rather than the decision he’s happiest with. He’d bring Edmund.
That’s part of the reason for why he feels the need to 1- introduce him as “my bastard kid” 2-and mention that he has an older legitimate brother. That way anyone meeting him would get the idea “if the younger illegitimate son is *this* pleasant to talk to, imagine how cool and talented the*older, legitimate* son is!”.
Gloucester introduces Edmund the way that he does not because he just feels like it, or can’t think of anything better to say. He introduces him like that to make his family look better. Because yes, sometimes insulting your kid could indirectly cause people to believe that your family is better and more talented than it is.
And obviously Edmund is no idiot. He knows Gloucester’s intentions. Not very good ones, in his (and my) opinion. Honestly, he’d rather Gloucester act like that out of stupidity, or a lack of understanding for social situations. He’d even except Gloucester treating him like that out of pure hatred. But he doesn’t even get that much. All he is is a way to advance the family’s image to the public. And it seems like it worked perfectly fine, considering everyone’s opinions on the Earl of Gloucester pre-play
(PLEASE read this It would literally mean so much to me I know it’s long)
so in conclusion
fuck gloucester even more, edmund was actually extra super valid?
YES Edmund will always be super valid to me
Also I forgot to mention, but the fact that Edmund doesn’t even react to Gloucester being like “haha yup my bastard son, who’s nothing compared to his older legitimate brother” proves that this is just.. how he’s introduced. This isn’t a surprise to him, this is what happens Every Single Time he goes to a social event. Which, if I had to take a wild guess, would be very often.
OK SO
The Lear Family. It’s a mess. But for how long was it so messy? As I mentioned in my Edmund theory, you can learn a lot about a character from other characters’ reactions (or lack there of) to what they do. Which is gonna be what this whole theory is based around.
In the opening scene of Lear, Lear divides up his kingdom among his three daughters. Or tries to, at least. Because while Goneril and Regan were kissing up to him and playing his game, Cordelia didn’t think that was the most functional way to figure out such important matters, and refuses to participate. Lear, who prior to this claimed that Cordelia was his favorite child, does a complete 180 and banishes her from the kingdom.
As I said, we learn a lot by looking at people’s reactions. Kent, upon hearing this, is shocked and appalled. Goneril and Regan, however, are completely unfazed. G and R [this time meaning Goneril and Regan, not Guildenstern and Rosencrantz], who have lived with and dealt with Lear longer and more frequently than Kent, view the situation as “just another day in the Lear household”. Which of course leads me to believe that Lear does things like this often. He changes his entire opinion of people in milliseconds, based off of minor and irrelevant things. G and R know this, and have probably not had the best childhood as a result of it. They both seem to think the same way in regard to how to deal with it- go along with whatever Lear wants while you’re in front of him, but as soon as he’s not there you’re free to be yourself. Their original agreement to participate in Lear’s praise game wasn’t in and of itself malicious, but rather it was appeasement. A decent strategy for dealing with someone like Lear.
And then, what about Cordelia? Why didn’t she agree to go along with it? You can say that it’s because of what type of person she is: ie someone who’d rather express her feelings genuinely than express them for the purpose of receiving compensation of some sort. But I’d argue otherwise. Considering how surprised she is by Lear’s extreme reaction to her refusal, it would seem to be that she just hasn’t dealt with this before. She happened to be lucky- she was never in a situation before where she disagreed with Lear or did anything out of line, so she never saw this side of Lear before. Or if she did, it was directed towards someone else, and she assumed it was justified. (This is most likely why Lear said she’s his favorite prior to the praise game). If given enough experience with this side of Lear, there is a chance that she may have chosen G and R’s strategy rather than the one she tried using.
In conclusion, Cordelia isn’t necessarily innocent or “the nice one”, she’s just inexperienced with Lear’s bad side, and may have joined G and R’s team if she would have known.
OK SO
The Lear Family. It’s a mess. But for how long was it so messy? As I mentioned in my Edmund theory, you can learn a lot about a character from other characters’ reactions (or lack there of) to what they do. Which is gonna be what this whole theory is based around.
In the opening scene of Lear, Lear divides up his kingdom among his three daughters. Or tries to, at least. Because while Goneril and Regan were kissing up to him and playing his game, Cordelia didn’t think that was the most functional way to figure out such important matters, and refuses to participate. Lear, who prior to this claimed that Cordelia was his favorite child, does a complete 180 and banishes her from the kingdom.
As I said, we learn a lot by looking at people’s reactions. Kent, upon hearing this, is shocked and appalled. Goneril and Regan, however, are completely unfazed. G and R [this time meaning Goneril and Regan, not Guildenstern and Rosencrantz], who have lived with and dealt with Lear longer and more frequently than Kent, view the situation as “just another day in the Lear household”. Which of course leads me to believe that Lear does things like this often. He changes his entire opinion of people in milliseconds, based off of minor and irrelevant things. G and R know this, and have probably not had the best childhood as a result of it. They both seem to think the same way in regard to how to deal with it- go along with whatever Lear wants while you’re in front of him, but as soon as he’s not there you’re free to be yourself. Their original agreement to participate in Lear’s praise game wasn’t in and of itself malicious, but rather it was appeasement. A decent strategy for dealing with someone like Lear.
And then, what about Cordelia? Why didn’t she agree to go along with it? You can say that it’s because of what type of person she is: ie someone who’d rather express her feelings genuinely than express them for the purpose of receiving compensation of some sort. But I’d argue otherwise. Considering how surprised she is by Lear’s extreme reaction to her refusal, it would seem to be that she just hasn’t dealt with this before. She happened to be lucky- she was never in a situation before where she disagreed with Lear or did anything out of line, so she never saw this side of Lear before. Or if she did, it was directed towards someone else, and she assumed it was justified. (This is most likely why Lear said she’s his favorite prior to the praise game). If given enough experience with this side of Lear, there is a chance that she may have chosen G and R’s strategy rather than the one she tried using.
In conclusion, Cordelia isn’t necessarily innocent or “the nice one”, she’s just inexperienced with Lear’s bad side, and may have joined G and R’s team if she would have known.
Honestly I don’t agree with this at all. Using that logic, we would have to assume that Kent is in the same camp as Cordelia, neither innocent or nice, and extremely inexperienced, knowing nothing of Lear’s moods. Which is absolutely not true.
Kent was his advisor. Right hand man. Had been with Lear from the beginning. He knew Lear better than ANYONE. He knew his moods, favorite foods, likes and dislikes, and how to honey his words to get Lear to calm down and think and act rationally. He crossed lines no one else dared to. He pleaded for Cordelia until Lear banished /him/ as well, and that was not only shocking, but earth-shattering.Even if Kent expected Lear to banish Cordelia, he never thought Lear would stubbornly adhere to it and ignore his advisor’s pleas. And he never thought Lear would banish him personally. He also knew that Lear could never survive the greedy, power-hungry plans of his other two daughters, (not to mention he just couldn’t live without Lear,) and therefore risked life and limb and reputation to return to Lear and both advise him and protect him.
Both Kent and Cordelia are the tragic innocents of this play - unfortunately, Cordelia just doesn’t get as much “screen time” as she deserves.
You’re right, I may have worded some points incorrectly.
I didn’t mean to say that Cordelia *isn’t* innocent or nice, I meant that that’s not an automatic given. And I certainly wasn’t implying that she’d take part in G and R’s scheming, but rather that she may have taken part in just going along with the praise game, had she known of Lear’s extreme reactions to things.
As for Kent, I unfortunately don’t have a copy of King Lear with me at the moment, but I seem to remember him being an Earl. His connection to the Lear family is his being nobility himself, and therefore the other nobility are part of his social circle. This isn’t some Polonius situation, where people debate over what his deal is and why he hangs around the castle. It makes sense for nobility to hang out with fellow nobility. Yes, Kent is insanely loyal to Lear, but I wouldn’t necessarily say that he automatically knows Lear better than any other character. Strong feelings for the king, whether being extreme loyalty or an extreme lack there of, seem to be fairly common throughout history, and especially common among nobility.
Then again, I can be wrong. This was just a theory. And if there’s something from the play that I forgot about that would prove otherwise, feel free to let me know.
-was imposter, killed people and then vented. Except I never left the vent. I just chilled there all game. No one saw me doing anything sus because no one saw me at all
-was crewmate. Solved the case using some expert genius strategies, aka obsessively being on cams
-was imposter. Two crew mates started accusing each other of being imposter. Two other crewmates backed them. All four stakes their lives on their choices. All four were yeeted from the ship. Won without having to actually kill anyone.
Me: I can draw
Me to me, 2 seconds later
…
Anyway. Enjoy an Edmund of Gloucester, with clothing that’s most certainly for the wrong time period
And please. I beg of you. Ignore that hand of his.
Me, playing Among Us: please. Please let me be a crewmate
Among Us: …
Among Us: no.
*is in the hamlet tag*
*sees a bunch of posts referencing how cold Denmark is*
*googles how cold Denmark actually is anyway*
*wait*
*googles how cold my state is*
*the graphs are nearly identical, with Denmark being 1 to 5 degrees colder sometimes, and my state being 1 to 5 degrees colder other times*
(It’s currently 10:00 pm on October 13th, for all future reference)
Me, playing Among Us: please. Please let me be a crewmate
Among Us: …
Among Us: no.
Funny. I always have this same conversation but to be imposter
I don’t know how to even do half the tasks because I never get the chance to practice. But I know which vents lead to which rooms, so that’s fantastic.
How much I love Banquo: 6/10
How much I love Banquo if his ghost is actually him and not just Macbeth’s hallucination: 11/10
Because. Just the thought of him getting killed and then consciously making the decision to go to his ex-friends dinner party and just. Stand there.
That’s pretty funny.
I don’t know basic crewmate etiquette because I’m imposter so often this is not ok
Oh, so we have to wear our uniforms on zoom school now?
Why.
Our dean said he’s gonna make us stand up and curtsy/bow or something at the beginning of class to make sure we’re wearing the bottom half of our uniforms as well.
Why.
ya know Edgar and Edmund must have gotten their acting gene from their mothers, because Gloucester can’t act for the life of him.
ya know Edgar and Edmund must have gotten their acting gene from their mothers, because Gloucester can’t act for the life of him.
My own tags are too good to leave in the tags:
What types of books I thought I’d be reading in AP Lit:
What type of books I’m actually reading in AP Lit:
Ok let’s go through their similarities-
-dead parent
-living parent remarries too quickly
-can see and talk to ghosts
-conversation with ghost/spirit thing leads to very bad decisions being made
Step 1- want revenge
Step 2- start working on your revenge
Step 3- forge a letter from your relative than might lead to some people getting killed
Step 4- hell yeah! You got your revenge!
Step 5- get killed
*is in the hamlet tag*
*sees a bunch of posts referencing how cold Denmark is*
*googles how cold Denmark actually is anyway*
*wait*
*googles how cold my state is*
*the graphs are nearly identical, with Denmark being 1 to 5 degrees colder sometimes, and my state being 1 to 5 degrees colder other times*
Me, who always sleeps with three blankets: yeah lol it’s not even that cold here
I just finished Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood and WOW
Circle of Life- That part at the beginning where Claudius tells Hamlet to chill out because that vast majority of all fathers are dead
I Just Can’t Wait to be King- Claudius pre-play, and Fortinbras post-play
Be Prepared- what Claudius tells Laertes when plotting Hamlet’s death
Hakuna Matata- Everyone telling Hamlet to chill out in Act 1 Scene 2
Can You Feel the Love Tonight- Polonius trying to convince Claudius and Gertrude that Hamlet’s not mad, he’s just in love with Ophelia
So basically, Antigone is like Cordelia from King Lear but cooler
OK so Hamlet takes place sometime in the 1100s, and we know canonly that Horatio/ horatio’s family were either middle class, lower middle class, or lower class. We also know that Horatio knows Hamlet from university. BUT WAIT I HAVE SO MANY QUESTIONS.
If Horatio was lower class, how did he afford university, especially in the 1100s (Im pretty sure the class divide was pretty big then? Idk).
How did Horatio end up going to the same university as THE PRINCE OF DENMARK??
Here are my possible answers, please please help me figure this out:
1- Horatio’s REALLY smart and got in on some scholarship
2- Horatio somehow met and became friends with Hamlet pre- university, and he got in because Hamlet was like “look, you’re smart, you’re my friend, I don’t care that you can’t afford university, I’m paying for you and you’re coming with me”
3-Horatio actually IS upper class, but compared to Hamlet, the literal PRINCE of Denmark, he’s not.
4- Hamlet went to a regular/ not fancy upper class university for some reason (probably to get away from all the politics and obnoxious people that would probably be found in upper class universities)
THAT’S IT THOSE ARE THE THEORIES. PLEASE LET ME KNOW WHICH ONES SOUND THE MOST LEGIT.
UPDATE: gonna tag the hamlet experts of tumblr because I need some experts’ opinions: @princesshamlet @affectionate-tenders @stripedroseandsketchpads @binary-bird
Ok let’s go through their similarities-
-dead parent
-living parent remarries too quickly
-can see and talk to ghosts
-conversation with ghost/spirit thing leads to very bad decisions being made
someone gets stabbed to death
This is the best and most valid ((and only, tbh)) addition to this post
Ok let’s go through their similarities-
-dead parent
-living parent remarries too quickly
-can see and talk to ghosts
-conversation with ghost/spirit thing leads to very bad decisions being made
someone gets stabbed to death
This is the best and most valid ((and only, tbh)) addition to this post
Would I be stretching the comparison a bit with the whole misunderstandings cause critical plot points thing…
and also suicide????
Very Cool, I Approve.
(If you know of any more similarities, feel free to add them on!)
Ok let’s go through their similarities-
-dead parent
-living parent remarries too quickly
-can see and talk to ghosts
-conversation with ghost/spirit thing leads to very bad decisions being made
someone gets stabbed to death
This is the best and most valid ((and only, tbh)) addition to this post
Does that make Veronica from Heathers a modern day more sympathetic version of Macbeth
OH YOU’RE RIGHT
(Can I just say. This was saved in drafts for WEEKS and I completely forgot that I never posted it)
The question is.. what color is everyone playing as?
AND HERE IS THE ANSWER-
Black- Hamlet- no explanation needed
White- Hamlet Sr.- ghosts are normally depicted as white so..
Dark Blue- Claudius- See @horationalize’s addition to the AU
Cyan- Polonius- Also see @horationalize’s addition
Lime- Ophelia- everyone associates her with the plant scene, nature is green
Red- Laertes- he spends most of the play being angry
Brown- Horatio- brown seems like a sensible color, Horatio seems like a sensible guy
Dark green- Rosencrantz- See orange’s reason
Orange- Guildenstern- I feel like this color combo suits them
Pink- Gertrude- seems like her type
Purple- Fortinbras- it’s a regal color
Yellow- Osric- because there’s no one else left