see there’s one specific reading of hamlet that I need and adore, and am always looking for in any production
when hamlet’s calling the ghost. by the line “I’ll call thee Hamlet, King, father, royal Dane” (usually the “royal dane” part is cut from productions)– I need each title to be said with increasing uncertainty and desparation
“I’ll call thee Hamlet!”
“King!”
“…father?”
and when ‘father’ is said with infinite softness.
and 'father’ is said with yearning and longing and grieving.
and hamlet is reaching out to his father, who is standing right in front of him and won’t respond.
anyway hot take but Lacy by Olivia Rodrigo is a Helena Midsummer Nights Dream song. about Hermia.
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Edmund and Hamlet ahhhhh
see they tend to both be guilty of the same stuff. love forging letters that get people killed. love getting into duels that get themselves killed. have messy relationships with those around them. people who are trying to defend them get poisoned. their primary adversaries are blood relatives. they’re both into performing and acting. Enjoy lying and bluffing so much.
What do you think Edmund was doing pre-play? It isn't really specified.
other than the 9 years abroad?
jk I have so many thoughts. SO many.
so the only canonical thing we know about his life pre-play is that “he hath been out nine years (and away he shall again).” Of course we gotta keep in mind that this is said by gloucester, and he’s not exactly the most reliable narrator when it comes to his sons.
so we’ve got some options
1- it’s exactly gloucester says– Edmund moved out and was abroad, and returned for whatever Lear’s got going on here. (the most boring option)
2- depending on Edmund’s age, it could just be. school. like you could totally dorm for nine years. you go dorm at the start of high school, take a gap year, and then continue with four years of college.
(I’m sure none of this is historically accurate to how education worked back then we can overlook that :))
3- gloucester could just. straight up not know what he’s talking about. I picture Edmund mainly keeping to himself in the gloucester household, and it would be hilarious if gloucester was just like “hmmm I haven’t seen him around in a while… I guess he’s been abroad or something 🤷♂️” (funniest option but unlikely)
4- a combination of the previous ones– Edmund was away, but not for nine years straight. I have so many headcanons. that he does assorted work for the gloucester household. so at some point he was like “I’m moving out, surely you’ll all be fine without the work I do here?”
and gloucester was like “of course.” but quickly realizes how much edmund does to hold his household together. so he calls him back every six months like “hey edmund just one little favor. just come back for two weeks. then you could go back to whatever you do.”
5- edmund was never gone, gloucester just doesn’t want to have to account for an illegitimate child on a constant basis, so when he actually does introduce edmund to someone, he tells them that edmund isn’t usually around– as a sort of precaution against them asking where he is in front of people who don’t know he exists.
basically. choose how sad and/or funny you want those mysterious 9 years to be
“I’m no less in blood than thou art, Edmund”
YES!! good job edgar,, I’m so proud of you for supporting equality :)
“…if more, the more thou hast wronged me”
NO!! cmon edgar I believed in you. for a second I thought you viewed edmund as an equal. >:(
Do you reckon edmund feels any affection for either of the sisters?
I think this depends on two factors– 1) how does Edmund view himself, and 2) how fast was everything going down in King Lear
Edmund likes to talk very pridefully, but we’ve also got “yet Edmund was beloved” – something that comes off as almost surprised that he was loved. It seems to only occurs to him as he’s dying just how real the Lear sisters’ affection for him was.
for the majority of the play he’s stuck in tunnel vision, solely focused on destroying the Gloucester household and getting the Earldom. Given the timeline, if it all happened as quickly as it feels like– then he goes from being at the very outskirts of what could be considered nobility and someone who’s constantly degraded by those around him, straight to being the Earl.
Psychologically, I don’t think it even caught up with him that the king’s daughters could be potential dating options for him. As much as they blatantly flirt with him, it’s standard enough for nobility to have affairs (and Edmund would know that better than anyone–). So being considered an equal worthy of a real relationship with them is a fact that would take more time to sink in.
in short– I don’t think he considered either of them as potential dating partners until either when he was dying or sometime earlier in that scene.
and either way, the change in his own social status would have been a massive paradigm shift for him.
I do believe that he could have developed feelings for either of them, but I don’t think enough time passed over the course of the play for that to happen yet.
You asked for Edmund asks and I'm here to deliver. Sorry if this really surface level or straight up wrong, I am but a normie when it comes to enjoying Shakespeare. So there's before the scene where Gloucester gets blinded, Edmund is sent away by Cornwall and it felt like a missed opportunity to make him prove his loyalty. Eventually, I assumed Cornwall didn't want him backpedaling and that got me wondering, would he? I mean, would it have changed anything if Edmund was in the room or tasked with blinding Gloucester? On one hand, Gloucester's situation is of Edmund's own design, it's not like he doesn't know how serious treason is. On the other hand, he may not like or respect him much but he still craves his approval and it makes me wonder what would change if he was holding the blade.
oh this is interesting
in short, I think bringing Edmund along for Gloucester’s interrogation would be counterproductive on many levels.
For the most surface level explanation, at this point Gloucester didn’t know that Edmund betrayed him. He still believes Edmund is a good and loyal son. If there’s any chance of him surviving the interrogation and getting away (as he does), you would want to have someone who he trusts to keep him under control.
standard ‘playing politics’ move.
During the interrogation – Regan, after Cornwall is stabbed and Gloucester’s eyes are out, reveals that Edmund has betrayed him. It doesn’t seem like this was part of the original plan, and this ultimately ends up costing Edmund his life.
On the topic of Cornwall potentially needing Edmund to prove his loyalty– the only thing being involved in Gloucester’s torture would prove is that Edmund hates Gloucester. Which he already knows, as he heavily implies he’s aware that Edmund’s intentionally destroying the Gloucester noble lineage to become earl. And he thinks that that’s very cool of him :)
On top of all that, dragging Edmund into the interrogation is not the role he want to play here. Whatever he’s got going on here– “thou shalt find a dearer father in my love” – again, this is another political move. He recognizes what Edmund is capable of, and most likely wants to use this new connection he has to him. Edmund turned to him to denounce Gloucester as a traitor, and Cornwall wants to play the role of Edmund’s 'savior’ who removes this 'awful evil traitor’ Edmund was 'brave enough’ to denounce.
Him sending Edmund away before the torture could be a way of saying 'don’t worry, I’ve got this covered from here.’ He’s choosing to actively take a part in Edmund’s ascent to the Earldom, proving allegiance to the brand new earl of gloucester.
in short. the torture functions more as Cornwall proving his loyalty to Edmund’s cause than any potential loyalty test for Edmund.
and of course imma shout out @suits-of-woe’s Cornwall analysis posts– he understands Cornwall on a level deeper than I could ever hope to, and I feel like reading his Cornwall Analysis Saga should be required text for anyone playing Cornwall