About your anti-Martin-in-Season-5 post: I understand your position and I get how he seems like a different person to you, but keep in mind that they are both in a supremely difficult situation (and I know that other TMA situations have been stressful but this is the end of the world we’re talking about) and Martin has to deal with the fact that Jon is the one that caused it. And I’m not saying that’s healthy or good for their relationship, but we haven’t really seen Martin in that kind of situation before season 5. It makes sense that he’s a bit shitty about it (and less kind than in season 1, when relatively little had gone tits-up for him yet). PLUS he’s been forcibly attached to Jon at the hip for months now, which is a strain to put on any new relationship, especially when there’s all the preexisting issues to contend with, Martin hasn’t exactly been able to be alone with his thoughts about Jon starting the whole apocalypse. So yeah, he’s a bit spiteful and mean to Jon

Also re: the Upton house and Salesa, here Martin is INCREDIBLY relieved at being able to find somewhere he can feel human (eating, sleeping) again (at this point he still thinks of himself as human, I don’t think he knows about his Domain and if he does, it’s certainly not in any detail). So that’s almost definitely colouring his perception of Salesa and Annabelle, especially since he’s meeting Salesa for the first time and he’s being very charming (and saying the first uncomplicatedly nice thing Martin has heard in a very long time, and Annabelle’s not there to counteract that). I don’t have a good explanation for why Martin laughs at Jon when he’s so vulnerable, but I will say that he’s probably not unhappy to be away from Jon’s statements (he REALLY REALLY doesn’t like them and has probably heard more than his fair share), so that’s definitely a factor. And he’s relieved! Upton house was a (brief, but he didn’t really think about that yet) respite from the literal apocalypse happening outside

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So personally I actually don’t agree with a lot of this. Yes Martin is in a difficult position ins season 5 - they all are - but it’s not Jon who caused the situation. It’s Jonah. Jon was an unwitting victim. Martin blaming Jon is frankly horrible. But what bothers me much more is that the narrative presents Martin as being in the right, to the point that many fans started echoing that sentiment, even though it makes no sense and we are explicitly shown in canon that Jon is as much a victim as anyone else.

It’s a horror story so Jon’s relationship with Martin being destroyed or turning sour and downright abusive as it does isn’t necessary a problem. Bad stuff happens in horror all the time. What I don’t like is that the abuse is framed as ok.

And I also do feel it’s ooc. Martin has been in plenty of stressful situations before. But he never once engaged in the type of behavior he engaged in in S5 or even tolerated other people treating Jon that way. Even in the first arc of S5 Martin doesn’t treat Jon that way or victim blame him. It’s starting in the second arc, when the writing takes a dive, that Martin’s character and behavior also changes.

Upton House being a “respite” from the apocalypse doesn’t really make sense. There’s no in character reason for them to trust anything that’s going on there or for them to feel relaxed. And Jon suffers horribly there but Martin doesn’t care. Which again is ooc.

Also btw I hated the way Martin treated Jon’s loss of autonomy due to having been made an Avatar against his will, and his dependence on statements which again Jon feels great distress over as an annoyance that he can mock Jon over. That’s a horrible way to treat your partner. And again feels very ooc. and what’s even more jarring tho is how this horrible treatment is presented as tho it’s cute and fluffy and reasonable when it’s not.

But yeah these are just some quick disorganized thoughts. I went into much more detail about why I think Martin is wildly ooc in arcs 2 and 3 of S5 here