If you like martin the first time you listened, when did you start hating his character? Did the fandom mischaracterization have an impact? I personally like Martin, but I’m curious about your interpretation of his character. I’ve scrolled through some of your blog and you frequently respond to asks, but I haven’t seen what your own analysis of his character.
honestly no the fandom wasn’t really my biggest gripe with him or any kinda tipping point or whatever. i just sorta found a couple anti martin posts (at the time there were like 5 but there were still some bangers 🔥🔥) and i was like wait a sec like this makes sense…. mainly tho i think i just didn’t like him after growing up from being the kinda person who kins him because like he just reminded me of myself at like my lowest and most annoying. but anyway yes so grateful to the martin haters who came before me and im glad i could further the idea a little 🐗🐗
and then like i relistened to (one of?) the episode (s?) where he hits john and like it felt like i had some like legitimate reason and evidence towards him being a character that i dislike, but ill be the first to admit i was already biased against him at that point
Martin isnt a cute uwu baby martin isnt an overprotective murderous righteous vigilante martin isnt a master manipulator who manipulated both everyone in the show and the audience. He's just mean as hell. And dumb (worst combo ever?)
I had to listen to him being a hypocrite AND an asshole for a season straight. Pleease if i wanted to hear something like that i would just talk to my dad
literally omg like it feels like people want to give his character the most like insane liberties and really twist canon in order to defend him and it’s like ?? he’s not real? like why are we making things up here to defend this fictional man
personally, i would kill martin myself if it meant i could read the missing part of trevor's statement. vampire killer is my all time favorite ep and i absolutely adore trevor and julia i would kill for a scrap of content from them
yknow what good for you like i pretty much completely forgot about those guys but like hell yeah glad to see some love for the rando characters. i was genuinely so confused throughout s3 (i don’t think i realised he’d even left the institute at any point) so i missed a lot and also I’d accidentally skipped julia’s s1 statement on my first listen so i didn’t even have that context but so happy for you having more obscure favs 🙏
wait what is your opinion on jon x tim. do you mind them in any way shape or form
i mean i don’t really like shipping in the podcast and especially not with john (not that i think aro!john or anything i just don’t like him in relationships) and im not sure how shipping became such an incredibly prevalent part of this horror podcast but like i mean it’s not as bad as jmart at least 🙏
A lot of people in tma fandom purposely exclude the female characters in favour of the (gay) men and this is obviously a bad thing. However that also means there are takes like "if you dislike georgie/melanie/basira youre misogynistic" and they are infuriating. No i actually think the surviving trio sucked ass.
Maybe melanie and basira were bearable cause while their awful behaviour is annoying i can see where theyre coming from. But i cannot bring myself to like georgie i dont know what yall see in her. Not even in that "georgie is jons horrible ex" way i really dgaf about their relationship. But why did she come to him afterwards just to talk about how great her relationship with melanie is while simultaneously rubbing it in his face about how unworthy of care he is. I dont think shes boundary queen i think she is a bit rude at times
adding onto this like it was so incredibly awful seeing john coming out of a coma and having the worst time of his life ever and having every single character be incredibly unnecessarily rude to him omg. like i don’t even think that john’s like the best person or incredible to be in any (platonic/romantic) relationship with but like there was just such an insane lack of empathy for him by any of the other characters that it was like just so depressing at times i swear. like obviously they’re all going through their own stuff and they’re all like flawed characters deliberately but that doesn’t mean i have to like them and like someone give my guy john a break for once in his life. everyone treated him so awfully like it’s no wonder he just accepted the way martin acted towards him by the end. i completely understand jonelias shippers because like even if i don’t like shipping personally and i don’t like shipping john with anyone like at least their dynamic is interesting and jonah at least has like some degree of (even kinda potentially fake) understanding or empathy for him. like if i was john i’d be jumping at that chance so he’s a stronger man than me ((shout out my jonelias mutuals/fans y'all are my biggest allies out here))
Genuine question, why do you care so much? You expressed how you dont like the podcast as a whole so i just dont get why you would make a whole acc centered around hating one of the characters? Like why not just block the tags :/
i do also block the tags but mainly i do this because i don’t like thinking up usernames and this one was easy and i love the attention and i like how it’s made me mutuals that will see my art when i post it 😇😇 and because im evil and i enjoy this and because im allowed to because people can’t stop me
What do you think of Gertrude Robinson? Just curious.
rip diva gone to soon at least she knew how to get shit done. makes me sad to think abt all she did and all the sacrifices (michael) just for it to be completely futile because obviously the rituals would never have worked anyway. but still she had no real way of knowing that and even if she did i reckon she wouldn’t have wanted to put that theory to the test so can’t truly fault her. shout out to her still tho. she would’ve made a great ex-goth for gerry to steal clothes from tho.
Nah I’m still martinblackwoodhater’s biggest fan. It’s just that my old profile picture was an edited version of his pfp, and now that he’s changed his I saw no point in keeping mine
that’s all well and good but why are you martin blackwood now
I’m confused you’re chill with Gertrude dismembering and sacrificing people, Jon preforming unconsentual surgery, and all this other stuff but MARTIN is going too far?? I mean weird hill to die on imo 🤷😭
like everyone else gets the “well it’s a horror show they can be a bit messed up as a treat” treatment and Martin is held to the standard of like a real person? eh you do you but that’s a bit silly
also saying 172 wasn’t a stressful situation when it’s literally the apocalypse is wildddd
Martin’s so fucking boring is the problem and all his fans are the most annoying people in the world is the other problem.
like gertrude made decisions and stuck to them and some of them were very difficult decisions and some are ones that we can recognise as an audience that she shouldn’t have done, but that’s what makes her a more interesting character and also like i just think she’s cool because yeah she IS cool. and i mean yeah jon’s little surgery on melanie was probably a low point and i agree that she should’ve had more control in that situation but he’s still got completely understandable motives to his flaws and that’s understood by the fandom and he’s interesting enough and i just like him and also like literally everyone hates him at that point in his life if i made a hate account for him id just be piling on to that poor man and he’s been through enough tbh.
which is to say that, no, while im not particularly on the side of the individual actions listed there, like i appreciate their characters and the larger picture and the reason they may have acted the way they did. with martin, however, it’s just his character to the core that pisses me off and the weird just like everything he does and especially how he’s been somehow projected onto enough by the fandom that they’ve managed to competely turn him into something entirely different just so they can kin him more comfortably.
and my point about 172 was that it wasn’t a stressful enough situation or environment to justify his actions because he was in absolutely no need to rush anything (no concept of time because apocalypse!) and therefore he very clearly was not panicked and was instead acting rationally and in a way that he justified to himself when he hit john, meaning that it was an action that i don’t consider redeemable in what’s supposed to be a portrayal of a semi-healthy relationship (as in it’s meant to be like “good/positive relationship between the individuals despite the situation” kinda thing rather than directly a portrayal of a more toxic relationship between john and martin directly). like yes, the apocalypse is stressful, (tho martin has it better than lowkey anyone else in the world rn), but by this point he’s had time to be thinking rationally when he was physically hitting his boyfriend, and there was nothing in the situation that would indicate higher stress than normal or would really justify his actions to me (yes, i appreciate the whole Web thing but what im saying is he had time to think, and he thought, and he still hit jon when there was no real reason to).
i just don’t see this as the absurd take you’re making it out to be when i can’t see martin as likable enough for this glazing in the first place - like he’s mean to everybody, especially jon by the end, and he just doesn’t come across as likable to anyone except the people that want to relate to him (because they’ve got like issues with their mother and like get lonely sometimes or whatever) or people that think him being needlessly mean is a like crazy character change to be all like badass and cool or whatever. like he’s literally just mean when there’s no reason to be, and just because he’s in a bad situation doesn’t mean i have to like him, because we never really see him as anything except whiney or mean
Nah I’m still martinblackwoodhater’s biggest fan. It’s just that my old profile picture was an edited version of his pfp, and now that he’s changed his I saw no point in keeping mine
that’s all well and good but why are you martin blackwood now
Uhm akshually ☝️🤓 not every chubby guy is martin blackwood plss
looks like every fanon martin out there who is that
Why is it that every time you get bored you decide to go through my posts and latch onto the most unimportant detail. Your inbox is FULL surely you can entertain yourself in some way other than at my expense
i found your blog in the tag This Morning and i was like "i dont get it." i listened to half of season 5 for the first time today and i fucking get it. lmao
crazy because i got into tma because of my real life conversations with my real life sister and unfortunately i also talk about this blog with my real life friends 💔
i do feel like it would be weirder for me as a teenager in 2025 to not have some form of social media presence that i update like maybe once a week tho
Do you have any other cool and evil hobbies besides running this blog. Other than the emo seat band
unfortunately not really other than the art i post. i mean like i read books and i walk my dog but im not counting either of those things as hobbies. in the middle of my gcse month so im busy 💔💔
with all the love in my heart what are you doing here and how did you get here
I DONT KNOW THATS THE POINT OF THE QUESTION.
hes a fake character from a podcast and i don’t like him because he’s annoying and he hits his boyfriend a couple times (but like not in a way that’s written to be toxic or interesting he’s really boring and infuriating about it) but how did you find this martin-centered blog if you don’t know martin and why
I just saw someone like, imply compare Martin to Carlos from wtnv and absolutely the fuck not. Carlos is 1000 the man Martin ever will be because he's not a bitch and boring. Carlos is an actually caring husband and father, something Martin could never be.
(This became way more about Carlos but I needed to share this with someone)
it’s so funny just how much fans have to like mutilate martins character just to make him like actually likeable omg carlos would NEVER do any of the shit martin does free that poor man ✊
I started following as a bit cuz I had no opinion on Martin (was low-key surprised that the fandom was so obsessed with JonMartin cuz it didn’t really seem like a big thing when I listened to it) but like yeah, compelling arguments, I’ll board the Martin hate train
If I murder martin can I get infinite michael shelleys to sacrifice to stop a ritual that wouldn't work anyway in order to make the michael fans go through the 5 stages of grief again when the events of episode 101 unfold once more with each new michael who trusts gertrude and ventures into the distortion only to become it again, forcing an identity upon a door
right now it’s this individual pen. it’s awful and i have better ones but it’s the one ive done most of my exams with so far (it keeps breaking in the middle of them tho and then i have to stop to fix it </3)
right now it’s this individual pen. it’s awful and i have better ones but it’s the one ive done most of my exams with so far (it keeps breaking in the middle of them tho and then i have to stop to fix it </3)
Duuude you have to do a pen swatch. Show me how this bad boy writes
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it broke again while i was doing this. awful utensil.
right now it’s this individual pen. it’s awful and i have better ones but it’s the one ive done most of my exams with so far (it keeps breaking in the middle of them tho and then i have to stop to fix it </3)
Wait show off the letter ruler thingy
weird like stencil thing that came with the protractor + compass i needed for my maths exam 🤷♂️🤷♂️ they’re pretty common round here for that reason even if no-one ever really wants them
right now it’s this individual pen. it’s awful and i have better ones but it’s the one ive done most of my exams with so far (it keeps breaking in the middle of them tho and then i have to stop to fix it </3)
Duuude you have to do a pen swatch. Show me how this bad boy writes
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it broke again while i was doing this. awful utensil.
Woah…. a drawing in memory of my long tail… how wonderful
i can be serious if you want. what do you want me to be serious about i can do it on command
Show me your art i want you to be serious about your art. Martin be damned show me like a sketch or something
never posted this one (not relevant 2 my blog) but i did it for a drama coursework thing (switched to performing tho eventually so this never came to anything 💔)
Oh my god i just saw the ask you sent to mister hater and
WHAT? WHAT? WHAT?
This is crazy. Absolutely crazy. Martin said word-for-word "Let's go full Kill Bill! You know, get our murder on!" And then he just straight up backtracked his apology?? How in the world did I miss it?
Obviously Jon said that to him because he feels guilty. Hell, he felt guilty about the whole smiting thing from the start. He didn't realize he could kill avatars, he didn't mean to do it. He just wanted to hurt the NotThem because it hurt him. He was ashamed of it after it was done.
And then Martin encouraged him to do it, and straight up pointed at the avatars he wanted dead and got mad when Jon wasn't okay with killing people. As long as Martin felt good with it, the killing was a good and morally correct thing, but then he got a bit upset and bam! All Jon's fault!No, Jon, you can't expect me to make a decision whether or not to kill Jude Perry, because I don't hold any personal grudges against her and it's your hand that got burnt, so it's your choice to make. By the way, can you kill Simon Fairchild for me? He threatened to throw me off a rollercoaster once.
Jon can't control his monstrous urges obviously, and he needs to be put in his place before he starts killing people like the other Big Evil Monsters, because he's one of them!
I want someone to hurt Martin for real. Maybe then he would gain an ounce of sympathy for his boyfriend whom he supposedly loves. This is wilddd I'm so mad rn
one HUGE theme that I have found consistent in martin’s character throughout s5 so far is that he’s selfish, and loves not being held accountable for his actions. He uses jon like a tool to deal with his own personal grudges and is constantly egging him on and supporting him in a choice that wasn’t even his own, but when jon wants to smite someone for his OWN reasons, it’s suddenly “oh, you’re pushing this onto me! I can’t make this choice for you! making me choose is unfair!” despite his weird need to be up to date with and in constant control of all of jon’s choices.
^^ I mentioned this scene in my rant and I think it’s one of the first times we are shown outright how involved martin thinks he deserves to be in his boyfriend’s decisions and inner turmoil (also mentioned this before, but this toxic level of involvement that he seeks is so reminiscent of a mistrustful and paranoid gf looking through your phone and checking all your messages and history - the fact that he’s canonically super prone to jealousy is NOT helping this)
he feels the need and right to have a say in everything jon does, but as soon as Jon asks for his input or help with a decision he has to make, “that’s not fair”.
also yes, martin sees only in black and white; which is not ideal when your boyfriend happens to have triggered the apocalypse and is very much morally grey (against his best wishes). He keeps mentioning that all avatars are inherently Bad and deserve to die, not even once considering how Jon might internalize this in regards to his own self-image, or stopping to ask himself whether that’s really the case, or if his own over-simplification of the world he finds himself in is an attempt to cope with the fact that no, “good” and “bad” don’t exist anymore, and trying to force different concepts into those boxes will only result in a warped and inaccurate interpretation of your world.
but yes it’s wild I actually hate him sm idk how people can ship them in s5 they’re so obviously toxic and not good for eachother? how are you looking past that?
And the thing is jon can’t even acknowledge or process this properly because he is relying on martin so heavily, to be his anchor, to be his reason; he’s stuck in a constant spiral of guilt and blaming himself for everything so he doesn’t think he deserves anything, really, so martin tolerating him and wanting to be near him more than he is repulsed by him is such a relief. I’m so pissed about this. Jon deserves so much better
