I feel like most tma listeners that ship jmart fundamentally misunderstand their relationship, especially in season 5, or maybe not entirely misunderstand it rather than oversimplify it to the point of it becoming a caricature.

Its like those chatacter A character B tropes, where everything is just surface level, and the characters involved are reduced to one-dimensional distortions of who they originally were.

I mean, they tend to see it as "spooky-but-soft monster-boyfriend" Jon, and "big-protective-revenge-seeker, mr. Killing Spree" Martin. And they entirely miss the aspect of Martin being uncomfortable with Jon's need to make statements. He is surrounded by horror from all sides and yet he cannot stomach hearing his boyfriend talk about it for a little while. I understand that it is no easy task, having the terrible experiences of tortured people hammered into your skull repeatedly, but he could've at least TRIED to show some more support, ESPECIALLY since he knows firsthand what it's like to be alone when you're hoing through a difficult time.

And in the end, when he stabbed Jon with the knife, I am sure that somewhere deep down he thought that Jon deserved to die.

I don't have a problem with people liking Martin. You can enjoy whoever you want, but in my experience most Martin fans just look at him being shy and having a crush and writing shitty poetry and go "omg thats literally me!!!!1!1!" and then they don't even bother to try and think of him as a whole, separate character, rather than just an extension of themself and someone they can project onto.

i don’t listen to the main plot but yes xoxo you are so real xoxo !!!