I’m confused you’re chill with Gertrude dismembering and sacrificing people, Jon preforming unconsentual surgery, and all this other stuff but MARTIN is going too far?? I mean weird hill to die on imo 🤷😭

like everyone else gets the “well it’s a horror show they can be a bit messed up as a treat” treatment and Martin is held to the standard of like a real person?
eh you do you but that’s a bit silly

also saying 172 wasn’t a stressful situation when it’s literally the apocalypse is wildddd

Martin’s so fucking boring is the problem and all his fans are the most annoying people in the world is the other problem.

like gertrude made decisions and stuck to them and some of them were very difficult decisions and some are ones that we can recognise as an audience that she shouldn’t have done, but that’s what makes her a more interesting character and also like i just think she’s cool because yeah she IS cool. and i mean yeah jon’s little surgery on melanie was probably a low point and i agree that she should’ve had more control in that situation but he’s still got completely understandable motives to his flaws and that’s understood by the fandom and he’s interesting enough and i just like him and also like literally everyone hates him at that point in his life if i made a hate account for him id just be piling on to that poor man and he’s been through enough tbh.

which is to say that, no, while im not particularly on the side of the individual actions listed there, like i appreciate their characters and the larger picture and the reason they may have acted the way they did. with martin, however, it’s just his character to the core that pisses me off and the weird just like everything he does and especially how he’s been somehow projected onto enough by the fandom that they’ve managed to competely turn him into something entirely different just so they can kin him more comfortably.

and my point about 172 was that it wasn’t a stressful enough situation or environment to justify his actions because he was in absolutely no need to rush anything (no concept of time because apocalypse!) and therefore he very clearly was not panicked and was instead acting rationally and in a way that he justified to himself when he hit john, meaning that it was an action that i don’t consider redeemable in what’s supposed to be a portrayal of a semi-healthy relationship (as in it’s meant to be like “good/positive relationship between the individuals despite the situation” kinda thing rather than directly a portrayal of a more toxic relationship between john and martin directly). like yes, the apocalypse is stressful, (tho martin has it better than lowkey anyone else in the world rn), but by this point he’s had time to be thinking rationally when he was physically hitting his boyfriend, and there was nothing in the situation that would indicate higher stress than normal or would really justify his actions to me (yes, i appreciate the whole Web thing but what im saying is he had time to think, and he thought, and he still hit jon when there was no real reason to).

i just don’t see this as the absurd take you’re making it out to be when i can’t see martin as likable enough for this glazing in the first place - like he’s mean to everybody, especially jon by the end, and he just doesn’t come across as likable to anyone except the people that want to relate to him (because they’ve got like issues with their mother and like get lonely sometimes or whatever) or people that think him being needlessly mean is a like crazy character change to be all like badass and cool or whatever. like he’s literally just mean when there’s no reason to be, and just because he’s in a bad situation doesn’t mean i have to like him, because we never really see him as anything except whiney or mean