it does make me giggle somewhat how flimsy the excuse for things being recorded by the tape recorders is. like why does The Web want to hear these fuckers playing eye-spy so much it’s the eltrich embodiment of manipulation does it not have more important things to worry about. its just so blatantly for the fans that i can’t help but giggle a little
levaagrace:
levaagrace:
WHO THE FUCK SAID MELANIE NEED TO BE SYMPATHETIC TO JON? WHERE? CAUSE I SURE AS FUCK DIDN’T HEAR IT. AND TELL ME WHY SHE’S ACTING LIKE IT’S HIS FAULT SHE’S HAD A ROUGH TIME OF IT WHEN SHEEEEEE WAS THE ONE WHO CHOSE TO GO TO THE INSTITUTE TO GIVE HER STATEMENT???
THREE
FUCKING
TIMES
????
I HATE THIS I HATE THIS FUCKING STUPID PODCAST AND ITS BULLSHIT NONSENSICAL CHARACTER MOMENTS THAT HAVE NO BEARING IN REALITYYYYYYYYY
You know what. I’m coming back to this. Cause seriously.
There’s one thing I viscerally dislike about TMA that has nothing to do with the characters or plot holes and that’s how so much of it is left outside the fucking podcast.
There are so many illusions to moments we don’t see that supposedly inform actions and reactions that pisses me off cause I’m sorry but I just cannot buy it. Especially when these moments are directly contradicted BY THOSE ACTIONS AND REACTIONS.
So I’m sure we’re supposed to infer that Daisy or Basira at some point in season four asked her to be sympathetic to him (do you think she’d be around Georgie if Georgie asked her to be? do you think Melanie ever saw Martin once in season four? no. don’t be absurd). But I can only see Basira ever saying that ONCE. During the time frame between him BEING STABBED by Melanie and the nonconsentual surgery he performed at Basira’s behest. And by the time Daisy came back, I don’t see why Daisy would even bring it up to Melanie, cause Melanie had already begun to be ‘civil’ towards him at that point. But if Daisy had just cause, it wouldn’t have been more than once either. But who knows. Maybe twice is more than enough.
No. At this point. I’m going to assume this is a direct reference to the fandom at large. That this is the writers agreeing with the fandom that any act against Jon by the people in his life is righteous and just and needs no explanation. Jon existing as a whole around actual humans is justification enough.
Why U hate Mahtin? Just curious, BC everyone has their own things they like & dislike 👍
(Also live Jon reaction BC why not)
been a while since ive answered one of these so i guess we could do a little refresher ok 😸😸
my most justified reason is the instances where he physically hits john ((mainly 172 because that’s the one i remember best)) - it just felt unnecessary in the writing and seemed to me like a really weird response from a character that’s supposedly in a mostly healthy relationship?
He in no way NEEDS to hit john, as im pretty sure that just shaking him gently or even just like snapping his fingers over his face or something less abusive could’ve quite easily worked, or could’ve at least been explored or tested as a possibility, especially as they genuinely were not in a high-stress scenario in this moment, and there were no real time constraints,
he literally just went “sorry😬 you were starting another [statement] and i didn’t want to wait”, which i don’t really take to be a genuine apology with the casual annoyed tone he said it in if you listen to the episode ((feel free to to form your own opinion tho i just feel like my interpretations pretty valid here)) - he said it like he’d already assumed he was completely justified, and more just adding the little “sorry! 😜” just to be a little more polite, rather than because he’s genuinely apologetic for unnecessarily hitting his boyfriend.
And, while i don’t like to speculate or make points based on things that don’t have true canon evidence, the way it’s just brushed over does make it seem like this is a semi regular occurrence?
like john doesn’t seem at all surprised or disturbed in the way that i believe he should be if this was something completely out of character for the relationship. he just gives his soft little “wh-what…?” as he’s clearly so easily startled out of the statement that it just didn’t seem needed for martin to do that at all? and obviously i understand this (his resigned, unreacting reaction) could also be a result of his own like human identity issues and the whole thing that’s happening in the apocalypse ((and i am in no way saying he’s the perfect boyfriend/person either!!)) i just feel like it wouldn’t be completely out of left field to make the connection that this is far from the first time martin has resorted to hitting him, mainly due to the completely unnecessary nature of the event shown and the fact it is largely unaddressed.
((That is, however, largely speculation based so I’d understand if you don’t want to take that point onboard, and i feel like the isolated incidents we do hear are enough to support my point there anyway to be fair.))
(TL/DR: He hits john in a situation that i don’t feel explains or excuses his actions. His reaction too, unapologetic as it is, doesn’t redeem him for me)
i also, even before i had reason to truly justify it, I also just really disliked his character for more petty reasons.
He has that trope i really dislike where they’re clear kinnie bait (self esteem issues, poor/complicated relationship with mother, queer, etc) and therefore what could be genuine flaws and portrayed as so, it also makes it clear in the writing that his flaws are like somewhat delusional so that people who relate to him can have that like comfort by proxy.
This again as a point is largely petty and speculative and just my personal reason why i started disliking him if you were curious, rather than a reason i expect you to agree with.
I also just don’t like how weirdly hypocritical and conflicting his character was in s5, and this isn’t me misinterpreting the writing, because obviously i appreciate when a character is deliberately misleading or wrong in their opinion or whatever and it fits their character, but with martin it just kinda doesn’t feel like that? he regresses back to such a childish view of the world (monsters bad!! avatars evil!!!!), rather than doing any reflection on his avatar boyfriend, and it doesn’t even feel narratively interesting for me personally like it just makes me kinda frustrated that there’s no real conversation about this or resolution to be found there.
(There’s the whole conversation about “martin manipulated the fandom wowowow🥺🥺” but i just feel like that isn’t really true, rather we got a weird abrupt character change where there wasn’t THAT much of a character to begin with before and this also is me going on a bit of a tangent without truly thinking this idea through so I’ll leave it here but feel free to discard the idea rn)
also i related to him when i was about 12/13 (when i was a real loser) but then i grew up and so early martin reminds me of me when i was about 12 and at my worst but also like he didn’t even have any of the redeeming qualities i had back then and also now ((good at everything, good at art, intelligent, hilarious and funny, nice to be around, humble, transsexual, not blonde, not even ugly, ragebaiter online - just in case you wanted a few examples)) and instead he’s just kinda annoying and whiny? and s5 is, as we’ve already discussed, what i somewhat am i beginning to consider abusive the more i talk about it. also he’s in london and i lowkey hate londoners they ruined south england now everyone thinks im posh
anyway i got off track but if you want any more evidence for any of my points i can try find it and if you want any elaboration you just need to ask!!
