Honestly i feel like martin would be the kind of guy to slap the "depressed" label on himself all the time yet when coming into contact with someone actually struggling with mental illness, not only would he dismiss it, he would somehow make it about him rather than the other person.
(Something along the lines of "Ohh so it's MY fault that i don't 'give you more space'?!")
(This is kind of about his behaviour towards jon in season 5 and his aversion to statements)
preach it my liege you’re right and you know it
Honestly Mr Hater after getting a similiar experience with one of my other fandoms (Lancer RPG)(they also are extremely stupid about one thing) I get you so much
thank you. i will now only be referred to as Mr Hater
The more I interact with you the more you grow on me. Like a fugus. (this is not meant to be negative I swear I swear I like fungi)
it’s ok i love fungi. not in the queer tiktok way i think they’re cool in science (part of being a hater is being a gatekeeper)
as someone who likes Martin somewhat (I'm only on s3 this might change) ur currently one of my favorite blogs rn
why is there appeal for you. cbange your mind. about him
I appreciate this account because I too, do not like Martin Blackwood.
He doesn’t deserve Jon.
real real real. jon deserves better i don’t think he even really wanted him
might be an aro!jon truther…. it’s a tempting prospect…….
what so wrong with Martin? is it a Personal preference or just not liking the character in general?
well he’s a little bitch isn’t he
i hate martin too he’s such a fucking coward and I wanna wring his neck
ok babe i see you 👀
I'm too pussy to talk about this off anon, but your post about martin slapping jon is SO IMPORTANT. I feel like everyone forgets that their relationship is incredibly toxic. I've always found them an interesting perspective on unhealthy relationships fueled by trauma bonding, but a majority of the fandom just sees them as "aww cuties!!" and it feels SO wrong
real real real like guys calm down those bitches are NOT in a happy OR healthy relationship 🙅♂️🙅♂️
Martin keeps trying to fix everything by drowning them all in tea instead of, Idk, talking about the problem he's trying to solve?
And then he doesn't leave someone alone even though that person is toxic af and doesn't even want him there, like they are sending clear signals to just leave them alone and he doesn't. And then he gets hurt because THEY DON'T CARE ABOU HIM and he's like :( who would have expected this...
Like Alex said, he's not grown up at all.
literally like you can just tell he was written in like 2020 when therapyspeak was everywhere. hes got SUCH a victim complex
You know what bothers me even more than Jonmartin? - Jongerrymartin.
Why do you have to destroy the sancity of my favorite ship by putting Martin in there?
I firmly belive that Gerry is watching events go down from the afterlife, where he throws popcorn on the screen an scowls whenever someone (Martin) bothers his friend Jon (who is the only one that has been granted the usage of the nickname Gerry).
Now if you want Jon and Gerry to be in an OT3, then I would suggest Tim. The doomed by the narrative trio. The "we were always going to end up researching the fears because we were touched by them because we saw what they do to people around us" trio. The goth, the nerd, the jock. This way, at least someone in the relationship knows how to flirt or do dating
i don’t like shipping anyone w jon but like… objectively i can appreciate this. and ughhh so true w the first bit, martin just does NOT need to be butting in to everything. leave that bitch in the lonely 🙅♂️
Martin keeps trying to fix everything by drowning them all in tea instead of, Idk, talking about the problem he's trying to solve?
And then he doesn't leave someone alone even though that person is toxic af and doesn't even want him there, like they are sending clear signals to just leave them alone and he doesn't. And then he gets hurt because THEY DON'T CARE ABOU HIM and he's like :( who would have expected this...
Like Alex said, he's not grown up at all.
thepineapplegal86:
martinblackwoodhater:
literally like you can just tell he was written in like 2020 when therapyspeak was everywhere. hes got SUCH a victim complex
THAT’S 👏🏻 THE 👏🏻 POINT 👏🏻
Martín is supposed to have complexes about people needing to like him and have issues with direct problem solving, it’s a narrative tool that’s necessary for the function of the story and the functionality of his plot line
don’t clap at me please I thought we left that in 2018.
also like ive thought about all of what you’re saying but i think it would be better for the ‘plotline’ and for the podcast off he just didn’t exist please. he is never necessary for the “function of the story and functionality of the plotline” because tbh im not sure you even know what those words mean and also like they could’ve easily just kinda written around him. or at least made him a fundamentally different character who wasn’t a little bitch
I like the idea of aro Jon, but I also don't want to fall into the thing of making all ace characters also aro, you know? I want him to be in a happy healthy romantic relationship. With me.
real actually. maybe it’s just that none of the other characters are good enough for him….
why do u dislike martin blackwood? (full permission for a rant or something. im new here and im curious)
i don’t want or need your permission thank you
would you hate martin blackwood less if he had a low taper fade tho 💭
food for thought….
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martin blackwood the type of guy to blow steam out of his ears when he gets really angry
he’s like a freak freak bull man but someone not a hot one
how has this happened. i don’t knowm
You know that blog dedicated to hating you specifically? The url is martinblackwoodhaterhater i think
I find it kinda funny that they made maybe one post in which they comment on your stance on martin blackwood and then they just. Started attacking you. Hating on your art and such
You can tell that they just took your whole blog as a personal attack, and while disagreeing with your opinion, they actually have no arguments to support themselves, so they just throw insults in an attempt to make you feel hurt.
Like a lot of martin fans, they see martin as more of an extension of themselves rather than a complex fictional character, and they angrily defend him instead of stopping and reflecting on why he acts the way he does and why some may dislike him. You can enjoy martin of course!! You can defend him! But it's important to think of him separately from yourself. He is not a "sweet cinammon roll" or anything like that. He cannot be confined to a single stereotype.
omg i knowww 😨
i used to get so many anons threatening to make their little hate accounts of me but i never thought any of them would actually do it omg….
kinda pleased tho tbh makes me feel influencial
martin blackwood is only so majorly liked because the fandom infantilizes him for being fat and gay and talking all cutesy and ignore how frustrating and unlikable he actually is becuz "hehe but he baby adn cute..:(" is this anything
(btw i don't mean fat and gay as an insult i am both those things and the babyifacation of martin pisses me off personally it just feels so icky eugh)
real you’re so right and also it’s especially weird because like… he’s not even canonically fat?? and fanon gets so aggressive about it but it just like isn’t true…?
also you don’t need those disclaimers it’s ok im not gonna assume the worst of you promise
I don't like jonmartin as a ship because of the way the fandom presents them (and deeply mischarachetizes them by the way).
Jon - starved for a human connection, martin loved the version of him before he became a monster - reciprocating those feelings would somehow make him more human in his own eyes
Martin - only the echo of his past feelings remain, he is afraid of the monster jon has become. He's grossed out by Jon's new behaviour - his need to make statements for example
Them sticking together is a desperate attempt at preserving their past selves and their own humanity. Also martin benefits from sticking with jon, because it lets him travel freely and unharmed throughout the fearscape - a good reason to stay with him even when his romantic feelings for the man had long faded.
This is NOT a healthy relationship. This is a trauma bond. They are not "cute gays travelling through the apocalypse together uwu 🥹🥹"
Also, martin quite literally said to jon "i really loved you, you know?" Loved. Past tense. It may not matter as much as i think it does, but i feel like it means something.
truth truth truth you said it !!!
AND you managed to have a more interesting and complex and accurate take on the characters than any of the Jmart fans could ever
Season 1 martin would blame himself for every failed relationship he's ever been in.
Season 5 martin would call every single one of his ex partners a narcissist
yeah and they’re both AWFUL !!
what so wrong with Martin? is it a Personal preference or just not liking the character in general?
candledotwick:
martinblackwoodhater:
well he’s a little bitch isn’t he
is s1 Jonathan Sims writing this or smth
you are genuinely like the 50th person to make this joke and it wasn’t even particularly good the first time
Martin is the type of guy to go for a walk in the forest just to take pictures of himself and post them on social media captioned something like "on my healing journey 💔❤️" "reconnecting with nature #cottagecore #fairycore" and then leave immediately after not even bothering to look at the trees or whatever.
He would also go mushroom picking with literally zero knowledge on the subject and then when the mushrooms he picked and ate made him sick he would think its because he "invoked a fae's wrath" or something and instead of going to the hospital he would throw salt at his doorstep and drink herbal tea to "cleanse his soul"
He'd be a regular customer at Jane Prentiss's witchy shop if she hadn't gotten corrupted
these feel like two very different characterisations but speak your truth babe if it’s hating on martin it’s right in my heart ✊
This blog is so funny omg. I'm personally not a hater but I fully respect it, there's valid reasons for both side (I just like fluffy men) but this has to be one of my favorite blogs now. It is inspiring me...
I'm gonna go to the shitty TMA AU post and suggest an au where he doesn't exist but everything turns out fine instead of going to shit in your name. Martin is the cause of the eyepocalypse confirmed. Not Jonah, it's all Martin's fault.
I appreciate all my fans and i love the support but the words “I just like fluffy men” are enough to discount your opinion in my mind tbh
Why do you hate Martin so much tho?
i am evil and twisted at heart clearly
It's just... I kind of like Martin Blackwood (in a very roundabout way though he's a terrible person and a manipulator and he sucks and I think he's actually abusive but I also think there's something deeply wrong with him and that's kind of sexy actually)
I'm sorry... Meet me by the dead oak under the cloak of night so that we may unite in the holiest of ways. The public has no say in this, secrecy doesn't mean we're any less sacred.
what go away
maybe i am misinterpreting feel free to tell me im wrong but your posts make it seem like ppl in the fandom r harassing u. sorry about that. leave it to "somfy fluffy gay boi" fans to be vile on the internet for no reason. you keep being a hater though <3 Hater world
rah rah hater world ✊✊
I'm nowhere near a hater on the same level as you but I will admit for the first four seasons I found him soooo annoying. I did not get the hype around him when he first showed up, and while Jon is maybe unnecessarily mean to him on professional tapes (like, Jon, dude, this is official record stuff and you look SOOO unprofessional making your beef public) I definitely understood why he was annoyed. Sometimes, insecure characters are actually annoying as hell. I can say this because he is (gasp) fictional.
He got way better once he got more murder-y. Season 5 Martin is best Martin, in that he becomes more than bearable.
ew no he got worst in s5. its like he just couldn’t figure out a character trope and kept half arsing different ones while hating on his boyfriend for just like… being himself?
and so true insecure characters are tbh pretty much always annoying as hell to me. like shut up.
also sorry if it seems stupid to ask that last thing, im just very autistic and cant tell if that's just an asshat or a sideblog for shits and giggles
i answered the other ask this was refering to ages ago but like coming back to this… why did you say this. you didn’t have to justify or whatever, I don’t care. ask me anything and ill ignore it if it makes bad content. why would that be your job
martin hatred support group when
it’s my blog babe. you’re here. i made it
Followed. Your bit is hilarious and your takes are trash. Martin Blackwood on top.
martin blackwood on top (of a bridge)((not for long))
continuing through season 5 Martin just keeps getting worse to the point it’s starting to be detrimental to my enjoyment of my favorite part of the show. He’s just so endlessly whiny. Like shut the fuck up man who cares if Jon kills Simon Fairchild. He’s just incapable of seeing the bigger picture in any capacity and it’s like, grow up. listen to the goddamn statements you fuck.
ill be real with you here he doesn’t get better. worse.
If Martin was a worm would you hate him
maybe if the world was made of pudding
I would say Martin would be more bearable if he went to therapy, but he definitely would refuse to go. He's sort of obsessed with his own sadness to the point where it's just annoying. I understand, I do, I also have mental health struggles and sometimes being low feels safer than being okay, but that's bad and something that needs to be worked through. He wouldn't even say he doesn't need therapy, he knows he does. He's just be like
heh.. yeah. I guess I probably do, I am super messed up.. maybe that's why nobody's ever loved me...
And then he'd go to one session, the therapist would tell him he's the problem, and he'd never go back
you said it ily.
he would NOT be more bearable if he went to therapy tho. he’d be a chronic therapyspeak user and it would be awful 🙅♂️
Are there any characters similar to martin that you also hate? Not necessarily from tma, just in general
Faulkner from TSV. love the podcast and tbf im only on like ep9, but anyone who says they’re “underestimated” will always kinda piss me off just a little bit - he’s the only one like Martin really that I can think off rn.
if matin liked microwaves would you hate microwaves out of principle????
[ @microwavelover-anon ]
no obviously not r u being silly. i do have a life and a purpose beyond this
Martin Blackwood never really changed.
His attitude changed, sure - he went from "everyone I care about hates me so I must deserve it" to "I am terrible but so are these people and since they've been so mean to me I should take revenge, I'm not as weak as they all think". But his way of thinking stays the same throughout the whole series.
What I dislike about Martin and what stays the same even after his "character development" is that despite claiming to be a carer, he consistently fails to consider things from other people's perspective, and his fans overlook that part. I've always felt like his attempts at caring for people (bringing them tea etc) were somewhat clumsy, and that he never actually knew what they even wanted - i think he said so himself when he was in the Lonely that giving people tea when they seemed down was easier than discussing their problems and actually finding out what's wrong. It shows when he just jumps to sacrifice himself when Peter Lukas took over the Instutute - he was so quick to sacrifice himself and give himself away and he didn't even stop to consider that it might be unnecessary, or that there might be another solution, like discussing with his team. His help is less about actually helping and more about punishing himself and not being useless. Since he hates himself, that kind of help is not only "making up for the space he takes up" in his mind, but it's also kind of like self harm.
It also shows in season 5 when he straight up refuses to listen to Jon's explanations of the apocalypse and the statements in general.
Despite being so set on sacrificing himself for others, berating himself, and generally always trying to fix everything for everyone by himself, Martin has only ever considered his own needs.
It actually makes him feel very real as a character, but unfortunately most of the fandom has dumbed him down to two versions - season 1-3 "cutie shy softie boy with a crush on his boss awwww" and season 4-5 "hot sexy man that wants to take revenge on everyone who has ever wronged him and he is so in love with his monster boyfriend uwu❤️❤️ jon and martin are so cute together ❤️ " no they're not. Maybe Martin was fine with Jon before the apocalypse - admittedly i don't remember the safehouse ep all that well, and that seems to be what got everyone to ship them, but after the end of the wold, when they're travelling through the Fearscape together, they are so very not happy and healthy. There are so many problems. And Martin straight up refusing to listen to anything that Jon has to say about the Eyepocalypse is just the cherry on top.
Towards the end of the story, they use each other more as anchors that help them keep the remaining bits of their humanity. They ground each other, true, and they NEED each other, but their relationship is messy and tainted with the feelings of guilt, loss, and blame. They barely communicate their feelings and intentions. They stick together in order to survive, but the only thing bonding them together is shared trauma. They are broken by what they experienced. They actually don't know each other at all, just the idealized, pre-apocalypse versions of eachother. It makes me quite upset that the vast majority of the fans missed that very important aspect of their relationship.
It was literally spelled out for them by Peter Lukas:
So yeah, maybe they are canon in the sense that they were briefly in a "romantic" relationship. But the fanon version is sooo romanticized and warped and twisted and changed and made to fit into one of those neat "workplace-enemies-to-lovers" boxes like tags on ao3.
To sum up: i don't like Martin as a person, but he's written well and realistically as a character. I despise fanon Martin and Jmart. Jmart is canon, but not in the way most people seem to think.
ily xoxo you’re always right this is why you’re my favourite mutual (alongside all my other mutuals. you are all my favourites.)
Inspired by Martin not being canonically fat: AU (well, only AU to most of the fandom characterization) where Martin is a buff guy with an inferiority complex and Tim is the sexy fat guy with all the Charisma that gets everyone he wants because he simply is that charming
yknow what hell yeah I see the vision, and im so incredibly desperate for anything new in fanon anyway
I literally couldn’t give less of a fuck about you hating martin but please stop tagging your hate posts with the main character tag. you’re literally the embodiment of the meme
“omg I hateeeee blorbo bleepus he sucks so much #blorbo bleepus tag that fans of the character go through when they want content of said character”
which sucks so much because you seem like a decent guy otherwise. idk maybe I don’t know what im talking about but have a nice day
I obviously don’t do that on any posts where it’s actual hate towards him, I maintagged on my last post because it just… wasn’t hate. like there was nothing explicitly negative whatsoever about him there. i still used my negative tags because like sometimes people have them blocked because they don’t want to see my posts abt the characters at all. i mean i can take that out of my last post but it’s not something i do when I’m actually posting anything neg about the characters obviously
((pleaseeee don’t vaguepost if like there’s something I actually did wrong like i want to work w u here but I’ve kinda gotta do some guesswork because you’re not complaining about something i consistently do 🙏🙏))
Martin is the type of guy to post black and white pictures of himself with the caption "forever alone💔" "i just want somebody to hold💔💔 is it too much to ask for?" on valentines day
ughhh he so would and then he’d like make fake accounts to share the posts in the hopes people would see it and actually care
im working on a rewrite of sorts for tma because theres a good number of things that bother me about it, and right now im trying to come up with ideas to make martin an actual good and deep character that isnt like the most irritating thing ever you know? im curious if you have any ways youd want to do that? like if you could change him how would you do that?
people keep asking me stuff like this but I just…. I can’t think of any one quick change you could make to redeem him. like you could fundamentally change his character, but then that just wouldn’t be him. just scrap him as a concept. not needed 🙅♂️
make ANOTHER sasha. make them all sasha. one will be right.
Are there any characters similar to martin that you also hate? Not necessarily from tma, just in general
martinblackwoodhaterhater:
martinblackwoodhater:
martinblackwoodhater:
Faulkner from TSV. love the podcast and tbf im only on like ep9, but anyone who says they’re “underestimated” will always kinda piss me off just a little bit - he’s the only one like Martin really that I can think off rn.
ALSO simon cowell. I keep leaving hate comments on his tiktok page.
this is so obviously weird to everyone else, right? That may be a celebrity, but he’s also very much a real person.
…there is just no way you can’t see the irony here 😨
Okokok I'm the Martin Go To Therapy anon and YES you are so right you would tell him he's morally wrong and he'd be like stop gaslighting me.. stop... I have childhood trauma don't gaslight me :(
I guess I was trying to articulate if he went to therapy and could actually learn something useful? But he wouldn't, he'd cycle through therapists until he found someone to tell him he's not doing anything wrong.
and then he’d go back to being a godawful boyfriend 💔💔
i’m not a full time martin hater, i think all the characters are so good because of their flaws… but sometimes i find this blog again… and my inner wolf… it comes out… and it’s a hater…🐺🐺
there are two wolves inside you. let them hate 🐺🐺🐺🐺🐺
The more i look at your blog, the more i start to dislike Martin.
(Tbh i think the reason i liked him in the first place was that long before i even started Tma, i would see Jmart fanart and go "awwhh, they're so sweet together! :)")
that’s so real. jmart’s always more appealing when you’re like 14 and it’s your only real like widespread gay rep
It pisses me off so bad when people say how much they love martin and then turn around and hate on jon. Like babess those are both highly complex, flawed characters that undergo many developments throughout the story and you CANNOT form an opinion on them based solely on vibes plus the three episodes you actually bothered to pay attention to. This isnt heartstopper
but my blorbos 😧😧 but my cute gay blorbos 😢 and one is a scrunkly scrawny twink and the other is a fluffy fat man ☝️☝️ that is all you need to know. and the fat one is baby and he can never hurt anyone of course🥺. except when he does hurt people. but then he’s just cool and badass and sexy 💡💡
as a martin liker I genuinely enjoy your blog. I think he should be bullied a little bit, as a treat. good for the ecosystem
literally me when biodiversity
Can u infodump about why u hate Martin blackwood please I'm so curious lol
Do u hate how he's written or like. Him as a character.
I don’t infodump. at most I evildumb, spreading strife and conflict. that is all.
Awe man just finished 79 and the beef between martin and tim was crazy
literally and it’s like omg could tim get any sexier ??
MAG 170 has got to be your favorite then. Do you skip it when you relisten to tma or do you use it to fuel your rage?
skip. always feel just a little bad for him in that episode so it just demotivates me for a bit and then I’ve got nothing to believe in 💔
he still pisses me off in it tho tbh
all due respect but i’ve blocked you like 3 times how the hell do I keep seeing your blog
🤷♂️🤷♂️ not my problem. hate prevails ig
would you say martin falls under being a mary sue-esque character?
honestly? no, not in the typical way. it’s more that i think he HAS flaws, very clearly, but they’re always painted as endearing and pretty much harmless, even if they are genuine negatives (e.g. his like extreme weird jealousy over jon to the point of where he wants him to like kill ppl being treated as just like a silly quirky little gay love) (e.g. his inability to speak about anything and resorting to passive aggressive comments and ignoring people just being treated as either justified (and sometimes being perceived as the healthiest reaction to the circumstances in the writing just because it doesn’t lead to any direct conflict - though often the direct conflict is necessary)) (e.g. his hitting his boyfriend just… not really being bought up again as it’s difficult to justify that, though if it is it’s sometimes taken as like him ‘standing up for himself finally’ or something)
this is a way to portray his character as sympathisable (through him being self-hating and his awful self esteem or whatever), while not giving him obvious flaws that will actually make him dislikable as a character. this is because in this way, the people can relate to him and take solace in the fact none of their negative qualities are actually particularly negative.
he just does that thing where he has genuine reasons to change, but instead writes them off as his poor self esteem and wallows in that pity, rather than focusing on being just a better person, if that makes sense.
((sorry for going off track here oops!!))
