April 2025

some people called Johnny Sims a traitor bc he said there would never be kissing sounds in the podcast and then the final ep had a kissing sound and that was how I learned jmart kissed because I literally didn’t register it when listening to the ep. Jmart’s irrelevance is unparalleled.

ughhhh literally like why couldn’t they just kinda leave it out and also leave martin out altogether please please

Top 3 things martin could have done besides HITTING JON

1: walked away, has done this in other episodes

2: plug his ears, really not that hard

3: take interest in his boyfriends hobbys

In conclusion what the fuck martin

you’re so right also like even if he NEEDED to wake him up like he could’ve just… shook him a little?? or speak up louder? or just kinda wave a hand in front of his face. like there was just no attempts for ANY other option??

Martin has the gall to paint himself as the victim in s5 when its Jon that got kidnapped, beaten, abused, burned, and assaulted both physically and mentally multiple times throughout the show.

Meanwile he just got depressed and had to work a desk job for a while. Peter Lukas didn't even do that much to him, he isolated himself because of his own decision. That man's hypocrisy has no bounds

you’re kinda so right and i think ill love you forever. like im sorry you had to isolate yourself a little and work an overpaid kinda easy job but like?? id do that too it sounds kinda great sign me up man please please

Martin x Jared solely because Jared is homophobic and it would be so fucking toxic like yes king go bully the boyfriend you don't even like but can't get rid of because he's that much of a curse 🩵

i hate this take

1: jared isn’t homophobic you’re mischaracterizing him ‼️‼️

2: it wouldn’t even be that toxic martin would find a way to still make it boring

3: jared deserves better

4: martin deserves worse

5: i want jared.

6: they just kinda like wouldn’t get together and they definitely wouldn’t stay together because yknow why would they

Is this real hatred or is it for the bit?

If real, how come?

I'm not disagreeing or trying to change your mind, just curious!!

because i don’t like him? obviously? its not that crazy of a take i mean he literally hits jon when they’re dating for kinda no reason like i don’t get why people are always so confused about

Jmart shouldn't have become canon. it RUINED the fandom

i blocked the jmart tag and now theres NOTHING tma related on my dash..... tma fandom is all shipping and its ALL those bland faggots...... nothing else........

all the good artists make ooc jmart fanart and it looks so good technically but its painful to look at. They would not have fucking done that sorry not sorry. Get canon with it i beg of you

it’s all romance 💔💔 why is it all romance 💔💔💔

The TMA fandom being sooo jmart centric pisses me off.... yeah guys lets post about the cute romance thats in the horror fiction podcast fandom!!!!! Where's the fucking horror.

yayaya like guys the point of the podcast is the horror like we know that right 😨😨 like guys it’s a horror podcast not a romcom please 😨😨 guys guys please can you hear me 😨😨

Unpopular opinion: the worst thing about Martin are his fans, especially the ones who mis-characterize him

this is actually a very popular opinion for most people who can at the very least fathom the concept of hating martin. i also think it’s the wrong opinion.

People always like to complain about other fans because then they can cast blame onto some like nondescript entity and like a strawman of martin mischaracterizers so that they can ignore martins actual flaws as a character and ignore how much of a puppet he is as a character and how he flip flopped so limply yet extremely in s5 purely due to the actual writing

Martin was, in my opinion, kinda a bad character, but people don’t actually talk about that they cast the blame away from the writing and instead to the ghost of a concept of evil martin misunderstanders so that they can feel more intellectually superior in their own interpretations when the character can’t even really hold that much weight by himself without the people projecting onto him purely because of the way the writers clearly didn’t really understand where to truly go with him.

He was kind of a shell of a character by the end, just a distorted husk of his potential as a character, no more than a weird hypocritical confusion of ideas and ideals and motivations without real clear direction or purpose other than exposition and the idea of a romantic relationship with Jon and maybe some semblance of overinflated humanity he’s still getting snappy and overdefensive and territorial about ((because he thinks it makes him superior to Jon and everyone else)), but even that wasn’t really interesting 🙄

I admire your passion for hating Martin. May I ask at what point you went from dislike to pure hatred?

when i started actually trying to defend my ideas and then i realised there was actually evidence for what i was saying and he was bad in different and worse ways than just being annoying. i think it was when writing out my original post about mag172 ((the hitting jon event)) when i realised i was actually right in my takes and also justified

I LISTENED TO 173 AND 174 AND OH MY FUCKING GOD I'M SO DONE WITH THIS GUY. HOLY SHIT (pulling out the transcripts for this one)

HE CAN'T FUCKING DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT YOU DICK!!! he has told you this multiple times and calling him monstrous and essentially saying he's a terrible/shit person for not being able to do anything is fucking terrible and I think you should go die.

WHAT THE FUCK??? WHAT THE FUCK??? "Thank you fir not hitting me this time." AND YOU EXPECT ME TO BELIEVE AND BE COMPLACENT WITH THE LIE THAT THIS SHIP IS HEALTHY??? HOLY FUCKING SHIT

the bitterness in Jon's voice towards the end... oh my god. it's so fucking justified because your boyfriend is using you like a tool (which is what I have gathered from their relationship in s5, it's just martin using Jon - to be his personal little all-powerful murderer, to inform him of what's going on from time to time (when he isn't electing to instead ignore it like an idiot) - and then ignoring him and treating him awfully for the rest. god) but oh my god jon's voice at the end there fucking breaks me because he sounds so tired and done with Martin's bullshit (FOR ONCE) but he shouldn't have to be. I'm so sick of martin and his entire character I hate him so much.

also he's always so annoyed and exasperated with Jon but why? he seems to constantly be annoyed and sick of him and I don't understand- for the most part Jon's literally just either doing what Martin tells him to, does what he needs to do, or talking to martin in a way that is so fond and loving and martin DOES NOT deserve it at all.

^^ especially in MAG 174

what the fuck is wrong with you? maybe because he doesn't want to kill people? because (unlike you) his first and foremost wish isn't to cause harm and pain?

why does he want to be so controlling? one thing that really got me about this episode and this dialogue specifically is that martin sounds so much like those cliche toxic girlfriends in american media, the ones that are super controlling and insist you're cheating/go through your phone/cut you off from your friends because they don't trust you WHY DID THEY MAKE HIM SOUND LIKE THAT???? this is not a healthy relationship I'm so done how does the fandom see them in a positive light? how can they be so ignorant?

and finally:

man :( man I really thought we were gonna get an apology- or even just an acknowledgement of his behaviours!! (not that it'd matter; he wouldn't be able to compensate for all the shitty things he's managed to do in JUST 12 EPISODES) but I was kind of hopeful! but alas. no. he sees a chance to shift the blame onto someone else and he takes it as soon as he can with a "(small laugh)" (even though jon willingly taking it is obviously just cause of his incredibly poor self-worth (which martin is not helping btw))

I'm so pissed about this :( I'm so not happy with this :(( why would they do this?? genuinely what were they thinking when they wrote s5 martin? they made his entire character so... malicious. I hate it, and I hate him, thank you for coming to my ted talk. (I'm really scared/sad to continue because I really wanna finish the podcast but I don't like martin's character at all and listening to him makes me sick and it ruins the entire experience)

there’s nothing more for me to add to this tbh but you’re so right and i have no idea how the fandom has such a severe misunderstanding of jmart as a relationship at all

imma be so fr rn I'm pretty sure the reason Martin is so popular as a character is just because jmart is a canonical queer ship

yep 100% and also because he’s easy for “people pleasing” gay+trans+‘neurospicy🥺’ kinda ppl to project onto so they can be like “heh! well his self esteem issues are enough to discount any genuine flaws (because that’s what written into the podcast) so mine must be too! ☝️😎” so that’s like comforting to them and their learned self-victimhood or smth

He once slapped his boyfriend to get him out of his practically possessed state. That's not abuse ://

it was a completely unnecessary action and he absolutely didn’t NEED to hit him. he could’ve just as easily shaken him gently or even just waved a hand quick enough in his direction - we don’t know.

my point was that it’s weird that that was his immediate first thought when they had absolutely no time constraints ((because time doesn’t really exist there)) and there was no danger around to threaten him. my point is that that just isn’t a factor of a healthy relationship, especially when combined with the lack of apology or even real explanation or guilt from martin afterwards, without a conversation afterwards about it really whatsoever.

i just feel like it’s a weird choice to write in for a character like martin who’s meant to be sympathetic. it’s not like i can’t appreciate nuanced takes on gay relationships or something, it’s just that it’s a really weird choice to write into what’s supposed to be a relatively positive relationship.

it doesn’t feel like the behaviour of two people who love eachother, and i recognise the tense situation with the literal apocalypse because obviously im not going to ignore that, but it wasn’t a situation that required speed or panic or any quick, rash decisions. maybe even if this was portrayed as a hasty, panicked decision i could even understand, but martin isn’t worried at all really - he’s just bored. it wasn’t a careless mistake done from a lack of time to think, it was something that was completely unnecessary and then not apologised for whatsoever.

Jon’s little “wha- what-?” afterwards makes ME upset and im not even in the scene and i don’t love him and it’s also not my fault. martin is in the scene and he is supposed to love him ((well not really because they’re probably not at that stage in the relationship yet but like he’s supposed to feel something like that)) and it is also his fault, and yet there’s none of that regret or real apology or guilt that i would expect as somewhat of the bare minimum for what’s supposed to be the portrayal of a semi-healthy relationship despite their situation.

ultimately, i just feel like this isn’t something that would be ignored and forgiven so easily if it wasn’t a straight relationship, and wasn’t a character that so much of the fandom relates to.

if you have any follow up questions then please ask im happy to answer those too, sorry this response got kinda long and sorry i got kinda off topic!!

Okay so here’s the thing right:

I very much hate Martin as a character but only towards the later seasons mainly. I think that the man needs to pick a lane on whether to be evil or not. Like, first few seasons (namely 1 and 2) he’s… fine I guess. Y’know he doesn’t really do anything besides the worms I guess. But what really gets me is the fact that he manipulated ALL OF US. Not just Peter, or Elias, BUT THE OTHER ENTIRE FANDOM. And we still stick with the fake premise Martin has deceived us into believing!! Have we not heard about how Annabelle Cane wanted to make him Web? I mean he was literally perfect for the job too. Another thing is that Jon definitely did not deserve him. The were the last two assistants and Martin was the only one who didn’t absolutely hate Jon. They weren’t together because they loved each other, they were together because they thought they needed each other and in some very real way I believe they did. But trama bonding is not a real relationship nor is it a healthy one. Also, remember what I said about Martin and the Web? Well, have we forgotten that the Web HAS BEEN JON BIGGEST ENEMY SINCE HE WAS EIGHT??? Not only has his entire life up to Mag 200 been a concoction of lies, but so is his so called boyfriend. Martin is as evil as any of the other main villains, he’s just victimized because he had a different agenda than them. Martin also doesn’t love Jon as much as the fandom says because seriously he’s abusive! Martin slaps Jon to get him out of statements, y’know, the thing he needs to EAT?? He’s starving his boyfriend, abusing him when he does eat and then makes Jon feel bad when he does it again. Honestly, Jon would have been treated better if he had gotten with Jonah. At least then, he would be chastised for something HE CAN’T CONTROL.

Okay, I know this was long but I needed to rant. Thank you.

not sure i would call him as evil as the other main villains but like i can see where you’re coming from. also im not really a jon+jonah shipper but like lowkey you guys are some of my biggest allies in this fandom so i love you all in a way ‼️

May i just say that I respect you so much for your work? You do what others (like me) aren't brave enough to do.

I, too, am chronically a hater. I can barely join a fandom without finding a popular character that I will start absolutely despising.

When I first listened to TMA I was just neutral towards M, but the longer the podcast went on the more annoyed I got whenever he showed up. I mainly ship Jon eith Gerry now and although you may be an aro!Jon truther, we are still united in our hatred of Martin. And I think that is beautiful.

i do like the random censoring of martin’s name here. also appreciate how many jongerry fans are in my audience. i don’t know if im actually an aro!jon truther i think he’s something more sinister ((completely distanced from relationships because of his parents)) but that’s just my little headcannon. shout out to jongerry fans tho - he’s my sister’s fav because they’re both goth and she’s the one that got me into tma so like u can thank her as a concept for this entire blog 😋😋

Jmart's biggest problem isn't that it's toxic, it's the fact that the ship is BORING. Jon had more in common with the damn worm guy than with Martin. That man straight up refuses to see avatars as anything else than inhuman monsters ("They're, they're evil, plain and simple" <- forgot which ep this was) and so he continues to treat Jon as lesser than him and dismisses anything he might have to say. Exhausting to listen to. Beetle's comparison to a stereotypical controlling highschool girlfriend was on point.

The worst thing is it could've been interesting if explored correctly! But the narrative kept framing them as lovey dovey sweethearts! Oh yeah they shared and "I spy" joke once! They're so cute! Let's forget about everything else that happenned between them!

I didn't sign up for a season of having to put up with Martin's bullshit justifications for everything he does, while simultaneously shaming Jon for the same things, because he's less human.

it just feels like almost childish in his reasoning like it’s SO rudimentary that it just feels almost ooc? it’s like yaya cats are girls and dogs are boys and avatars are evil and humans are good yay!! 😸

I used to be a major fan of jmart, no longer. I completely see your view dude, it’s a shitty ship and Martin is the main cause, i do have to say it’s also just dumb cause it’s like we shouldn’t have to cling to the tiny little sliver of queer relationship (i do love wtg) in a HORROR podcast! It’s not a let’s all fall in love podcast it’s a horror! At I’ll be honest a mid horror at best! An intro!

The fandom has 1) made a shitty name for a shitty ship and 2) completely separated the ship for the source! The whole idea was horror and fear and all fanart you see is just ship art! (The majority)

As a trans man clinging onto a shitty fictional character and head cannoning them as trans and a small cuddly uwu baby only adds onto the misogyny and babying that trans man has to put up with. As much as i enjoy the source material Jonny and Alex needed to just say “hey these characters like all suck none of them are good people” cause the fandom is just such dick riders for Martin it’s insane!

Anyway i just hate the constant love and babying that the fandom has for Martin, he’s not a good person and the trans head cannoning is harmful and sucks.

Thanks for reading my rant :)

im not sure how much i agree with this but the sentiment is so real and i get where you’re coming from you’re so right about most of it