April 2025

If you don't like the source material at all then why are you even posting about it????

im evil and sinister and all i want in this world is to spread fire and hatred

((i like the statements 😸))

just finished my second relisten to tma and actually why is martin such a fucking bitch fr 😭 bro stands around doing nish for 3 seasons with a cup of tea then spends a season following peter like a fucking dumbass being a bitch to anyone thats not jon the whole damn show like godamn 😭 then hes walking the fucking apocalypse like 'jon fuck ur morals u should kill avatars thier monsters never mind that we are both avatars also im going to slap u and hold u accountable for starting the apocalypse so its ur job to fix it not like u were manipulated' 😭 liek damn bitch fuck off actually

yknow what someone had to say it good for you i lowkey love you for this. i do always appreciate when there are people who hate martin more intensely than me it really makes me feel vindicated and less radical

Martin would definitely read those abusive BL comics with heteronormative presenting characters and romanticize them

He'd also think Heartstopper is the pinnacle of queer rep

i kind of don’t agree with this headcannon but like whatever makes you hate martin is fine by me at least it’s something new to the fandom i can get behind it fr even if like it’s kinda not in my interpretation of his character at all ✊

i really do believe his character could’ve had so much more depth if he got lost to the Web instead of the Lonely. like the Web’s got spiders, that whole puppet/strings business, manipulation and lies which counter’s Jon’s seeking the truth so well. AND jon’s childhood spider story coming up and then he has to go home and kiss his spider boyfriend?? mmm conflict anf tension.

whereas the lonely’s just like ‘BOO depression!’ like okay? me too but that’s not scary that js makes me wanna lie down

anyways if anyone would understand the potential martian blackwood could’ve had it would maybe be you. or maybe you js really like being a hater which i can also respect.

yknow what i don’t typically agree with the people saying he could be sexy if he was evil but like lowkey if he was away from and utterly unconnected from jon and the fandom was less annoying there’s maybe a possibility he could be sexy if he turned evil. i cant explain why rn because im sleepy but tbh like i don’t actually like web martin. i think he should’ve become a different avatar. no idea what tho

Martin seems like the kind of guy to weaponize his depression like " if you broke up with me I don't know what id do to myself......"

this is like basically canon to me tbh. he learned it from his mother

i firmly believe we should have had more sasha over martin

tbh i so agree. i know nothing about sasha really because we’re not told anything about sasha really and yet she’s still a more appealing character than martin. also i want more women

If you don't like TMA that much why are you doing this blog? Isn't that kind of a waste of your precious time on this Earth or some shit? I mean, hey, do whatever makes you happy and stuff, but why engage with something that pisses you off when you can just- live and let live?

no im evil.i want destruction and strife and wildfires on this earth.

It's always nice to see someone that agrees with my hater habits. Martin sucks.

By all Laws of Logic I should like him and relate to him, but I just don't. I, too, am a fat incompetent Mess of a Person, but...I've never enjoyed it when he showed up in the podcast. Ever.

If anything I relate to Jon.

But Martin just keeps showing up and aside from being held hostage by worms he doesn't actually do anything interesting until the he and Jon get together (eugh). And I hate how he treats Jon in the final season: he judges him for taking statements (eating) but at the same time wants him to kill other avatars. I was alright with him existing until then, but that was just soooo annoying to me that I didn't even finish the season.

And the fandom didn't make it any better! Stop always pushing him in the center of attention for everything!

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Martin is the type of guy to get very mad when someone wears something made with real animal fur and he would think of himself as being very eco-friendly but then he'd wear those shitty faux fur coats that fall apart after a month and then constantly replace them

ugh that so suits his pretentious hypocrisy </3

that bitch LOVES microplastics fr 🤤🤤

Honestly you're valid af. I don't hate Martin but he annoys me and then the fandom put him everywhere and that makes me hate him.

you’re so real actually it’s so easily to be like forcefully radicalised by the broader fandom esp if you don’t find your own little niche

It's actually crazy that you're getting jumped so much for having an opinion

I mean, its kinda obvious that in a fandom with a large amount of people in it not everyone will think the same way. And not only that, you also have logical arguments to support your stance instead of just hatred towards the character!!! Very rare these days!!!!

And yet people are constantly yelling at you, like little kids losing an argument. They can't just like the character themselves, they also have to force that opinion on everyone else and act like there is only one valid way to perceive the character.

(Its very tiktok behaviour of them yk. Baby's first fandom. "Everything is about me". Sometimes you just gotta go "ah, i completely disagree with this stranger on the internet! Well, time to block them.")

Tbh i feel like those people are all martin kinnies because i think he would do that. Just absolutely resent everyone who dares to think differently than him.

Also im glad you liked my stance on jmart shippers that i sent you a while back xx

people do get a little defensive at times and it’s like… woah babe 😨😨 only talking about the character here 😨😨 it’s because martin’s a character that can so easily be projected onto by people that think they’re like morally superior for who they kin and then they get defensive because they think im attacking them personally and it’s like noooo im not i promise ‼️

After listening to TMA season 5 I get where you’re coming from. I was sympathetic to Martin right up to season 4 but, I hated him hitting Jon. The final straw was quite petty. Martin hating Oolong tea is simply the straw that broke the camels back

yknow what good for you actually. never had it but like lowkey ily for this whatever works for you 💞

Okay so here’s the thing right:

I very much hate Martin as a character but only towards the later seasons mainly. I think that the man needs to pick a lane on whether to be evil or not. Like, first few seasons (namely 1 and 2) he’s… fine I guess. Y’know he doesn’t really do anything besides the worms I guess. But what really gets me is the fact that he manipulated ALL OF US. Not just Peter, or Elias, BUT THE OTHER ENTIRE FANDOM. And we still stick with the fake premise Martin has deceived us into believing!! Have we not heard about how Annabelle Cane wanted to make him Web? I mean he was literally perfect for the job too. Another thing is that Jon definitely did not deserve him. The were the last two assistants and Martin was the only one who didn’t absolutely hate Jon. They weren’t together because they loved each other, they were together because they thought they needed each other and in some very real way I believe they did. But trama bonding is not a real relationship nor is it a healthy one. Also, remember what I said about Martin and the Web? Well, have we forgotten that the Web HAS BEEN JON BIGGEST ENEMY SINCE HE WAS EIGHT??? Not only has his entire life up to Mag 200 been a concoction of lies, but so is his so called boyfriend. Martin is as evil as any of the other main villains, he’s just victimized because he had a different agenda than them. Martin also doesn’t love Jon as much as the fandom says because seriously he’s abusive! Martin slaps Jon to get him out of statements, y’know, the thing he needs to EAT?? He’s starving his boyfriend, abusing him when he does eat and then makes Jon feel bad when he does it again. Honestly, Jon would have been treated better if he had gotten with Jonah. At least then, he would be chastised for something HE CAN’T CONTROL.

Okay, I know this was long but I needed to rant. Thank you.

not sure i would call him as evil as the other main villains but like i can see where you’re coming from. also im not really a jon+jonah shipper but like lowkey you guys are some of my biggest allies in this fandom so i love you all in a way ‼️

hoky fuck i hate martin so much me and my friend just relistend to tma NEITHER OF US CAN STAND HIMMMM oh my god he wasnt even endearing when i was 14 in 2020 or wheneverr the fuck it was LIKE. Omg i really like tim and sasha and early seasons jon but jonny seems like he struggles writing women for some reason so basira and co are just. Haranguing jon on the daily. melanies arc makes no fucking sense i want to like her but "i dont want to be controlled"->(yells at jon for removing the ghost bullet) makes no damn sense. daisys arc is dead in the water. georgie and basira functionally doing the same thing. and martin on top of it all. holy shit he is such a cunt for no reason. this is not "poor downtrodden man fights back". He is deceiving you like a poisonous mushroom he is an eel with a gun. also that time jon yelled at him about his CV so loud the tape recorder spiked was really fucked up what ws that

omg i do wanna hear more abt your (or anyone else’s) take on the portrayal of women in the fandom‼️

to come to the defense of melanie here to be fair her wanting to have control of the situation isn’t exactly like at odds with not wanting an impromptu surgery without her consent while she’s asleep. like to be fair those two ideals do align somewhat. also im just happy to get ANY Slaughter rep because i feel like it’s such an underrated fear 🙏

May i just say that I respect you so much for your work? You do what others (like me) aren't brave enough to do.

I, too, am chronically a hater. I can barely join a fandom without finding a popular character that I will start absolutely despising.

When I first listened to TMA I was just neutral towards M, but the longer the podcast went on the more annoyed I got whenever he showed up. I mainly ship Jon eith Gerry now and although you may be an aro!Jon truther, we are still united in our hatred of Martin. And I think that is beautiful.

i do like the random censoring of martin’s name here. also appreciate how many jongerry fans are in my audience. i don’t know if im actually an aro!jon truther i think he’s something more sinister ((completely distanced from relationships because of his parents)) but that’s just my little headcannon. shout out to jongerry fans tho - he’s my sister’s fav because they’re both goth and she’s the one that got me into tma so like u can thank her as a concept for this entire blog 😋😋

martin blackwood the type of guy to say “for me!?” at his birthday party that was not a surprise

im so enchanted by this random hate-filled headcannons. like how do you even come up with something like this it’s such a niche thing to hate on

((good for you tho))

You answered an anon about jongerrymartin some time ago, and it made me think about the ship for a moment.

First of all, i absolutely CANNOT picture them getting together. With jongerry it kind of makes sense? - you have jon meeting book-gerry and they seem to kinda get on, and you can muster up something based on that encounter like AUs itd. I mean, as scarce as their interactions are, you have a pretty solid foundation and you can just make up the rest as you go. But i can't imagine where martin would fit in that. I cannot imagine him just... stumbling upon gerry.

But let's put their imaginary first meeting aside for a moment. Both gerry and martin had a complicated and frankly unhealthy relationship with their mothers, and i've seen a lot of people (shippers) making their bond revolve around that. Which is nice! Woohoo parallels!

And yet the ship between jon, gerry and martin just does not make sense from a canon viewpoint. And by that i mean the characters' personalities makes it impossible to work out. Or, to be honest, just martin's personality. That man is insanely jealous of everyone that dares to be near jon, and i dont mean it in a "silly quirky" way.

If they ever were to become a throuple (like in a completely detached from the canon setting) i feel like they would get on fairly well at first, but if they were to start displaying affection to eachother in a different way than simply friendly, martin would immediately become jealous and then just take apart their relationship with gerry piece by piece until only him and jon are in the equation.

(Honestly that's more about season 5 martin. If it were the earlier seasons martin, he would probably do the opposite thing and slowly remove himself from the relationship, because "they don't need him anyway" and "he's just happy to br around and help" and "he wouldn't want to get in the way of jon's happiness" etc.)

This got kinda long and im sorry. My main point is, as usual, that i am upset by the mischaracterization/misunderstanding of martin that's so popularized by fanon. I honestly feel like i could like him! Maybe even relate to him in a way! But because of the way he's presented by fandom, upon hearing the name martin every tma fan goes "aw hes the cute gay one! The guy thats a big softie but has an unexpected dangerous side! Yess king stand up for yourself!! Don't let them treat you like shit!!" And dear lord it's so shallow. He's more than that. His actions have reasons, and they are not always "good" reasons either!! Like jon smashing the fucking table and freeing the notThem - nobody's saying that it was a smart move!! Let him make mistakes i beg of you!

As im typing this I realized that most people who do that are the same people who relate to him, and it struck me that perhaps they reduce and compress martin's character to just make him into the traits they see themselves as, (i mean: shy, people pleaser, bad-relationship-with-mother, likes tea, big crush on someone who doesn't notice him - you know, those traits that could apply to basically anybody and ESPECIALLY to insecure teenagers - the main demographic) and then they fill the rest with their own personality traits.

Imo in order to properly judge a character it's important to step aside for a moment and consider them from another POV.

I feel like ive done way too many "overly-long-rant-regarding-fanon-martin" asks and that im starting to repeat myself like a scratched CD. Im gonna have to cook up something about jon as well. AND his relationship with georgie.

people do seem to pick and choose what qualities they want to even think about when writing/observing martin in any way. obviously this is natural and makes sense with any character because people are going to focus most on what they’re biased towards for a myriad of reasons, but it’s CRAZY w martin fans ive noticed. which isn’t necessarily a bad thing but also likeeee it does make for a less diverse experience, especially when most of the fans seem to focus on the same kinda things so some qualities get severely overlooked and this lowkey makes for a far less interesting character.

my point is that this is extra prevalent in shipping, especially with more like weird ships like this that are particularly unsupported in canon, and it’s lead to somewhat of a weird like mass delusion almost ((obviously a hyperbole)) in terms of his character, where people are - as you said - pretty much just turning him almost into a self-insert. ive probably got more to say but not rn sorry im gonna go check if my waffles r done cooking

Web martin could've been wonderful. It could've even covered the lonely aspect, like something about spinning your own private cocoon and having to work alone because you can't really build satisfying relationships with people based on lies.

But instead they threw that bitch in the fog and left him to mope - the very same thing that jon was denied. Ohh so martin gets to sacrifice himself for others and its so noble and appreciated but when jon does it its suddenly bad and selfish?? Bffr both of their stances weren't good, AND both can be justified or at least explained but why does only martin get away with it?

i don’t personally like webmartin because i don’t really like any martin but yall are either the worst or the best parts of the fandom and i appreciate the diversity. you’re so right about the web covering the lonely and that just draws back to my previous ideas that The Lonely SUCKS as a fear ‼️

Martin Blackwood would make cringy callout posts like:

"Tumblr user 78767616197191901 liked something I do not agree with, BURN THEM AT THE STAKE.''

i love you but you’re kinda wrong here but i love this idea of him anyway xoxo also this is lowkey almost something i would do so i can’t even hate that hard

Love that you make evil headcanons for Martin. And people get so pressed about them for no reason 😭😭 like if you don't like a take and you know that its not actually canon, then getting mad about it is pointless. AND it still gives notes to the very same post which you so ferociously dislike

at least we as a fandom are united in making mischaracterising headcannons. even if mine are evil.

Almost every fan piece of media depicting Martin is just blatant mischaracterization that either puts him in the role of "sweet shy cinnamon roll" or "hot sexy guy smiting his opps". And they always without fail romanticize or downplay his flaws.

I think it's mainly cause so many young fans find him relatable, and thus they have warped him so that he would fit into a versatile stereotype, which is AWFUL.

You can like a character just because, but in order to really understand them you have to step away from your own carefully created version for a moment. I love Jon and am in full support of any criticism on the man, he deserves it! Let people hate Martin!!! It's good and constructive!!

It pisses me off so much that his fans don't allow others to hate on him. Its always "wait but whyyy?? Why would you hate my sweetie??? :((((" they cannot comprehend nuanced characters they're always watered down

people have SUCH an immediate kneejerk reaction to even the concept of someone disliking martin like they literally cannot fathom it and it’s like ?? he’s not even that likable of a character like im not being that radical here 😓

Jmart's biggest problem isn't that it's toxic, it's the fact that the ship is BORING. Jon had more in common with the damn worm guy than with Martin. That man straight up refuses to see avatars as anything else than inhuman monsters ("They're, they're evil, plain and simple" <- forgot which ep this was) and so he continues to treat Jon as lesser than him and dismisses anything he might have to say. Exhausting to listen to. Beetle's comparison to a stereotypical controlling highschool girlfriend was on point.

The worst thing is it could've been interesting if explored correctly! But the narrative kept framing them as lovey dovey sweethearts! Oh yeah they shared and "I spy" joke once! They're so cute! Let's forget about everything else that happenned between them!

I didn't sign up for a season of having to put up with Martin's bullshit justifications for everything he does, while simultaneously shaming Jon for the same things, because he's less human.

it just feels like almost childish in his reasoning like it’s SO rudimentary that it just feels almost ooc? it’s like yaya cats are girls and dogs are boys and avatars are evil and humans are good yay!! 😸

I used to be a major fan of jmart, no longer. I completely see your view dude, it’s a shitty ship and Martin is the main cause, i do have to say it’s also just dumb cause it’s like we shouldn’t have to cling to the tiny little sliver of queer relationship (i do love wtg) in a HORROR podcast! It’s not a let’s all fall in love podcast it’s a horror! At I’ll be honest a mid horror at best! An intro!

The fandom has 1) made a shitty name for a shitty ship and 2) completely separated the ship for the source! The whole idea was horror and fear and all fanart you see is just ship art! (The majority)

As a trans man clinging onto a shitty fictional character and head cannoning them as trans and a small cuddly uwu baby only adds onto the misogyny and babying that trans man has to put up with. As much as i enjoy the source material Jonny and Alex needed to just say “hey these characters like all suck none of them are good people” cause the fandom is just such dick riders for Martin it’s insane!

Anyway i just hate the constant love and babying that the fandom has for Martin, he’s not a good person and the trans head cannoning is harmful and sucks.

Thanks for reading my rant :)

im not sure how much i agree with this but the sentiment is so real and i get where you’re coming from you’re so right about most of it

I enjoy TMA for the statements and the world building. I don't really like any of the characters, and around season 4 I think I started to actively hate all of the characters. I get that it was a stressful and fucked up situation for everyone but GODS they were all complete and utter hypocritical assholes. My favorite characters from the podcast are the background characters, probably because I didn't have to hear them speak as much (Agnes my beloved)

you’re so real for that tbh that’s why jane’s my fav 😸😸

This blog has made me realise I only like Martin when he written in the context of polyarchives (WITH sasha, people who don't include her are cowards) like, I already dislike Basira for how she treats both Jon and Daisy, and you've reminded me Martin does the SAME FUCKING THING AS HER!!! WHY DIDNT I REALISE THIS EARLIER????? (It's because the fandom ignores that and I forgor)

ill be so real w you like people not including sasha in that kinda thing lowkey just feels like misogyny to me most of the time

was there at any point in the podcast you liked martin as a character? i hate the mischaracterization of him as a "soft, adorable guy" but i feel like the first few appearances of him were his most likeable. it got worse from there

i liked him my first (and only) listen to the whole podcast

I find it kinda hilarious that one of the tags used by the martinblackwoodhaterhater account is #martinblackwoodsupport, yet all they ever say under that tag is that they want you to die. I don't think this is doing much in the way of supporting martin.

omg i never looked that closely whattt 💀💀 like he’s some dying soldier they gotta rush in to save instead of some fictional loser 🙄

how do you feel about how Martin is portrayrf through rp blogs? There's been one I've seen recently (granted I think him and the jon mod are together) but it's so ooc. no he would not be doing all that girl.

people are welcome to do what they please but this is an instance where they need to do it AWAY from me please ‼️

What’s worse, misogyny or misandry

do i get any context for this or is it just that me being martinblackwoodhater qualifies me to answer anything. for the record i don’t think either of those things are very good i think theyre both only good for causing division and furthering eachother in a kinda primary school like “boys have cooties ☝️☝️ girls have cooties ☝️” kinda way. im sorry i don’t actually know what you want from me here. i can only assume you’re asking martinblackwoodhater for some martin blackwood opinion and if you want that then i just don’t think martin would be either a misandrist or a misogynist really. i could see the misogyny potential in him but it would be minor i feel. please what do you want here.