I thought yall said Martin was a caring and compassionate partner to Jon. Ok so what’s this then. Where’s the kindness and compassion. Did he not have even an ounce of empathy to spare
But noo guys it’s okay cause it was implied that they kissed right after!! The only parts that count are the few explicitly romantic gestures right???
totally fucking crazy that canon spelled it out this explicitly and then was like noooooooo lmao no no no no uhhh we didn’t mean it ha ha ha welcome to s5 guys!!! yes martin you are my reason ha ha ha :)
I feel like the main difference between “Jon and Basira drug Melanie and cut the slaughter bullet out of her” and “Martin hits Jon” is that cutting an evil ghost bullet out of someone is par for the course in horror media while hitting your partner is never ok real life or fiction
yeah like no-ones actually ever had a mood-altering ghost bullet unconsentually cut out of their leg, but unfortunately people are actually hit by their partners in real life. also i think a major problem of mine more lies in the different levels of severity that each act is given in the writing, and wether it’s actually portrayed to be bad or not
thank you so much for the question, I love being a hater and I love when I can explain why I hate something
so there are layer to why I hate the serial divorcees joke. it’s a harmless joke but it does get repeated constantly. everywhere. not only am I sick of it but also I do believe it influences the way people write their dynamic. in those jokes Elias is always the one asking for divorce for any small reason, acting “emotional”. I don’t think I need to explain why that’s not really a good thing when combined with the common stereotype of Elias being a flamboyant gay (another ooc fanon that I am sick of). there is also an aspect of how the villains can’t be in a loving relationship, they are in a pantomime of one, a joke of a relationship
I also don’t think either Peter or Elias would waste their time on something like that. I can’t imagine they care for each other like that. I don’t think Elias likes anyone other than himself (and even when it comes to Jon, what he likes about him is their common traits and he gets irritated when Jon doesn’t fall into his neat plan). I also personally believe a miserable loveless marriage would feed the Foresaken more than constant divorces. take it as you will
I also think marriage is too big of a commitment for either of them and they don’t like each other enough for it. I imagine them having an affair like. twenty years pre canon. and then it inevitably soured once they got bored of each other. also they’d both have to be very careful around each other, Peter as a creature of the Lonely doesn’t want to be seen and Elias is actually an incredibly lonely person so he’d have to be careful to not become food for the Foresaken
I like lonelyeyes but only a very specific version of them that exists in my head when I forget about the fanon
Oh my god it’s been years why is this fandom repeating itself why are you still reheating jokes and things that have been told a million times already. Yes I get it Dev Patel is fancast Jon and Harvey Guillen is fancast Martin. Haha omg guysss this podcast has scary doors haha we are shipping a door and a book it’s hilariousss the people outside this fandom think we’re degenerates. The NotThem is racist bc I headcanon Sasha as black and the NotThem as white. Jurgen Leitner stupid idiot motherfucking Jurgen Leitner amirite. Jon has negative rizz my sopping wet kitten old man he’s such a paranoid dumbass why is he so mean to my sweetie Martin. My beloved Martin deserves a gun he deserves to kill everyone who’s ever been mean to him. For the love of god can you think of something different. It’s not even about repeating things that are in the podcast you guys are endlessly parroting fanmade content too. If you have nothing to say then just don’t say anything it’s okay
I remember the first time I heard MAG 169 Fire Escape was the first time I really stopped and thought "wow Martin is kind of a dick". And then I began to notice all the other things about him - the controlling behaviour, the black and white mentality, the selfishness, the way he's clearly using Jon's power to get what he (and only he) wants out of this eyepocalypse. The list goes on.
Anyway, my point was that I didn't realize just how toxic the jmart relationship was until Jon offered Martin the choice in 169 - to go into the burning building after Jude Perry, or not. Until that point, Martin, a character who has repeatedly made the choice to be passive in their decisions, throws a tantrum about going in the building. And Jon offers him the choice not to, and agrees to abide by his decision. The moment Jon shows Martin that respect, Martin throws it away. "That's not a fair decision to put on me."
Bitch please, YOU were the one throwing the tantrum! And when Jon responds by respecting your wishes, you're going to actively reject that!
It gets even worse in MAG 173 Night Night. Martin throws another tantrum.
Jon: I don’t know what you want me to do. Martin: I want you to use your power. I want you to help them; I want you to make things better! Jon: There is no better anymore. Martin: (increasing in volume, emotion) You keep – saying that, and I hate it! Jon: (also giving in to the argument) I keep saying it because it keeps being true; you know that! Martin: What I know, is that leaving children here is – (struggles for words) i-it’s inexcusable; it’s monstrous! Jon: (overlapping, firm) Martin. Tell me what you want me to do, and I will do it!
yikes. just yikes.
sorry this isn't really an ask, more of a vent. but you seem like the kind of person I could vent anti-martin sentiments at.
ugh i knowww, and like admittedly im not sure id be MUCH better in an apocalypse so like ill give him some degree of grace but it just really stands out to make him more unlikable when none of the other characters are that whiney.
i think it’s a combination of the fact that he clearly just can’t accept the situation and, and therefore complains about everything, and also the fact that he’s unable to actually do anything whatsoever, that just makes him so irritating this season. he just so clearly doesnt actually know what he wants. and, like, to be fair, it’s not entirely his fault because he’s in an impossible situation where all he can do is walk for ages and witness all this suffering, but him just yabbering on and complaining while doing nothing about any of the problems he’s talking about (because he can’t) just serves to make him sound incredibly whiney. Like if he’s meant to be a “suffering in silence” Lonely avatar then why won’t he shut the hell up for once
swear there’s only like 2 micheals that play any important role in the podcast. and one of them is called mike. i suppose there’s more if you count distortion micheal as another micheal but like i feel like that’s still the same micheal. and mikaele salesa is not only pronounced differently but also always called by either his full name or his last name so i don’t really count him either. there just arent that many micheals guys what are we all complaining about. gerry’s dad is maybe mentioned twice.
Season 5 Martim should've died actually. Its the only solution to making him likeable that doesn't involve rewriting him completely.
That man is living in a delicate isolated bubble of his own creatuon and gets verbally violent any time you try to give him a taste of reality. Listening to his conversations with Jon was painful. He has a terribly limited understanding of the world around him, and he reminds me of a particularly spoiled child. I know he had a hard childhood yadda yadda but that is an explanation. Not an excuse. And nothing can excuse him being a huge CUNT!
i love all of this except for the first part tbh. i think there is nothing redeeming or likeable about the act of dying in and of itself and also that would make all the kinnies about 30x more insufferable. although if he just kinda pissed off and disappeared and no-one bought it up again I’d be pretty chuffed about that
