raven-foul:
And also why did they even make the watcher’s call a thing. First of all it isn’t even ever called that anywhere (as far as I know) it’s just listed as that on the wiki (but I’m not complaining because of course I think it’s apt). But more importantly WHY did they give us something so juicy just to NEVER USE IT AGAIN…a WASTE of one of the top ten sexiest je moments. “Suffice it to say I called you” still makes me scream !!
Why not use s5’s setup to make jonah watcher’s call jon one more time to lead him back to the panopticon? It would’ve been so tasty…imagine getting led into the mouth of the beast by your eldritch terror boyfriend and the only way to get through is to trust in the magic eye power connection said boyfriend had with his evil boss…
I consider this literally a tease…
i wish s5 had been so much more je-wise and it kills me because i know it couldve been….like ok we’re gonna end s4 on such a high note (possibly a delusional take but what’s better than this manipulating mansplaining and manwhoring) but then elias isn’t even gonna hover ominously over the narrative? like sure they mention him a couple of times because obviously they’re on their way to kill him but most of the time it’s just jm horrorpocalypse roadtripping. and what they DID give us was pretty interesting actually! all the anger jon has towards elias, all the times he corrects people and says he’s not elias he’s jonah magnus but stumbling when he needs to say “i was the catalyst…elias–jonah magnus used me”, telling martin he’s going to confront him even though he doesn’t know if he’s capable of it (but he won’t hesitate!) but showing up to the panopticon just for martin to immediately clock him as envious instead of terrified…whew it really could’ve been something i swear
‘the eye can’t see inside itself’ being the reason why jon couldn’t sense elias throughout most of s5 is a valid one considering elias had become the eye’s “pupil” at that point but there’s also no reason why elias couldn’t have been looking at jon the whole time. like senseless and overloaded with the infinite flood of knowledge is all well and sexy but you expect me to believe that even though all that he wouldn’t still be looking at his archivist? on a subconscious level even i just believe that he would’ve turned his gaze to the one person that had his attention all this time. and jon should’ve felt the heavy weight of his gaze (if not the watcher’s call itself) all the way up to the panopticon!! he said the time of OUR victory is here!! he said you’ll get used to in the world that WE have made!! they made themselves for each other!!!!
corvuspanoptes:
elias-rights:
elias-rights:
The paranoia. The determination to apply rationality to something unknowable. The need to know. Them drinking their coffee the same way. Them keeping bones in their offices. Pushing away their connections. The way they instinctively get what the other is saying. The fear of being puppeteered around. Them being both nerds and old men at heart. The fact that their names are similar. And it was all unintentional.
This is genuinely insane. I’m 90% sure I remember Ben Meredith saying his Elias voice is a copy of Jon’s but more smug. You know this. You make Jon speak as Elias/Jonah for your grand season finale. You do nothing with this. I’m biting.
season 4 Q&A part 2:
JONNY: It was actually- it was actually incredibly simple. Uh, because Ben once confided in me that his Elias voice had originally just been based on my Archivist voice just making it a bit more smug.
i think its so funny how jm fans won with 159 but for je fans its all about 158. because sure the canon interpretation of “jon leapt into the lonely no preparations and ignoring all of elias’ red flags because he wanted to save martin so badly” is true but like… i think it speaks to some unspoken connection between him and elias that he sees such a blatant trap and decides to not even think about the threat that elias has CONSTANTLY posed just to walk right into his manipulations. like hold me back from screenshotting their whole last conversation because it’s all like
elias: (something ominous that betrays both his pride in jon and also a surprising nonchalance over what should be a very threatening situation for him)
jon: ok right so yeah. yes. i’ll do it
itchyeye:
sorry. sorry! i know it’s been said. but how is it possible to write two characters who are so deeply connected to one another. across lifetimes, over oceans of time… you never wanted this, no. but I’m afraid you absolutely did choose it. in a hundred ways, at a hundred thresholds, you pressed on. you sought knowledge relentlessly, and you always chose to see… how you turn my world, you precious thing, you starve and near exhaust me, everything i’ve done i’ve done for you… it does tickle me, that in this world of would-be occult dynasties and ageless monsters, the chosen one is simply that – someone I chose. it’s not in your blood, or your soul, or your destiny. it’s just in your own, rotten luck… with all my knowledge and intrusion i could never entirely predict you. i can feed the caterpillar and i can whisper through the chrysalis, but… what hatches, follows its own nature and is beyond me… you’ll come to love it here, in this world that we’ve created… and you do this over the course of almost six years. over two hundred episodes. by accident.
