I feel like sometimes Jon goes to Elias with his more self destructive wants because he’s less likely to say no. Fortunately/unfortunately, a lot of them hell still refuse if they won’t do what he wants for Jon either as an avatar or as Jon any good. But like his unhealthy coping mechanisms he doesn’t have any problem with indulging. Anyways what I’m saying is sometimes they have really batshit unsafe and horribly negotiated sex because Jons feeling self destructive and Elias would rather hurt him than him hurt himself, because then he can control how much. They have the worst bdsm etiquette known to man. The aftercare exists but it’s Unhealthy and full of manipulation. Jon refuses to safe word most of the time. Elias will push him past his limits on purpose if he wants to for whatever reason, if he thinks it would be interesting or good for his development. It’s so so bad and Jon can never stay away from it. They’re so god awful at it please never be like them.