2025-09-11 14:29:58 ¶ ● ⬈

ceaseless-tosser:

> so maybe im just a sociopath but the way people are polarized about the burning building thing always baffled me.

> Like Jon told him where they were going, Martin expressed why he didn’t want to go, Jon gave Martin the option not to go, Martin insisted that it was Jon’s choice, Jon made a choice.

> I can KINDA see how this could be framed as a bad moment for them? Like i guess Martin was making it Jon’s responsibility in the hopes he’d pick him over Jude, and was disappointed when he didnt. and I GUESS it speaks to Jon’s arrogance that he assumed Martin giving him that decision meant that he was no longer harmed by it.

> But also like. on the face of things– this was the only time they actually communicated rationally? Like they both said what they wanted, and made a decision of what to do. Just because it was worse on Martin than Jon realized or Martin was insensitive about burn scars isn’t actually the end of the world.

> Maybe so far as making it work in the literal hell dimension that was actually a productive conversation.

> …anyway did anyone else notice that Martin got lost in the lonely like. immediately after. what was up with that

i really feel like people in the tma fandom sometimes lose their grip between fanfiction and source, because I do like when that situation is exaggerated in fanfiction, its great angst potential, but I reality its their best moment like, all of the apocalypse. The rest of s5 is just argument after argument and pushing Jon and Jon being avoidant in response and perceptions are so skewed sometimes!! Like yes its great to have in fanfiction, toxic doomed yaoi for the win, but not EVERYTHING is solely good or solely bad with them